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Anjem Choudary arrested for encouraging support for ISIS

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Not Tide, I'm a Chipotlaway guy myself.

You appear to be in favor of limitations to free speech. How would you codify what you think the new restrictions to free speech be?

Perhaps that would make your position easier to understand as we could test it against a broad set of examples that you would want to make illegal.

I might start with laws that would make it illegal to preach violence against other people.

I might look into the possibility that schools teach children how to resist psychological manipulation. I might want to make public education on brainwashing a part of all media licensing. I would also want to have public education of the function of fear to include the teaching of scientific statistical evaluation of risk.

In short I would want to destroy mercilessly and without compromise all the feelings and beliefs inculcated into us from childhood and to replace them with a genuine ability to reason.
 
I think you put up these words to convey something, I just cant figure out what that something is.

Do you mind saying your point in a different way, because I cannot wrap my head around it.

Nebor's statement is crazy talk, which is pretty much normal for him. He is wired somewhat different then most people
My facebook comment was a joke
 
Nebor's statement is crazy talk, which is pretty much normal for him. He is wired somewhat different then most people
My facebook comment was a joke

Okay, so it would be hard to prove that London is the center of Islamic terrorism, but do you at least admit its a major center?

Like how the southern Christians are a major center for African anti-gay laws?
 
This guy actually speaks a lot of truth.

For example, that he represents islam and it's the so-called "moderates" or, for the most part, secular, westernized muslims who aren't following the religion.

Even his point about the US and UK govts being the world's biggest terrorists is arguably true, sort of.
 
Okay, so it would be hard to prove that London is the center of Islamic terrorism, but do you at least admit its a major center?

Like how the southern Christians are a major center for African anti-gay laws?

No, I don't think London is a major center for Islamic terrorism
 
No, I don't think London is a major center for Islamic terrorism

From what I understand, and I really do owe you some links, is that London is the epicenter of the supporting roles such as financing, money laundering, money raising, revenue generating activities such as trafficking and drugs, media relations, and recruiting.

I think what Nebor and I are referring to are these kind of activities being centered in London and are very important for any modern global terror organization.

These departments are less sexy and don't benefit from attention and thus don't garner or seek the media.

London having perhaps the most diverse population along with its size coupled with it being the crossroads of the world make it the perfect location for support activities.
 
From what I understand, and I really do owe you some links, is that London is the epicenter of the supporting roles such as financing, money laundering, money raising, revenue generating activities such as trafficking and drugs, media relations, and recruiting.

I think what Nebor and I are referring to are these kind of activities being centered in London and are very important for any modern global terror organization.

These departments are less sexy and don't benefit from attention and thus don't garner or seek the media.

London having perhaps the most diverse population along with its size coupled with it being the crossroads of the world make it the perfect location for support activities.

There is a strangely large amount of support coming out of Europe.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/16/islamic-state-arab-nations-britain-support_n_5995548.html

http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/New-EU-Comb.pdf

But the report is in stark contrast with an August poll on the same topic for ICM, which found that 7% of citizens responded favourably to IS in Britain. To put that result in context, just 5% of the British population are Muslim, meaning a vast number of those surveyed feeling either "very" or "somewhat" favourably towards IS were not Muslim.

In France, the figure was dramatically higher, with 16% of French citizens saying they have a positive opinion of IS, spiking at 27% for those who are aged 18-24. In Germany, it was far lower, with around 3% expressing a positive view.
 
From what I understand, and I really do owe you some links, is that London is the epicenter of the supporting roles such as financing, money laundering, money raising, revenue generating activities such as trafficking and drugs, media relations, and recruiting.

I think what Nebor and I are referring to are these kind of activities being centered in London and are very important for any modern global terror organization.

These departments are less sexy and don't benefit from attention and thus don't garner or seek the media.

London having perhaps the most diverse population along with its size coupled with it being the crossroads of the world make it the perfect location for support activities.

What you have in London is a large poor Muslim pop
Just like in large cities in the US these people end up in gangs etc.
Some of these gangs members have decided to up their cred and off to join the biggest gang in the ME Daesh
 
What you have in London is a large poor Muslim pop
Just like in large cities in the US these people end up in gangs etc.
Some of these gangs members have decided to up their cred and off to join the biggest gang in the ME Daesh

Wouldn't the Saudi Royal family give daesh a run for their money in the biggest gang in the Middle East title race lol?
 
Google Daesh Saudi funding

I did, and this is what I got.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis
At present, there is no credible evidence that the Saudi government is financially supporting ISIS. Riyadh views the group as a terrorist organization that poses a direct threat to the kingdom's security. The Interior Ministry formally designated ISIS as a terrorist entity in March, along with Jabhat al-Nusra, the Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen's Houthi rebels, and Saudi Hezbollah. The designation outlawed various forms of support to the group by residents of the kingdom.

And also this.

There is a misconception that the kingdom does not get in the way of private Saudi financing of terrorist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS. Yet one of Riyadh's most observable counter-terrorism financing activities is its monitoring of the country's formal financial sector in order to block suspect donations. Indeed, social media fundraising campaigns highlight the challenges of sending such funds from Saudi Arabia to Syria. To ensure that their contributions actually reach Syria, Saudi donors are encouraged to send their money to Kuwait, long considered one of the most permissive terrorism financing environments in the Persian Gulf.

Riyadh's concern about blowback -- namely, the belief that allowing citizens to support terrorist groups hostile to the al-Saud monarchy will eventually spawn attacks on Saudi soil -- helps drive the kingdom's counterterrorism approach. In the mid-2000s, the country suffered a series of dramatic al-Qaeda attacks linked to Saudis returning home from the jihad in Afghanistan, and that experience was important in shaping the current mindset. As mentioned above, Riyadh formally outlawed private donations to ISIS and other groups when it designated them as terrorist organizations in March. That move may have been connected to increasing government concern about Saudi membership in foreign terrorist groups, and may have coincided with the investigation of the domestic ISIS-linked cell announced in May.
 

What do you mean absolute fact? Either something is or is not true. It sure seemed like you were trying to imply that Daesh and S.A. were the same gang because S.A. was funding Daesh. Now you come back with a link where the writer makes a claim (and does not back it up) that S.A. was funding ISIS. So, given the context, it would seem like you are trying to give credibility to what you implied earlier. Then, as you always do, you end with something that makes your position ambiguous.

So, if you were trying to say that it was something that is true, you were then also saying something was a fact. No?
 
What do you mean absolute fact? Either something is or is not true. It sure seemed like you were trying to imply that Daesh and S.A. were the same gang because S.A. was funding Daesh. Now you come back with a link where the writer makes a claim (and does not back it up) that S.A. was funding ISIS. So, given the context, it would seem like you are trying to give credibility to what you implied earlier. Then, as you always do, you end with something that makes your position ambiguous.

So, if you were trying to say that it was something that is true, you were then also saying something was a fact. No?

I was suggesting to read up on how Saudi could be funding Daesh
You then did as you always do and read a whole bunch into it, with no facts to back it up
 
This guy actually speaks a lot of truth.

For example, that he represents islam and it's the so-called "moderates" or, for the most part, secular, westernized muslims who aren't following the religion.

Even his point about the US and UK govts being the world's biggest terrorists is arguably true, sort of.


Oh I see now, we got ourselves our very own Muslim fanatic.
 
I was suggesting to read up on how Saudi could be funding Daesh
You then did as you always do and read a whole bunch into it, with no facts to back it up

So do you have any reason to believe S.A. could be funding Daesh? What was the point of saying it is possible? Many things are possible, and you did not bring those things up.
 
So do you have any reason to believe S.A. could be funding Daesh? What was the point of saying it is possible? Many things are possible, and you did not bring those things up.

You have never read anything before about SA support for terrorist groups.
I suppose without the actual data you won't consider it
Ya I have no smoking gun Mr Spock
 
You have never read anything before about SA support for terrorist groups.
I suppose without the actual data you won't consider it
Ya I have no smoking gun Mr Spock

S.A. support terrorist groups sure. You said S.A. supports Daesh.

Context
Wouldn't the Saudi Royal family give daesh a run for their money in the biggest gang in the Middle East title race lol?

Your response
Google Daesh Saudi funding

If the point was not to imply that S.A. was funding or has funded Daesh, then what was the point?

I why should I consider anything if you do not give a logical reason in lieu of evidence? You don't have any proof and you have not explained why you think they are.

So I don't read into something that is not there, just explain what you mean.
 
S.A. support terrorist groups sure. You said S.A. supports Daesh.

Context


Your response


If the point was not to imply that S.A. was funding or has funded Daesh, then what was the point?

I why should I consider anything if you do not give a logical reason in lieu of evidence? You don't have any proof and you have not explained why you think they are.

So I don't read into something that is not there, just explain what you mean.

Sigh...you read the link I posted right?
You already responded with saying there is no evidence
 
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