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Anger Erupts at Republican Town Halls Over Obamacare

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IronWing said:
The Rep base ain't abandoning the party no matter what. If the Reps gut the ACA and leave the base to the whims of the insurance industry, the base will blame everybody but themselves and their party. We see that dynamic in this very forum. Trump does something asinine and the Reps blame Clinton for not being a stronger candidate. The idea that the Rep base will ever look out for its self-interest is delusional. As long as there's country music playing and flags waving, the Rep base would line dance straight into the gas chambers where they'd cheer that the nozzles were American made.
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Lol brilliant, especially the last line.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
A few links for you but fski pretty much covered it. Threw in a couple right wing sites for fun.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ement-role-soften-stance-on-total-repeal.html
https://www.conservativereview.com/...publicans-plan-to-repair-not-repeal-obamacare
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/...gn-to-destroy-obamacare-hits-a-wall.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.f252f02928ce

They have no idea what to do at this point. For 7 years it was repeal! repeal! repeal! when they knew they didn't have to actually come up with anything. Tables have shifted. Now the ball is in their court and they are lost.
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All I see from those links is Republicans navigating treacherous waters. I personally wouldn't call it backpedaling per se but more of a realization of the political realities than anything else. Straight up repeal is not going to happen...they get this. Their strategy appears to be to gut the mandate and other onerous provisions of ACA as soon as possible on one hand...while building a alternative to ACA on the other...and then allowing them to coexist for a while until there's enough confidence in the replacement plan to get the votes need for total repeal. I personally don't think the word "backpedaling" is an accurate description of reality here as they're aggressively moving ahead on this issue.
 
Thank god for people like doc! The Gop would be dead without them. When the GOP finds another way to have the equivalent of a mandate but not have to call it a mandate look for this tool to be defending it, he certainly won't be calling it onerous then.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
All I see from those links is Republicans navigating treacherous waters. I personally wouldn't call it backpedaling per se but more of a realization of the political realities than anything else. Straight up repeal is not going to happen...they get this. Their strategy appears to be to gut the mandate and other onerous provisions of ACA as soon as possible on one hand...while building a alternative to ACA on the other...and then allowing them to coexist for a while until there's enough confidence in the replacement plan to get the votes need for total repeal. I personally don't think the word "backpedaling" is an accurate description of reality here as they're aggressively moving ahead on this issue.
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Now that is some masterful spin right there! Apparently going from 'Obamacare will be repealed day one' to 'straight up repeal is not going to happen but potentially at some point in the future when they craft a replacement that will coexist (??) with the ACA for awhile then they might repeal it then' is not backpedaling.

wut.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
All I see from those links is Republicans navigating treacherous waters. I personally wouldn't call it backpedaling per se but more of a realization of the political realities than anything else. Straight up repeal is not going to happen...they get this. Their strategy appears to be to gut the mandate and other onerous provisions of ACA as soon as possible on one hand...while building a alternative to ACA on the other...and then allowing them to coexist for a while until there's enough confidence in the replacement plan to get the votes need for total repeal. I personally don't think the word "backpedaling" is an accurate description of reality here as they're aggressively moving ahead on this issue.
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Doc Savage Fan said:
All I see from those links is Republicans navigating treacherous waters. I personally wouldn't call it backpedaling per se but more of a realization of the political realities than anything else. Straight up repeal is not going to happen...they get this. Their strategy appears to be to gut the mandate and other onerous provisions of ACA as soon as possible on one hand...while building a alternative to ACA on the other...and then allowing them to coexist for a while until there's enough confidence in the replacement plan to get the votes need for total repeal. I personally don't think the word "backpedaling" is an accurate description of reality here as they're aggressively moving ahead on this issue.
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LOL no wonder repubs are in control and are making sure that the next generation of their base (Betsy Davos) is just as dumb so that they stay in power.
 
fskimospy said:
Now that is some masterful spin right there! Apparently going from 'Obamacare will be repealed day one' to 'straight up repeal is not going to happen but potentially at some point in the future when they craft a replacement that will coexist (??) with the ACA for awhile then they might repeal it then' is not backpedaling.

wut.
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They don't have the votes for straight-up repeal. They're clearly acknowledging the political realities here and moving forward based on those realities. If you want to frame this as "backpedaling"...then go for it as I'm sure it gives you great pleasure in doing so. I would personally frame it as a 'detour'.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
They don't have the votes for straight-up repeal. They're clearly acknowledging the political realities here and moving forward based on those realities. If you want to frame this as "backpedaling"...then go for it as I'm sure it gives you great pleasure in doing so. I would personally frame it as a 'detour'.
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Lol "detour". Good boy!
 
thraashman said:
So in other words you think they should resort to violence? Because if you ignore people when they're being non violent, then you invite them to move to more extreme tactics.
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People have a right to express an opinion, they don't have a right to have someone else agree with that opinion. They can express their opinion and others can ignore it if they want. If someone thinks they have a right to resort to violence because someone else ignores them or disagrees with them, well, that explains the libs looting and rioting all over the place this election cycle.
 
PokerGuy said:
People have a right to express an opinion, they don't have a right to have someone else agree with that opinion. They can express their opinion and others can ignore it if they want. If someone thinks they have a right to resort to violence because someone else ignores them or disagrees with them, well, that explains the libs looting and rioting all over the place this election cycle.
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If you ignore the people when they're being peaceful, then they're going to resort to tactics in which they can't be ignored. It's generally referred to as revolution. The intelligent, sane, and correct answer is to engage the people in conversation.
 
thraashman said:
If you ignore the people when they're being peaceful, then they're going to resort to tactics in which they can't be ignored. It's generally referred to as revolution. The intelligent, sane, and correct answer is to engage the people in conversation.
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Now you're talking, if the lefties don't get their way and if the right refuse to agree with them or to knuckle under to them, then the left go the violent route. Good thinking.
 
thraashman said:
If you ignore the people when they're being peaceful, then they're going to resort to tactics in which they can't be ignored. It's generally referred to as revolution. The intelligent, sane, and correct answer is to engage the people in conversation.
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So pretty much what I said. The lefties aren't content to have the right to express their opinion. If you don't agree with their opinion then they think violence is justified to get their way. That explains all the riots.....errr... protests around the country. Newsflash: you have a right to express your opinion, not a right to ensure that you get your way.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
All I see from those links is Republicans navigating treacherous waters. I personally wouldn't call it backpedaling per se but more of a realization of the political realities than anything else. Straight up repeal is not going to happen...they get this. Their strategy appears to be to gut the mandate and other onerous provisions of ACA as soon as possible on one hand...while building a alternative to ACA on the other...and then allowing them to coexist for a while until there's enough confidence in the replacement plan to get the votes need for total repeal. I personally don't think the word "backpedaling" is an accurate description of reality here as they're aggressively moving ahead on this issue.
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Smoke is belching from your ears.
 
VRAMdemon said:
The "original" battle cry was "Repeal!", Then it went to "Repeal and replace!". Now that they have been given new, and seemingly unwanted, responsibility for the health care issue, it has become "Repair" and even "Rebuild"
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The logical next step is of course, "Oh look, gay married people getting abortions!!"
 
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