Just quoting that so that I can reference when you go on your next inevitable Hate-A-Thon.
- M4H
Just quoting that so that I can reference when you go on your next inevitable Hate-A-Thon.
- M4H
M4H, I don't hate you, but your rampant and repeated attacks against me are indicative of your hate towards me.
Yeah, but being an a$$hole is offensive to everyone.
Steer clear of foolish discussions that lead people into the sin of anger with each other.
-- Paul, 2 Timothy 2:16
<-- Showed up in the last major religious flame war here. Good advice. Too few follow it.
-- Jack
"Silly, there is no sun. That's the Holy Maglite of God. The bodies of the Nonbelievers are used to fuel its Everlasting Flame."
"I shall from this point forward refer to fat chicks as simply 'D cells.' "
-- MercenaryForHire & iwearnosox, ATOT
I didn't realize feeling strongly about one's beliefs and expressing them accordingly was considered "being an @$$hole". I guess I shouldn't have any opinions since they offend you
There's simply no need for all the personal attacks and mockery in this thread. It's absolutely uncalled for. The worst thing I've done in return is to name pagans for what they are. I realize this is a sensitive subject but if you can't refrain from ridiculing people and trying your hardest to offend them on the deepest level, perhaps you should reconsider your participation in said discussion.
You can believe anything you want to, and ppl don't really care around here. You can have your "magic ppl in the sky", your faries, your Yeshua and G-d, you can even say you worship the eggplants growing in your garden and ppl around here aren't liable to do more than raise an eyebrow.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
I didn't realize feeling strongly about one's beliefs and expressing them accordingly was considered "being an @$$hole". I guess I shouldn't have any opinions since they offend youYou pagans live by the double standard of ridiculing my beliefs but the second I mention my opinion it's "you're an @$$hole! you worship imaginary beings in the sky! you're an idiot! yuo are teh sux0r!!!" Apply the same principles to yourself as you apply to others and maybe there won't be so much disagreement... I realize no one's perfect (with the exception of Yeshua and G-d) nor have I ever claimed to be so I don't expect perfection from anyone - I do, however, expect a small amount of respect for my beliefs. You're all so fond of being "open-minded" and accepting of varying religious beliefs with the exception of literal-Biblical Christianity.
There's simply no need for all the personal attacks and mockery in this thread. It's absolutely uncalled for. The worst thing I've done in return is to name pagans for what they are. I realize this is a sensitive subject but if you can't refrain from ridiculing people and trying your hardest to offend them on the deepest level, perhaps you should reconsider your participation in said discussion.
The whole problem arises when you start condemning us for our opinions based on your religious beliefs. We're pagans in your eyes. You're an @$$hole in ours. I have no problem with you saying you worship at the feet of Yeshua and that the stickers that started this thread offend you. Great, you have the right to take offence at other ppl and tell them that. Where I disagree is when you start telling me I'll burn in your hell for this. Frankly, it's your hell, you burn in it! Neither I nor a huge proportion of this thread want to hear that. You don't want us telling you off and insulting you, fine, stop condeming and inflicting your belief structure on us. Stop ridiculing our lack of belief in your deity, and perhaps we'll let it go that you're so high and mighty about the fact that you do believe. ATOT is just another classic example of mob rule.
Having opinions is one thing. Voicing them is another. Trying to foist them upon (unwilling) others is a whole other story. Look at HotChic's post way the hell back on the second page. She was christian and insulted, same as you. But it's you who's getting dumped on because it's you who tried to force this upon others by stating we're all going to burn in your hell for this. Now I realize you've been here at most seven months, but surely you'll have realized that ppl don't take kindly to being told what to think around here. ESPECIALLY when it comes to religious matters.
Not believing in your deity does not make others any different than you. You don't believe in Durga, Lakshmi, Sarasvati, Vishnu, or Shiva. Now I don't know the Hindu equivalent of pagan, but you're it. As far as they're concerned you're liable to come back here as a plant next incarnation. You believe in less deities than they do, and the athiests believe in one less deity than you. All for the same reason. And not a single, sorry one of us here can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone else that they are right
If your priests are correct, then I am already thoroughly damned and you can save your breath!
-- Jack
You can believe anything you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.
-- Solomon Short
Nothing makes one so vain as being told one is a sinner.
-- Oscar Wilde
I certainly didn't say it proved anything, I just speculated that it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of something.You say repetition proves nothing but then you say I'm trying to hide something because I've repeated myself? Good "God" man, I think you are qualified to write the second version of the Bible, with contradictions and all.
I'll let those statements stand for themselves. Two parties are arguing about the unprovable existence of Tinkerbell and the third one is rationally pointing out that they are both fools and should just shut up and move on.Like I said, trying to be a neutral party in this arguement makes you look even worse than the "sky fairy believing psychopaths." Let's take a step back and see how you look with your arguements:
Me: There is no such thing as Tinkerbell.
Tinkerbell Believers: Yes, there is. There was a book written about Tinkerbell and all her magic. She can even sprinkle pixie dust on you and make you fly. You just have to believe.
Jzero: You guys are both dumb. You each have a side you strongly believe in and there is no reason to mock the other side.
I only see one sane person in that dialog, and it isn't TB or JZ.
Which one is insane again?
People like you can never see themselves for what they are, and when someone like me holds up the mirror, they just hide. Get your head out of the sand and stop trolling -- both of you.
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
You can believe anything you want to, and ppl don't really care around here. You can have your "magic ppl in the sky", your faries, your Yeshua and G-d, you can even say you worship the eggplants growing in your garden and ppl around here aren't liable to do more than raise an eyebrow.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
I didn't realize feeling strongly about one's beliefs and expressing them accordingly was considered "being an @$$hole". I guess I shouldn't have any opinions since they offend youYou pagans live by the double standard of ridiculing my beliefs but the second I mention my opinion it's "you're an @$$hole! you worship imaginary beings in the sky! you're an idiot! yuo are teh sux0r!!!" Apply the same principles to yourself as you apply to others and maybe there won't be so much disagreement... I realize no one's perfect (with the exception of Yeshua and G-d) nor have I ever claimed to be so I don't expect perfection from anyone - I do, however, expect a small amount of respect for my beliefs. You're all so fond of being "open-minded" and accepting of varying religious beliefs with the exception of literal-Biblical Christianity.
There's simply no need for all the personal attacks and mockery in this thread. It's absolutely uncalled for. The worst thing I've done in return is to name pagans for what they are. I realize this is a sensitive subject but if you can't refrain from ridiculing people and trying your hardest to offend them on the deepest level, perhaps you should reconsider your participation in said discussion.
The whole problem arises when you start condemning us for our opinions based on your religious beliefs. We're pagans in your eyes. You're an @$$hole in ours. I have no problem with you saying you worship at the feet of Yeshua and that the stickers that started this thread offend you. Great, you have the right to take offence at other ppl and tell them that. Where I disagree is when you start telling me I'll burn in your hell for this. Frankly, it's your hell, you burn in it! Neither I nor a huge proportion of this thread want to hear that. You don't want us telling you off and insulting you, fine, stop condeming and inflicting your belief structure on us. Stop ridiculing our lack of belief in your deity, and perhaps we'll let it go that you're so high and mighty about the fact that you do believe. ATOT is just another classic example of mob rule.
Having opinions is one thing. Voicing them is another. Trying to foist them upon (unwilling) others is a whole other story. Look at HotChic's post way the hell back on the second page. She was christian and insulted, same as you. But it's you who's getting dumped on because it's you who tried to force this upon others by stating we're all going to burn in your hell for this. Now I realize you've been here at most seven months, but surely you'll have realized that ppl don't take kindly to being told what to think around here. ESPECIALLY when it comes to religious matters.
Not believing in your deity does not make others any different than you. You don't believe in Durga, Lakshmi, Sarasvati, Vishnu, or Shiva. Now I don't know the Hindu equivalent of pagan, but you're it. As far as they're concerned you're liable to come back here as a plant next incarnation. You believe in less deities than they do, and the athiests believe in one less deity than you. All for the same reason. And not a single, sorry one of us here can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone else that they are right
If your priests are correct, then I am already thoroughly damned and you can save your breath!
-- Jack
You can believe anything you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.
-- Solomon Short
Nothing makes one so vain as being told one is a sinner.
-- Oscar Wilde
Please show me the post where I said "you're all going to burn in hell". What's that? You can't? So you're arguing with me because of something I never said? Just because you interpret my posts as having a certain meaning does not give them that meaning. I don't do "double-talk". My posts mean exactly what I want them to mean.
BTW, "my" priests don't exist. I do not attend the modern Luciferian abomination known as the Christian church. The church does not speak for me, nor do I speak for it. Don't try using the tools of Lucifer against me because I'll have no part of it.
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All I have to say is you are totally abusing the - for the names of God
L-rd is never hyphenated since it comes from the feudal system.
Yeh--- Elo--- etc ok
You are by observation a wannbe Christian.
Once you go back to the original writings, taking 5 years to learn the language they are written in and taking 5-10 more years to cross-exam each passage to all others, come back here and tell us what you have discovered.
L-rd is never hyphenated since it comes from the feudal system.
Yeh--- Elo--- etc ok
You are by observation a wannbe Christian.
Once you go back to the original writings, taking 5 years to learn the language they are written in and taking 5-10 more years to cross-exam each passage to all others, come back here and tell us what you have discovered.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
You can believe anything you want to, and ppl don't really care around here. You can have your "magic ppl in the sky", your faries, your Yeshua and G-d, you can even say you worship the eggplants growing in your garden and ppl around here aren't liable to do more than raise an eyebrow.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
I didn't realize feeling strongly about one's beliefs and expressing them accordingly was considered "being an @$$hole". I guess I shouldn't have any opinions since they offend youYou pagans live by the double standard of ridiculing my beliefs but the second I mention my opinion it's "you're an @$$hole! you worship imaginary beings in the sky! you're an idiot! yuo are teh sux0r!!!" Apply the same principles to yourself as you apply to others and maybe there won't be so much disagreement... I realize no one's perfect (with the exception of Yeshua and G-d) nor have I ever claimed to be so I don't expect perfection from anyone - I do, however, expect a small amount of respect for my beliefs. You're all so fond of being "open-minded" and accepting of varying religious beliefs with the exception of literal-Biblical Christianity.
There's simply no need for all the personal attacks and mockery in this thread. It's absolutely uncalled for. The worst thing I've done in return is to name pagans for what they are. I realize this is a sensitive subject but if you can't refrain from ridiculing people and trying your hardest to offend them on the deepest level, perhaps you should reconsider your participation in said discussion.
The whole problem arises when you start condemning us for our opinions based on your religious beliefs. We're pagans in your eyes. You're an @$$hole in ours. I have no problem with you saying you worship at the feet of Yeshua and that the stickers that started this thread offend you. Great, you have the right to take offence at other ppl and tell them that. Where I disagree is when you start telling me I'll burn in your hell for this. Frankly, it's your hell, you burn in it! Neither I nor a huge proportion of this thread want to hear that. You don't want us telling you off and insulting you, fine, stop condeming and inflicting your belief structure on us. Stop ridiculing our lack of belief in your deity, and perhaps we'll let it go that you're so high and mighty about the fact that you do believe. ATOT is just another classic example of mob rule.
Having opinions is one thing. Voicing them is another. Trying to foist them upon (unwilling) others is a whole other story. Look at HotChic's post way the hell back on the second page. She was christian and insulted, same as you. But it's you who's getting dumped on because it's you who tried to force this upon others by stating we're all going to burn in your hell for this. Now I realize you've been here at most seven months, but surely you'll have realized that ppl don't take kindly to being told what to think around here. ESPECIALLY when it comes to religious matters.
Not believing in your deity does not make others any different than you. You don't believe in Durga, Lakshmi, Sarasvati, Vishnu, or Shiva. Now I don't know the Hindu equivalent of pagan, but you're it. As far as they're concerned you're liable to come back here as a plant next incarnation. You believe in less deities than they do, and the athiests believe in one less deity than you. All for the same reason. And not a single, sorry one of us here can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone else that they are right
If your priests are correct, then I am already thoroughly damned and you can save your breath!
-- Jack
You can believe anything you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.
-- Solomon Short
Nothing makes one so vain as being told one is a sinner.
-- Oscar Wilde
Please show me the post where I said "you're all going to burn in hell". What's that? You can't? So you're arguing with me because of something I never said? Just because you interpret my posts as having a certain meaning does not give them that meaning. I don't do "double-talk". My posts mean exactly what I want them to mean.
BTW, "my" priests don't exist. I do not attend the modern Luciferian abomination known as the Christian church. The church does not speak for me, nor do I speak for it. Don't try using the tools of Lucifer against me because I'll have no part of it.
woah woah woah lets slow down here. "Modern luciferian abomination known as the church." Please give me a book or something that I can read up on about what you believe, because you have me confused. Define church. Define tools of lucifer. And define biblically how the church (or your definition of the church) is a tool of lucifer.
And please show love - "Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels but have not love...." Certainly those that reject Christ are pagans, but Christ never called them pagans to their face. Instead he performed miracles among them, dined with them, and loved them. "You will know them by their love."
and remember - blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are the meek.
Jzero, what you?ve just said, is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.Originally posted by: Jzero
I certainly didn't say it proved anything, I just speculated that it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of something.You say repetition proves nothing but then you say I'm trying to hide something because I've repeated myself? Good "God" man, I think you are qualified to write the second version of the Bible, with contradictions and all.
I'll let those statements stand for themselves. Two parties are arguing about the unprovable existence of Tinkerbell and the third one is rationally pointing out that they are both fools and should just shut up and move on.Like I said, trying to be a neutral party in this arguement makes you look even worse than the "sky fairy believing psychopaths." Let's take a step back and see how you look with your arguements:
Me: There is no such thing as Tinkerbell.
Tinkerbell Believers: Yes, there is. There was a book written about Tinkerbell and all her magic. She can even sprinkle pixie dust on you and make you fly. You just have to believe.
Jzero: You guys are both dumb. You each have a side you strongly believe in and there is no reason to mock the other side.
I only see one sane person in that dialog, and it isn't TB or JZ.
Which one is insane again?
People like you can never see themselves for what they are, and when someone like me holds up the mirror, they just hide. Get your head out of the sand and stop trolling -- both of you.
BM
Originally posted by: bigben
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
You can believe anything you want to, and ppl don't really care around here. You can have your "magic ppl in the sky", your faries, your Yeshua and G-d, you can even say you worship the eggplants growing in your garden and ppl around here aren't liable to do more than raise an eyebrow.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
I didn't realize feeling strongly about one's beliefs and expressing them accordingly was considered "being an @$$hole". I guess I shouldn't have any opinions since they offend youYou pagans live by the double standard of ridiculing my beliefs but the second I mention my opinion it's "you're an @$$hole! you worship imaginary beings in the sky! you're an idiot! yuo are teh sux0r!!!" Apply the same principles to yourself as you apply to others and maybe there won't be so much disagreement... I realize no one's perfect (with the exception of Yeshua and G-d) nor have I ever claimed to be so I don't expect perfection from anyone - I do, however, expect a small amount of respect for my beliefs. You're all so fond of being "open-minded" and accepting of varying religious beliefs with the exception of literal-Biblical Christianity.
There's simply no need for all the personal attacks and mockery in this thread. It's absolutely uncalled for. The worst thing I've done in return is to name pagans for what they are. I realize this is a sensitive subject but if you can't refrain from ridiculing people and trying your hardest to offend them on the deepest level, perhaps you should reconsider your participation in said discussion.
The whole problem arises when you start condemning us for our opinions based on your religious beliefs. We're pagans in your eyes. You're an @$$hole in ours. I have no problem with you saying you worship at the feet of Yeshua and that the stickers that started this thread offend you. Great, you have the right to take offence at other ppl and tell them that. Where I disagree is when you start telling me I'll burn in your hell for this. Frankly, it's your hell, you burn in it! Neither I nor a huge proportion of this thread want to hear that. You don't want us telling you off and insulting you, fine, stop condeming and inflicting your belief structure on us. Stop ridiculing our lack of belief in your deity, and perhaps we'll let it go that you're so high and mighty about the fact that you do believe. ATOT is just another classic example of mob rule.
Having opinions is one thing. Voicing them is another. Trying to foist them upon (unwilling) others is a whole other story. Look at HotChic's post way the hell back on the second page. She was christian and insulted, same as you. But it's you who's getting dumped on because it's you who tried to force this upon others by stating we're all going to burn in your hell for this. Now I realize you've been here at most seven months, but surely you'll have realized that ppl don't take kindly to being told what to think around here. ESPECIALLY when it comes to religious matters.
Not believing in your deity does not make others any different than you. You don't believe in Durga, Lakshmi, Sarasvati, Vishnu, or Shiva. Now I don't know the Hindu equivalent of pagan, but you're it. As far as they're concerned you're liable to come back here as a plant next incarnation. You believe in less deities than they do, and the athiests believe in one less deity than you. All for the same reason. And not a single, sorry one of us here can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone else that they are right
If your priests are correct, then I am already thoroughly damned and you can save your breath!
-- Jack
You can believe anything you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.
-- Solomon Short
Nothing makes one so vain as being told one is a sinner.
-- Oscar Wilde
Please show me the post where I said "you're all going to burn in hell". What's that? You can't? So you're arguing with me because of something I never said? Just because you interpret my posts as having a certain meaning does not give them that meaning. I don't do "double-talk". My posts mean exactly what I want them to mean.
BTW, "my" priests don't exist. I do not attend the modern Luciferian abomination known as the Christian church. The church does not speak for me, nor do I speak for it. Don't try using the tools of Lucifer against me because I'll have no part of it.
woah woah woah lets slow down here. "Modern luciferian abomination known as the church." Please give me a book or something that I can read up on about what you believe, because you have me confused. Define church. Define tools of lucifer. And define biblically how the church (or your definition of the church) is a tool of lucifer.
And please show love - "Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels but have not love...." Certainly those that reject Christ are pagans, but Christ never called them pagans to their face. Instead he performed miracles among them, dined with them, and loved them. "You will know them by their love."
and remember - blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are the meek.
Text
Try there.
I've already been over this - do a search. Every single thread on this subject I get asked the same questions and I can't sit here at the computer and explain why I do what I do every time someone asks.
Please don't accuse me of being a "wannabe" or a hypocrite until I do "x" unless you yourself have done the same. Do you speak & read Hebrew and have done what you tell me I need to do? How can you say I'm wrong if you haven't done so yourself?
Jzero, what you?ve just said, is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
BM
[/quote]Solid ad hominem. I see you have no further useful arguments and can resort only to slinging mud.
Oh wait....that's all you've been doing from the start.
Nevermind.
These are neither scripture nor well organized. If you would criticize my citation of Paul earlier then you have to understand my criticism of your citation of non-apostolic writings. Give me scripture and we can have a discussion.
Originally posted by: Jzero
Jzero, what you?ve just said, is one of the most insanely, idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
BM
Solid ad hominem. I see you have no further useful arguments and can resort only to slinging mud.
Oh wait....that's all you've been doing from the start.
Nevermind.[/quote]
Man, I crack myself up. First of all, you never had an arguement. Secondly, you need to get out more. Maybe then you might be able to take my response a little differently.
alkemyst
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hahahaha hebrew...that's just like english. as far as the translation of the bible goes...
no I haven't gone to the original text's however I am not say what is and what is not...I always tell the listener to look into it themselves because there is a ton of contradiction. I have no interest in doing so all I know is that the current bible is flawed.
I know why you do the dashes and for the names of God that is ok...but Lord is not a name of God and is never hyphenated. Lord is a title of a ruler.
I took biblical studies at a college level in a non-religious school to learn more. We only focused on a few things during that time and it was eye-opening.
You do understand that the Bible was originally written in Hebrew, correct? Are you familiar with how the Torah is passed down in the "Jewish" culture? The amount of textual errors in the Torah is something on the order of only thousandths of one percent.
I'm not going to argue with your belief about saying names of the L-rd. You can believe whatever you like and that's fine. I would rather be safe than sorry, though.
Concerning your studies "at a non-religious school... only focused on a few things" don't you think you're overstepping your knowledge just a bit? I don't know what you've studied but your statement indicates you've done very little of it. If this is the case, I suggest you study a bit more before you engage in complex debates such as the history of the Bible and the beliefs contained therein. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion and to the right to state said opinion - but perhaps you should preempt your statments of "fact" (based on your limited study) with the simple phrase "in my opinion", rather than stating such things as fact.
I'm not criticizing you or your studies, far from it. I believe everyone can benefit from studying the Bible and having theological discussions about it, even if they don't believe the Bible is the literal word of G-d. There are many valuable life lessons that can be learned from studying the Bible, and I think everyone can benefit from that.
"better to be safe than sorry." Again, Flyer, you really are relying on non-biblical exegesis here. If you truly have studied the old testament, or have even to the slightest degree, I hope you will see that any reliance on the Law of the Prophets for salvation is foolishness. You are right in saying that Christ did not come to abolish the law - he came to fulfill the law. Through the law we become aware of our sins that seperate man from Christ, and through faith we are Justified in Christ and are being made righteous through the work of the Holy Spirit. Christ himself said the name of God in public that God uses himself - "I AM" - a name that early Christians took and ran with. Are these men all condemned through their use of God's name or are they saved through faith in Christ?
Also, please explain your criticisms of the Church. I agree with the critical approach you take to man-made organized religion, but Christ himself states that he wants a church on this planet - "you are peter, and on this rock I will build my church." Although I do not believe that the papacy is a proper outgrowth of this statement, God ordains a holy, worldwide church where believers worship together. Similarly, the early church stood as a representation of proper Christian love in the light of a harsh Roman rule. They met together, they held all things in common, they took care of their poor, and God was directly active in their ministry (ex. pentacost, ananias and sapphira.) Where then, do you go with your Chriticisms of the church? Certainly the modern Christian church in its various forms are far from God's perfect designs - but nothing on earth will be perfect when it is populated by imperfect men. Any church that claims Christ as its head and claims faith in Christ as the only road to salvation has a very good beginning. A man cannot claim Christ and claim the devil in one breath.
Thanks for being so open in your writings, despite how much criticism you have received from others. I hope the talks here do not pull you away from your personal relationship with God or from your personal biblical studies. I also hope that someday you will discover a community with other believers, as worship is meant to be held with other believers. "where one or more are gathered..."
Strange but I sense that you're angry towards God. Perhaps it has something to do with the relationship between you and your father. Was your father affirming and available to you? Did you hurt any pets as a small child? Were you often mistake by your mother's friends as being of the opposite gender?
Think about it,
Gravity
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Nice insinuation that my interpretation must be suspect without offering anything aside from the classic "argument from intimidation" to back it up.
Regardless, you are placing a stumbling block in their path. A stumbling block is not a permanent wall. Your method of "discussion" is higly confrontational and highly arrogant. Both of these traits allow non-believers to look at you as a confirmation of their perception of Christians as being self-righteous jerks who are more concerned with finger-pointing than with helping and loving others. Such re-enforcements serve only to keep others away from Him. They don't keep people away permanently, but they do present a stumbling block.
ZV
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Old test was hebrew/chaldean is some parts, new test was mostly greek with some hebrew and some aramic.....the Torah I believe is just the first few books and not the whole old testament.
The thing is Hebrew like English has changed over the years. Somethings can be the same word but mean the opposite of the interpretation....and some words are lost.
How did my statement preclude me studying very little? A religious school, much like a religion will be biased....at a secular school there is no bias unless the professor enforces one. For the record I read about religious issues at least once a week.
I have no idea where you are getting anything I say is any more than my opinion....as a matter of fact I stated that clearly:
....another lack of literacy though you just let the whole forum know is enclosed in this line 'but perhaps you should preempt your statments of "fact" (based on your limited study) with the simple phrase "in my opinion"' ... opinion is always assumed....you never assume the writer is stating facts even if the writer says so....only times facts can be assumed is in a research paper, book, if that's the intention.
You contradict yourself each sentence, you critized my studies and then you say you are not critizing....you need to make a stand one way or another...as it is you jump to each side of the line.
Now there are Torah scrolls and Dead Sea Scrolls which talk of God....these are left out of the Bible but most researchers feel they are canonical. Some are error filled though.
Now that is were the debate comes, are the errors correct and the Bible wrong....also there are still contradictions throughout the Bible....the general response is those two things aren't meant to be read together
My criticism of the church is mostly of the Catholic church but includes all apostolic churches, which I believe the vast majority are. Church is good if its purpose isn't to glorify its leaders and obtain riches. If a church strictly preaches the word of the L-rd and doesn't gloss over the less-pleasant parts, then I would say that church is what G-d intended church to be.
As far as "reliance on the Law for salvation" goes, I've never stated this is my belief. Man's adherance to the Law is simply an external sign of his faith. I refer back to Matthew 5:17-18 as my basis for following the Law. Yeshua himself followed the Law, and commanded his followers to do likewise.
My "criticism" of non-believers is not a sign of hatred or disdain, it is simply a reflection of my passion for Yeshua and the principles he taught.
You can read arrogance and hate and whatever else you like into my statements, but only myself and the L-rd truly know what my intent was. I'll leave that up to Him to judge.
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