Angela Merkel calls multi-culturalism a "Grand Delusion"

[1prophet]

And the ones suffering the greatest delusion are the pretend liberals that excuse these non assimilating immigrants to the point of throwing gays, women, free speech, etc. under the bus instead of admitting their fallacy, and in effect enabling the very right wing parties that they love to point the finger at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlZNZpdmfU

 

[shady28]

And the ones suffering the greatest delusion are the pretend liberals that excuse these non assimilating immigrants to the point of throwing gays, women, free speech, etc. under the bus instead of admitting their fallacy, and in effect enabling the very right wing parties that they love to point the finger at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlZNZpdmfU

That video is absolutely amazing.

For anyone that didn't bother to look - in the first couple of minutes -

The example is a Muslim woman's husband who beats her, woman is asking for a divorce. No question on evidence, but the judge looks at a passage in the Koran that says a husband should beat their wife if they are uppity, so divorce denied have a nice marriage.

In another case, a Muslim family conspires to murder the wife of a family member. Charges reduced to manslaughter because killing the woman is based on their religious beliefs.

Incredible.

 

[realibrad]

That video is absolutely amazing.

For anyone that didn't bother to look - in the first couple of minutes -

The example is a Muslim woman's husband who beats her, woman is asking for a divorce. No question on evidence, but the judge looks at a passage in the Koran that says a husband should beat their wife if they are uppity, so divorce denied have a nice marriage.

In another case, a Muslim family conspires to murder the wife of a family member. Charges reduced to manslaughter because killing the woman is based on their religious beliefs.

Incredible.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/22/world/europe/22cnd-germany.html

Sad, but it seems like there might be an explanation. Seems the judge had an incident where someone brought a gun into her court and killed someone. She may have been afraid that if she made a ruling to upset the guy, he might try and kill her too.

This part bothers me though.

Muslim leaders agreed that Muslims living here must be judged by the German legal code. But they were just as offended by what they characterized as the judge’s misinterpretation of a much-debated passage in the Koran governing relations between husbands and wives.

While the verse cited by Judge Datz-Winter does say husbands may beat their wives for disobedience — an interpretation embraced by Wahhabi and other fundamentalist Islamic groups — most mainstream Muslims have long rejected wife-beating as a relic of the medieval age.

If it were so clear, it would not be much debated. The other argument is that was the old ways. So, was it the old way or was it understood incorrectly?

 

[TheSlamma]

That video is absolutely amazing.

For anyone that didn't bother to look - in the first couple of minutes -

The example is a Muslim woman's husband who beats her, woman is asking for a divorce. No question on evidence, but the judge looks at a passage in the Koran that says a husband should beat their wife if they are uppity, so divorce denied have a nice marriage.

In another case, a Muslim family conspires to murder the wife of a family member. Charges reduced to manslaughter because killing the woman is based on their religious beliefs.

Incredible.

they are busy formulating a how (insert majority) is just as bad so we should move along and not try to address blatant issues argument.

 

[MajinCry]

Holy shit! Posting stuff about Muslims committing crimes on Anandtech P&N will get Victorian Gray to god stomp you about being a bigot. Watch out bro. lmao.

I'm amazed that nobody has yet said something akin to "You posted an article from xyz, abc, dbtf, hgv & rgba? You're just a racist sheep!".

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/22/world/europe/22cnd-germany.html

Sad, but it seems like there might be an explanation. Seems the judge had an incident where someone brought a gun into her court and killed someone. She may have been afraid that if she made a ruling to upset the guy, he might try and kill her too.

This part bothers me though.



If it were so clear, it would not be much debated. The other argument is that was the old ways. So, was it the old way or was it understood incorrectly?

So, what are you saying? That maybe it is acceptable, due to the judge being a coward and skirting the law?

 

[realibrad]

So, what are you saying? That maybe it is acceptable, due to the judge being a coward and skirting the law?

Is that really what you took from my comment?
I was giving more of the story but in no way did I say what she ruled was right.

But seriously, how could honestly come to your conclusion from what I said?

 

[pcgeek11]

By this:

but it seems like there might be an explanation.

There was room for doubt, that is why I asked.

 

[realibrad]

By this:



There was room for doubt, that is why I asked.

Yes, it explains her actions. It does not justify them. Still no reason to think I was justifying her actions, only explaining them. How did you get room for doubt?

 

[SP33Demon]

Fuck multiculturalism, the failed experiment is over. Good riddance.

 

[Blue_Max]

Fuck multiculturalism, the failed experiment is over. Good riddance.

Ever how multiculturalism is only touted as a 'good thing' in western nations?
It's totally fine for Africa to be >90% dark-skinned Africans.
It's totally fine for China to be >90% yellow-tinted Chinese.
It's totally fine for India to be >90% brown-skinned Indians.
It's totally fine for the middle east to be >90% of arabian-descent.
...but majority white? EVIL! VILE! RACIST!!! Cannot be allowed!!

It's nuts. And we see over and over that trying to be 'multicultural' is not working terribly well, resulting in western nations no longer really having a culture to call to their own anymore. Drifters. Just existing...

 

[alcoholbob]

Ever how multiculturalism is only touted as a 'good thing' in western nations?
It's totally fine for Africa to be >90% dark-skinned Africans.
It's totally fine for China to be >90% yellow-tinted Chinese.
It's totally fine for India to be >90% brown-skinned Indians.
It's totally fine for the middle east to be >90% of arabian-descent.
...but majority white? EVIL! VILE! RACIST!!! Cannot be allowed!!

It's nuts. And we see over and over that trying to be 'multicultural' is not working terribly well, resulting in western nations no longer really having a culture to call to their own anymore. Drifters. Just existing...

Actually the failure of multiculturalism is the 180 degrees liberals have made since the 1960s from promoting integration and assimilation to now promoting parallel societies (and thus segregation) which leads to discontent, criminality, and violent radicalization, the very definition of Balkanization which long term leads to civil war. Ushering in millions of people and promoting non-assimilation for labor party/democratic party votes IMO is immoral since you are setting your great grandchildren for a bloodbath, but that's liberals for you.

Nobody here is talking about skin color...well except you.

 

[kage69]

Actually the failure of multiculturalism is the 180 degrees liberals have made since the 1960s from promoting integration and assimilation to now promoting parallel societies (and thus segregation) which leads to discontent, criminality, and violent radicalization, the very definition of Balkanization which long term leads to civil war. Ushering in millions of people and promoting non-assimilation for labor party/democratic party votes IMO is immoral since you are setting your great grandchildren for a bloodbath, but that's liberals for you.

Nobody here is talking about skin color...well except you.

That's an interesting take on history. Examples of these parallel societies? How about some examples of this Balkanization?

The examples that come to mind regarding those all happen to be facets of contemporary hard right conservatism, with their emphasis on exclusion rather than inclusion.

Is it the liberals who are the ones who are effectively running segregated schools in the South?
Are the liberals fighting for special rights with all the recent legislation regarding gay or women's rights?
Has it been radical leftists that have been killing others over reproductive freedom or immigration fears?

 

[realibrad]

That's an interesting take on history. Examples of these parallel societies? How about some examples of this Balkanization?

The examples that come to mind regarding those all happen to be facets of contemporary hard right conservatism, with their emphasis on exclusion rather than inclusion.

Is it the liberals who are the ones who are effectively running segregated schools in the South?
Are the liberals fighting for special rights with all the recent legislation regarding gay or women's rights?
Has it been radical leftists that have been killing others over reproductive freedom or immigration fears?

So what are the all black schools? Are you saying those are conservative? I grant you the right has a history of segregation, but it happens on the left when they try to "help" some groups. BLM is another great example.

 

[Zorkorist]

If Government wasn't so expensive, we could all get along.

It used to be that a person could make a living wage after a hard day's work. Today, taxes, regulations, lawsuits, etc., make it ever harder to hire someone.

Meanwhile, everything is so expensive, because the Government is spending money like it grows on trees.

This leaves a normal person, well and truly fucked.

-John

 

[kage69]

So what are the all black schools? Are you saying those are conservative? I grant you the right has a history of segregation, but it happens on the left when they try to "help" some groups. BLM is another great example.

That really doesn't touch on the point that liberal politics seem to be a lot more inclusive than conservative politics. I find it odd given some people's take that it's the liberals and their exclusive tendencies that create these strata which are supposedly pushing us closer to civil war.

Regarding the schools specifically, are you at all familiar with what's been happening, especially in the South? If you look into the dogwhistle we call "school choice" and how important that is for certain communities, I think you'll that most all-black schools are largely the result of white flight and white parents not wanting their children to attend schools with black kids. Areas of this country have pretty much forgotten about Brown v Board of Education, and it shows. It wasn't the black community who pressed politicians to fund private school vouchers with public school funds - as a group that predominantly utilizes public schools that would be rather counterproductive, no?

Do you think it's a coincidence that dozens of frats don't accept black pledges? Or that proms for whites only is a thing? I see those on the left playing a largely reactive role to the acts and agendas of certain 'culture warriors' on the right. Accusing them of creating divisive social strata strikes me as putting the cart in front of the horse.

 

[realibrad]

That really doesn't touch on the point that liberal politics seem to be a lot more inclusive than conservative politics. I find it odd given some people's take that it's the liberals and their exclusive tendencies that create these strata which are supposedly pushing us closer to civil war.

Regarding the schools specifically, are you at all familiar with what's been happening, especially in the South? If you look into the dogwhistle we call "school choice" and how important that is for certain communities, I think you'll that most all-black schools are largely the result of white flight and white parents not wanting their children to attend schools with black kids. Areas of this country have pretty much forgotten about Brown v Board of Education, and it shows. It wasn't the black community who pressed politicians to fund private school vouchers with public school funds - as a group that predominantly utilizes public schools that would be rather counterproductive, no?

Do you think it's a coincidence that dozens of frats don't accept black pledges? Or that proms for whites only is a thing? I see those on the left playing a largely reactive role to the acts and agendas of certain 'culture warriors' on the right. Accusing them of creating divisive social strata strikes me as putting the cart in front of the horse.

The point is that liberal ideals do not exclude the group from segregation. Check out this article.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/can-fieldston-un-teach-racism.html

To all these ends, the third- , fourth- , and fifth-graders at Lower were to be divided once a week for five weeks into small groups according to their race. In 45-minute sessions, children would talk about what it was like to be a member of that race; they would discuss what they had in common with each other and how they were different, how other people perceived them, rightly or wrongly, based on appearance. Disinhibited by the company of racially different peers, the children would, the school hoped, feel free to raise questions and make observations that in mixed company might be considered impolite. The bigger goal was to initiate a cultural upheaval, one that would finally give students of color a sense of equal owner*ship in the community. Once the smaller race groups had broken up, the children would gather in a mixed-race setting to share, and discuss, the insights they had gained. Then — after all this — their regularly scheduled school day would continue: math, English, social studies, science, gym.

See, the idea is to split people by their race so they feel safe enough to talk about other groups. The best way to get people together is to split them up into their own race groups.

There are more things like this out there, where liberals are segregating people so they feel safer. The reason is different than the Jim Crow days, but the outcome is the the same, segregation. The difference is that the liberals think they are protecting the groups, and Jim Crow was to...oh shit the same reason. Huh.

Races and cultures are different. The only thing we should be doing is making sure peoples rights are protected. For a long time, the conservatives used government to split whites from colored people, now the liberals want to protect the non whites from the whites. Different side, same damn racist coin.

 

[Roflmouth]

That really doesn't touch on the point that liberal politics seem to be a lot more inclusive than conservative politics. I find it odd given some people's take that it's the liberals and their exclusive tendencies that create these strata which are supposedly pushing us closer to civil war.

Regarding the schools specifically, are you at all familiar with what's been happening, especially in the South? If you look into the dogwhistle we call "school choice" and how important that is for certain communities, I think you'll that most all-black schools are largely the result of white flight and white parents not wanting their children to attend schools with black kids. Areas of this country have pretty much forgotten about Brown v Board of Education, and it shows. It wasn't the black community who pressed politicians to fund private school vouchers with public school funds - as a group that predominantly utilizes public schools that would be rather counterproductive, no?

Do you think it's a coincidence that dozens of frats don't accept black pledges? Or that proms for whites only is a thing? I see those on the left playing a largely reactive role to the acts and agendas of certain 'culture warriors' on the right. Accusing them of creating divisive social strata strikes me as putting the cart in front of the horse.

Which frats don't take black pledges, and where are there white-only proms, liar?

 

[werepossum]

That really doesn't touch on the point that liberal politics seem to be a lot more inclusive than conservative politics. I find it odd given some people's take that it's the liberals and their exclusive tendencies that create these strata which are supposedly pushing us closer to civil war.

Regarding the schools specifically, are you at all familiar with what's been happening, especially in the South? If you look into the dogwhistle we call "school choice" and how important that is for certain communities, I think you'll that most all-black schools are largely the result of white flight and white parents not wanting their children to attend schools with black kids. Areas of this country have pretty much forgotten about Brown v Board of Education, and it shows. It wasn't the black community who pressed politicians to fund private school vouchers with public school funds - as a group that predominantly utilizes public schools that would be rather counterproductive, no?

Do you think it's a coincidence that dozens of frats don't accept black pledges? Or that proms for whites only is a thing? I see those on the left playing a largely reactive role to the acts and agendas of certain 'culture warriors' on the right. Accusing them of creating divisive social strata strikes me as putting the cart in front of the horse.

Actually in D.C. it was black parents asking for private school vouchers, because it was their children trapped in failed public schools. And I very much doubt there are any frats that don't accept black pledges; that wouldn't be tolerated. The white proms I'll grant you, but only a couple here and there, and private affairs rather than the official segregation promulgated by progressives. There are certainly culture warriors on both sides, but on the right such behavior is frowned upon and tolerated only on the fringes. Thus things like black-only scholarships are tolerated and even encouraged where white-only scholarships are not.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The UKIP is seeing massive support these days, I think a lot of Brits have had enough of this liberal dogma where "tolerance" and "diversity" is really just a way for the native population to be driven into a lower standard of living. The media tries their best to portray them as a bunch of redneck racists, but i think the public has woken up and had enough. Europe for Europeans, if you want to migrate there, do it legally and in much lower numbers. No more pandering to their cultural beliefs, assimilate or GTFO imo.

 

[kage69]

Which frats don't take black pledges

Off the top of my head, Sigma Alpha Epsilon. Maybe you missed their happy little chorus that made the news recently? Mighty progressive and accepting of them, right? Arizona's Tau Kappa Epsilon, Auburn's Delta Sig Phi...it's actually a rather long list, and that's not even counting the sororities. Often times there won't be an official policy against black pledges, they will just be refused for some bullshit reason. White kids with less scholastic achievement can make the cut though.

As a college student in the Bible Belt attending various rush parties, I wasn't too surprised to find that the frat started by Robert E Lee, Kappa Alpha, didn't have any black guys in it. The clansman like racism that some of the members proudly exhibited I did find a little surprisingly.

and where are there white-only proms, liar

Segregated proms have been the norm in Georgia, Shitmouth. It is a dying trend, thankfully, only recently getting the scorn it deserves. Might still be going on in Wilcox County*. Probably a few other places in Alabama and Mississippi.

*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-holds-school-sanctioned-integrated-prom.html

Lmao. Oh I was wrong, parts of Georgia have decided to join us in the 21st century. Wilcox County had it's first integrated prom... in 2014.

So by all means, take that indignation and accusation of lying and shove it up your ass, Shitmouth. 🙂

 

[shady28]

Segregated proms have been the norm in Georgia, Shitmouth. It is a dying trend, thankfully, only recently getting the scorn it deserves. Might still be going on in Wilcox County*. Probably a few other places in Alabama.

*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-holds-school-sanctioned-integrated-prom.html

Lmao. Oh I was wrong, parts of Georgia have decided to join us in the 21st century. Wilcox County had it's first integrated prom... in 2014.

So by all means, take that indignation and accusation of lying and shove it up your ass, Shitmouth. 🙂

If you would tell the entire story rather than selective portions, you'd have more credibility. But that's not your objective, rather you clearly want to present in a way to push an agenda of yours.

It was the norm for privately held proms in a county of less than 9,000 in Georgia. There were no sanctioned proms. It got attention only after some of the locals had an integrated prom. They weren't forced into anything.

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us on your stance regarding black-only or women-only scholarships?

 

[kage69]

Actually in D.C. it was black parents asking for private school vouchers, because it was their children trapped in failed public schools. And I very much doubt there are any frats that don't accept black pledges; that wouldn't be tolerated. The white proms I'll grant you, but only a couple here and there, and private affairs rather than the official segregation promulgated by progressives. There are certainly culture warriors on both sides, but on the right such behavior is frowned upon and tolerated only on the fringes. Thus things like black-only scholarships are tolerated and even encouraged where white-only scholarships are not.

Well you can doubt it all you want, the reality on the ground is unfortunately a bit different. Frats are seen as private clubs and can limit housing for members. Even the Fair Housing Act has an exemption for them. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/3607

There is a system in place that allows greeks to pretty much do what they want and slide away from responsibility. One of the many reasons you are seeing universities and college ban frats outright.

But yes, that's kind of the theme with the District, not being an actual State means they get the short end of the stick on pretty much every issue.
I think if someone wants to know what a curious, full of inequities case Washington D.C. represents, just watch this excellent Oliver clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z4j2CrJRn4 I love Chaffetz's shit eating grin there, it's what he does.

It's disgraceful what Washington DC's population has to put up with. American ideals don't seem to apply there, not when they'll mostly Dems anyway.

 

[kage69]

If you would tell the entire story rather than selective portions, you'd have more credibility.

Oh, so I have to derail the thread in order to put your easily offended mind at ease? You realize I was replying to someone, right? That my line of questions applies directly to the thread subject? Tell you what, you want to have a thread all about proms, go make one. Until then, save the whining for someone who gives a shit.

But that's not your objective, rather you clearly want to present in a way to push an agenda of yours.

My objective here was to get alcoholbob to elaborate on some strange notions. It's too bad some examples I provided have caused this butthurt you are experiencing, but I really don't care.

It was the norm for privately held proms in a county of less than 9,000 in Georgia. There were no sanctioned proms. It got attention only after some of the locals had an integrated prom. They weren't forced into anything.

Is that shoelace hanging out of your mouth, or are you just glad to see me?

Here's an article about it from 2009 and from a different county. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24prom-t.html?_r=0

Any other falsehoods of yours I can clear up for you?

 

[kage69]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1334555/reviews

They made a movie about this issue, also in 2009. Maybe you should go Netflix it shady. Takes place in Mississippi though, so your attempts to marginalize and invalidate based on location and date may need a little more work.