Angle of View on LCDs

[AllDressedUp]

I just purchased a new LCD panel, and noticed it seems to have more angle of view issues on some colors than others. Lighter and primary colors such as white, red, green and blue do not seem to change as much as darker greys and some secondary colors. I was wondering if this was typical or if it could be something unique to my display. The problem seems most pronounced on darker colors which have some mixture of Red, Green, and Blue.

 

[AllDressedUp]

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[rickon66]

It's typical

 

[AllDressedUp]

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[MagicaJuve]

I wanna ask you something. An LCD(tft) monitor is good for gaming or should i buy somethingelse?

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: MagicaJuve
I wanna ask you something. An LCD(tft) monitor is good for gaming or should i buy somethingelse?

They are good for gaming if you get a decent one. Others arnt so good. Look for sub 25ms responce times.
Welcome to the AnandTech Forums as well!!!

 

[Mem]

I wanna ask you something. An LCD(tft) monitor is good for gaming or should i buy somethingelse?

The latest 17" models like NEC 1760NX have 16ms response time (1000/16= 62.5 frames per second in theory) which are pretty good for gaming,bearing in mind that LCDs give their best image quality in their native res which is normally (1280x1024) or if you use a lower res in centred mode which means you will lose some of the screen size but still maintain excellent IQ.

I`m using a 19" Samsung 191T which has response time around 25ms,I find it`s great for slower type RPG games but can still play CS,TFC,UT with some slight ghosting which I`ve to look for to really notice it.

I do like the crispness of LCDs since from corner to corner it`s a lot crisper then any CRT you can buy .

Bottom line is LCDs are not bad for gaming if you go with the faster models however CRTs are what the hardcore gamers use especially if you use a lot of different resolutions.

 

[MagicaJuve]

Yes ,i'm a hardcore gamer! I have to buy a monitor!
Or a Sony tft:17";1280*1024;30ms or a Crt(your opinion).
That Sony is expensive,but is it good?

 

[Mem]

Sony tft:17";1280*1024;30ms

That`s not going to be very good for gaming,look at models like the Hitachi CML174SXW ,NEC 1760NX they have 16ms response time which is best you can get at present for gaming.


If you`re a hardcore gamer then going CRT is probably your best bet,unless you can go to the stores and see some LCDs on running games. I can`t really make the choice for you since choosing between LCD and CRT for gaming is a very personal thing,good luck with your final choice.

 

[AllDressedUp]

A panel with a digital DVI input might be preferable for gaming as well. They should give the most crisp image quality, and some apparently have less ghosting than with the analog VGA input.

I believe all these have DVI:

Dell 1800FP
Samsung 172T
NEC 1760NX
Viewsonic VP171B
Hitachi CML174

I think the Dell & Samsung may be around 20-25ms, but I believe the Hitachi, NEC, and Viewsonic are all 16ms. I've heard that the 16ms displays may not offer quite as true color depth. Not sure if you'd notice it though. I've noticed that dithering can be more apparent in some situations on an LCD than on CRTs though, FWIW. YMMV.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: Mem
...look at models like the Hitachi CML174SXW...

I can vouch for the CML174SX series. I have the CML174SXW (the white one), and its excellent for games. Better than many CRTs that ive used.

If you`re a hardcore gamer then going CRT is probably your best bet,

Not starting on you here, so dont take it as a flame against you.
But what makes a Hardcore gamer? I mean you get people on these forums saying that to be a hardcore gamer you must have this bit of hardware, you must use a computer in this way, you must use this software, but its all a load of bullsh1t. Whos to say whos the more hardcore of a gamer, the person with the rig that can run everything in high res with all of the "reccommended" parts, or the person who has a "budget" rig who runs in low res.
Its all a matter of sterotypical opinion.
Many people here agree that CRTs are better than TFTs for gaming, and rant on about how "the hardcore gamer would get a CRT over a TFT", which imo is bollocks, if one person gets a TFT over a CRT it doesnt make him/her any less of a gamer than the person who opted for a CRT.
There are several other examples that come to mind as well.

choosing between LCD and CRT for gaming is a very personal thing,good luck with your final choice.

Good point there. Its all down to personal preference.

Originally posted by: AllDressedUp
A panel with a digital DVI input might be preferable for gaming as well. They should give the most crisp image quality, and some apparently have less ghosting than with the analog VGA input.

I believe all these have DVI:

Dell 1800FP
Samsung 172T
NEC 1760NX
Viewsonic VP171B
Hitachi CML174

The Hitachi does have DVI. And the DVI can help reduce ghosting and trails. Not that the Hitachi suffers from it anyway.

I've heard that the 16ms displays may not offer quite as true color depth. Not sure if you'd notice it though.

They dont display as many "true" shades of some colours, but alternate two other colours to make the eye think its displaying the correct colour. It isnt noticeable at all. Despite what alot of "experts" here say.

 

[Mem]

But what makes a Hardcore gamer? I mean you get people on these forums saying that to be a hardcore gamer you must have this bit of hardware

Hardcore gamers run at different resolutions all the time and most want the fastest FPS in gaming,the sad fact is CRTs are faster for speed then LCDs & I know a few that have gone back to CRT for gaming over LCD,however general gamers come in all sorts, some don`t mind LCDs for gaming.



Give LCDs enough time to get faster and faster down the road and the CRT will go the way ofthe dinosaur,I`m also sure they are working on making non-native resolutions look better.
Both have there Pro`s and Con`s and after you have had a LCD for awhile looking at a CRT image looks soft and colourless IMHO compared to crispness of LCD.

 

[BoomAM]

Thats the thing though. You say that someone who changes resolution alot is a hardcore gamer. But wheres the rule book? Theres no-where that says that you must change resolution alot to be a hardcore gamer is there?
I mean what a load of bollocks, you must use multiple resolutions to be a hardcore gamer. How crap is that. If someone prefers one resolution over multiple ones, it doesnt make him/her less of a gamer than someone who does.
And like i said, using a TFT over a CRT doesnt automatically demote you to the status of "general gamer".

 

[Mem]

BoomAM,lol looks like you`re trying to get into an argument over "hardcore gamer" anyway as I said they use different resolutions all the time and want the fastest FPS refresh rate possible plus they game alot more then the casual or normal gamer(3 things not one that`s my definition).

Don`t get upset over it just enjoy your LCD like I`m .
Btw I`m not saying hardcore gamer won `t use LCD but 95% of them prefer CRT,maybe we should make a poll

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: Mem
BoomAM,lol looks like you`re trying to get into an argument over "hardcore gamer" anyway as I said they use different resolutions all the time and want the fastest FPS refresh rate possible plus they game alot more then the casual or normal gamer.

Don`t get upset over it just enjoy your LCD like I`m .
Btw I`m not saying hardcore gamer won `t use LCD but 95% of them prefer CRT,maybe we should make a poll

Im not getting at you, im just saying that people say that hardcore gamers do this and that, but where is the rule book.
Where does it say that you have to do this and that to be a hardcore gamer?
Its all a load of bollocks baced on nothing more than a simple popular opinion.
In all actual truth, there is no such thing as a hardcore gamer.

We could make a poll, but it`d be heavily opinionated towards the CRT. People will flock like sheep to the CRT option for fear of being ridiculed for choosing the TFT.
If these so called "hardcore gamers" wanted to get technical, then the real hardcore gamer would be the people who buy the stuff that they wont touch, they drive the industry forwards so that in the future these "hardcore gamers" can use TFTs, and then they can complain about the next new thing that wont do for games.

Come to think of it, this`d make a excellent topic for discussion in off topic.

 

[BoomAM]

BTY. Heres the "What make a hardcore gamer" discussion thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1115862