Android UI discussion

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I honestly think Apple produced a very good UI for many things. Manufacturers have copied them, and while I don't have an issue, I think some notable UI elements they introduced are top notch and probably best in class:

- Pull to refresh
- iPod circle navigation (look at how Creative tried the scroll wheel, dell with the scroll line, MS with the squircle? I almost barfed at the competing solutions)
- Slide to unlock
- Pinch zoom
- Spinning wheel to set time
- Horizontal launcher that's paginated (the SGS phones blatantly stole from this), and so did some custom launchers. I personally preferred the vertical launcher to differentiate but I guess Google chose to go horizontal starting ICS.

I think Google did some great things with UI too such as the notification bar.

Anyway, to deny that there are some inherent flaws with both sides' UI is absolutely fanboiish. I think we can all agree Apple should step up the game and upgrade its grid of icons UI. Android has been a lagfest and JB really has stepped up the game. Etc. Etc.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I'm trying to wrap my head around what issue you have with this. I already don't give a damn about this UI crap because I prefer alternatives for reasons that don't involve the UI.

The fact is that you're making some sort of big deal of an INCREDIBLY simple UI feature for NO OTHER REASON than to complain about it. Other than it being extremely obvious what its function is, even if you DIDN'T know, it would take all of two seconds where you try and fiddle with it, and VOILA. You've figured it out forever and ever and ever. SO DIFFICULT.

It's a goddamn UI option. Unless Google has options for different styles of list, yes you have to do it that way, unless of course you use alternatives. I'm merely pointing out the fact that its quite obvious how the bar works, and even if it isn't to some, a single touch to the screen will obviously show how it works.

You think this is bad UI design? Android must have the greatest UI designers on the planet if that is the best UI flaw you can think of.

Ever play video games like EYE or X3, or Hearts of Iron? I bet you would bitch for years on forums on how unintuitive the UI is on those games.

Let me show you an article about Google Chrome's tab closing:

http://www.theinvisibl.com/2009/12/08/chrometabs/

This shows an EXCELLENT analysis in thinking about UI and user habits in designing the way that tabs are closed in Google Chrome.

Maybe stuff like this doesn't matter to you, and it seems like you just don't care. If you don't care why are YOU making a big deal out if it? I'm making a big deal out if it because it's one UI flaw that goes to show why Android in itself has had UI issues on the whole.

Clearly, UI doesn't bother you, and little flaws here and there can be ignored. That's fine. But don't tell me my issue is a non issue. If you don't care about a 10 fps lagfest, good for you. I do.

Maybe you shouldn't care about the grid of icons UI also because anyone can work around it.

 

[Red Storm]

I cannot believe certain people are serious when they say "This is ridiculous!" and they're just talking about little arrow icons on a scroll wheel. Seriously? Seriously? I don't mind them at all, in fact it has never, ever, EVER even entered my mind in the history of all the Android devices I've ever used. I am genuinely baffled that some people even think it's an issue.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Let me show you an article about Google Chrome's tab closing:

http://www.theinvisibl.com/2009/12/08/chrometabs/

This shows an EXCELLENT analysis in thinking about UI and user habits in designing the way that tabs are closed in Google Chrome.

Maybe stuff like this doesn't matter to you, and it seems like you just don't care. If you don't care why are YOU making a big deal out if it? I'm making a big deal out if it because it's one UI flaw that goes to show why Android in itself has had UI issues on the whole.

Clearly, UI doesn't bother you, and little flaws here and there can be ignored. That's fine. But don't tell me my issue is a non issue. If you don't care about a 10 fps lagfest, good for you. I do.

Maybe you shouldn't care about the grid of icons UI also because anyone can work around it.

Such a terrible rebuttal.

I don't care that much about tabs because I close them using shortcuts (Ctrl-W by the way). But yes, there are elements in UI where design comes in handy. However, there is absolutely zero connection between what you are claiming and what the link is showing.

The link is showing something that is a continual irritant whenever you close a tab. It will always require extra work to get something done.
The only UI fault you could think of, may or may not have confused someone the very first time they use the UI ever. And if it does, takes 2 seconds to rectify and is never an issue again.
You see the difference in what you are talking about here design wise? One is a continuous failure, while the other is at worse a half second of confusion before you figure it out forever.

YOU presented the argument first. This is a forum, I'm making a fully informed rebuttal to an obviously flawed argument about a non flaw. And you know what? You posted a fairly long post about ARROW KEYS in a number selection window. Do you know how stupid that is?

No, I don't give a damn about most UI. I've used Android phones from the 1.6 days and I didn't give a damn. I can easily go back to a Droid running 2.1,2.2,2.3 and don't give a damn because as long as they're acceptably fast, they do exactly what I want.

In fact, I hate the notion that in order to "smooth" out animations and the UI, they dropped the maximum performance of the UI. I always turn animations and transition effects off. I need performance, not freaking pretty lights and effects. All effects are turned off on my JellyBean phone. Same with my Droid X on Gingerbread/ICS. I could easily go back to my old phones if required. Smoothness is not an issue, performance is.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Such a terrible rebuttal.

I don't care that much about tabs because I close them using shortcuts (Ctrl-W by the way). But yes, there are elements in UI where design comes in handy. However, there is absolutely zero connection between what you are claiming and what the link is showing.

The link is showing something that is a continual irritant whenever you close a tab. It will always require extra work to get something done.

The only UI fault you could think of, may or may not have confused someone the very first time they use the UI ever. And if it does, takes 2 seconds to rectify and is never an issue again.

You see the difference in what you are talking about here design wise? One is a continuous failure, while the other is at worse a half second of confusion before you figure it out forever.

YOU presented the argument first. This is a forum, I'm making a fully informed rebuttal to an obviously flawed argument about a non flaw.

No, I don't give a damn about most UI. I've used Android phones from the 1.6 days and I didn't give a damn. I can easily go back to a Droid running 2.1,2.2,2.3 and don't give a damn because as long as they're acceptably fast, they do exactly what I want.

In fact, I hate the notion that in order to "smooth" out animations and the UI, they dropped the maximum performance of the UI. I always turn animations and transition effects off. I need performance, not freaking pretty lights and effects.

Fair enough. You don't care. If you don't care about all those things I pointed out why do you even feel the need to bash me and others when we have legitimate UI concerns? It doesn't affect you, but you find the need to start flame wars here.

Going back to the case about the ICS time selection, the arrow can be interpreted many ways. Your argument is that it takes 0.5 seconds to figure out or whatever. But why should anyone have to figure out anything like this? It should be clear cut.

Let's look at how ICS works:
- The arrows spin the wheel in the direction of the arrow. It does not refer to the grayed out key above or below the wheel. It's the opposite grayed out item as the arrow dictates.

Let's look at JellyBean:

Google removed the arrows and now you can tap the gray items themselves. So if I tap the gray item above, instead of 8:30, I get 8:29. Previously using the arrows I'd get 8:31 instead of 8:30. I would say that's not consistent.

But it does show something. That there was an issue with the arrows on Google's side and they removed it and flipped the functionality of putting your finger there.

Now I could use your argument and say if I put my finger on the upper part of the wheel, I intend to rotate it upwards, spin it upwards. So why isn't it giving me 8:31 in JellyBean? I could go on and whine too. I like what JB did. I don't think it's inherently confusing to tap the gray area and get that.

The arrow selection in ICS was confusing. It could mean two things. If you don't see it as a spinning wheel and as simply a long tape of text, then yes I would expect the up key selects the value ABOVE the highlighted one. If you use the argument of a spinning wheel spinning up, then I understand. Either way it's open to debate. I'm not gonna say you're wrong for treating it like a wheel. You can't say my interpretation is flat out incorrect. It's the fact that Google most likely recognized there was a possibility for confusion that they removed this and made it a MORE intuitive UI.

No UI is perfect, but I think there's somethings people can do to IMPROVE UI. I was there bashing Nokia when the N97 introduced flick scrolling but had drag scrolling elsewhere. Icons had to be double tapped to launch, etc. It was just unintuitive. UI matters. And if you don't like my complaints thats fine.

It's like some people like to dress well. Some stereotypes of geeks show that they wear oversized free tshirts 24/7 and don't shower and don't care about presentation. Look I don't care which group you fall into but if you don't care, don't bash the ones who do care.

 

[Zaap]

Holy crap dude. Do you ever create meetings? Appointments? Alarms? Automatic time my ass.....

Isn't that was voice commands are for? It's funny, ever since some argument on here (probably about the time Siri came out and iOS users were doing their usual "ITS THE GREATEST THING EVAH!!! EVERYTHING ELSE SUCKS!!!" I've been using voice commands for most of this stuff. Just tell the phone to set an alarm for 12:00am, or an appointment with so-and-so for 9:30. Nothing to it.

And you guys are crazy (as usual) to think any of this is so infinitely better in iOS. The stock calendar for example in iOS is a rudimentary POS. I hate that I can't just get rid of it.

The scroll wheel selector looks great, sure, but is it actually more practical to scroll through 60 numbers rather than just type the number you want? Scroll-select just isn't all that in any case.

Why add scrolling if its confusing?

You must be using a different version of ICS than I am, because on my SGS3 with ICS, date/time dials don't scroll. (Or at least I can't figure out how they scroll). Maybe it's a Touchwiz thing vs. stock, I dunno. I don't even have the grey numbers.

At any rate, honestly, one has to be an idiot to be even the least bit confused about how to increase a number value up or down. Seriously, how does anyone manage to baffle themselves with any of this? Even people I know that are completely tech-clueless can look at something like a date/time selector and figure it out in an eyeblink. It's just not something that requires this much nitpicking and bullshitting over, but then, some people just like to argue about literally EVERYTHING.

 

[halik]

Let me show you an article about Google Chrome's tab closing:

http://www.theinvisibl.com/2009/12/08/chrometabs/

This shows an EXCELLENT analysis in thinking about UI and user habits in designing the way that tabs are closed in Google Chrome.

Maybe stuff like this doesn't matter to you, and it seems like you just don't care. If you don't care why are YOU making a big deal out if it? I'm making a big deal out if it because it's one UI flaw that goes to show why Android in itself has had UI issues on the whole.

Clearly, UI doesn't bother you, and little flaws here and there can be ignored. That's fine. But don't tell me my issue is a non issue. If you don't care about a 10 fps lagfest, good for you. I do.

Maybe you shouldn't care about the grid of icons UI also because anyone can work around it.

Interesting, I always assumed the chrome close button was to minimize acquisition time (ie you read the title and the close button is right where you eyes ended). Never noticed the clever tab sizing before, probably most because I don't use safari and never noticed the annoyance.

I am getting the feeling we're arguing with some highschool kids though, clearly the ideas behind human factors / proper UI design are lost here. If the answer to "here's an example of a really bad UI element" is "omg android you can change anything i don't care what it does because gpu and million cores, you're just too stupid to use it and nitpick on my poor phone that i love oh so very much" then continuing this discourse is idiotic. I don't engage in dogmatic arguments, especially with people that don't know what they're talking about.

 

[halik]

You make some fair points, but at the same time, how is this really any different from iOS or even Windows Phone? The collection of least-bad apps that is.

I haven't used Windows Phone, but I would imagine that, by and large, the default apps are perfectly functional for basic operation. If you want to go beyond that, then it's a matter of trying to find the least crappy app. Some people can develop a nice UI, most people can't. Programming is a very sort of linear and logical task, and UI design is... Well... Not. It's a rare person that can do both well.

I have a number of complaints about the iOS UI, but this is the wrong thread for such things. The point is, that there are plenty of things to dislike about iOS as well as Android, and probably Windows Phone, I just can't personally comment on that.

Well the one thing that apple does well with their API is not letting you put buttons and other controls all over the place. The basic panel with two buttons on top and optional tab pane on the bottom and they do enforce the UI guidelines when people submit apps to the store. This way you sorta force software engineers to use the frameworks that UI people came up with, instead of letting everyone do whatever they feel like it (and most programmers are very horrible at UI - see gimp for example).

I don't actually own an iphone, as mentioned before I've got a Galaxy Nexus, as the 4s seemed like a warmed-over old technology and wasn't gonna get anything w/o LTE. That being said, I still find iOS more polished on the UI front... apple has good engineers and outstanding UI people, google has outstanding engineers.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Isn't that was voice commands are for? It's funny, ever since some argument on here (probably about the time Siri came out and iOS users were doing their usual "ITS THE GREATEST THING EVAH!!! EVERYTHING ELSE SUCKS!!!" I've been using voice commands for most of this stuff. Just tell the phone to set an alarm for 12:00am, or an appointment with so-and-so for 9:30. Nothing to it.

1) I don't think Siri is the greatest thing ever. It's nice to have, but Google has its alternative.

2) We can talk Google Now vs. Siri and there are some clear advantages and disadvantages to each. But that's besides the point.

3) I'm glad you like to use voice commands. I don't really want to hear the guy next to me in his cube talking to his phone with commands. "Remind me to buy condoms." I think the potential of voice commands is with hands free applications like driving or just for showing off to your friends.

4) What's the point in bringing up voice commands? I'm talking about setting the time through the alarm app.[/quote]

And you guys are crazy (as usual) to think any of this is so infinitely better in iOS. The stock calendar for example in iOS is a rudimentary POS. I hate that I can't just get rid of it.

The stock calendar on Android isn't great either. Look at how fuzzybabybunny created thread after thread about his phone can't do xyz. This is a Galaxy Nexus for Christ's sake. A flagship phone. I look at my gf's SGS3 and her Touchwiz calendar is honestly BETTER than my stock Android CM9 calendar.

I'm sure the ICS calendar can use work and so can the iOS calendar, but is this my point? Am I arguing either calendar sucks? No. I use my calendar as a reminder only and to create reminders. I'm sure if people wanted Outlook-level of awesomeness, then both iOS and Android suck. You can't replace your exchange calendar with this Mobile UI.

The scroll wheel selector looks great, sure, but is it actually more practical to scroll through 60 numbers rather than just type the number you want? Scroll-select just isn't all that in any case.

Well what I do like about ICS is it does let you type, and it does let you scroll. I'd say that's a +1 on top of Apple's scroll only UI. However (I'm assuming here), in trying not to copy Apple blatantly, they made it non 3D and then added arrows.

My point is the arrows can be confusing.

Exibit A. Let's take the 8:30 AM example. Say I'm scrolling and I wanted to set my alarm for 8:31 AM. I'm like crap I set my alarm for 8:30. Overscrolled. Maybe it's the way my mind works, but I instinctively see the grayed out "31" below the "30" and I see the down arrow, and I hit down arrow.

Unfortunately it spins the wheel down which selects 8:29. I'm not retarded. I figure this out and probably hit the up arrow twice or scroll again to get to 8:31.

But the point I was making is the arrow can make you think either way.

- Is it acting as a +/- button? It could be. It's acting like it.
- Is it telling me to pick the grayed out number above/below? I certainly thought so.
- Is it spinning the wheel? What wheel? Given its current action it *seems* as it acts as a wheel spinner as Nikolae says, but Google never made this a wheel. To me it's a ticker tape, in which case up/down arrows should refer to up and down the ticker tape.

Those 3 interpretations will result in different operations of the arrow. Like I said, there's a reason Gooogle took this out. In JB you can just tap the grayed out item and it selects that one. So hitting the upper grayed out button does what I wanted it to do. According to Nikolae I'm an idiot for wanting it to do that and not seeing it as a wheel in ICS, so clearly JellyBean is idiotic because it does what he thinks should have been intuitive for me in ICS. Shrug.

Whether or not you prefer one implementation of the arrow or anoter, switching from the ICS to JB experience shows inconsistency. Maybe the UI is better now according to Google, but the point remains that there was obviously a defect to begin with to warrant an adjustment.

You must be using a different version of ICS than I am, because on my SGS3 with ICS, date/time dials don't scroll. (Or at least I can't figure out how they scroll). Maybe it's a Touchwiz thing vs. stock, I dunno. I don't even have the grey numbers.

I'm using CM 9.1 Stable. It's probably like AOSP. Clearly TouchWiz didn't like Google's implementation either.

At any rate, honestly, one has to be an idiot to be even the least bit confused about how to increase a number value up or down. Seriously, how does anyone manage to baffle themselves with any of this? Even people I know that are completely tech-clueless can look at something like a date/time selector and figure it out in an eyeblink. It's just not something that requires this much nitpicking and bullshitting over, but then, some people just like to argue about literally EVERYTHING.

Like I said, UIs should be straight forward. Making people spend too much effort to figure it out is annoying. Inconsistent UIs are annoying. I can find examples of both on both iOS and Android. I pointed out one on Android.

 

[MrX8503]

You have to be kidding me man.I made those widgets look big like that and you can make them look a lot better to fit your needs.

Here is what that app looks like and please tell me what you think.

I also just installed an iPhone theme that took 2 seconds to install and made my gs3 look just like an iOS phone.

Errr...still very bad.

All of these custom UI/skins reminds me of the dark days of WinMo with all of the hideous skins.

 

[Spoooon]

In 4.1 they took away the arrows entirely (better), but there still isn't a proper 3d effect on the panels to suggest you should flick it up down. The faded numbers are still clickable, so the affordance suggests to click the faded number till you get what you want.

I don't know, I like the 2D sort of look JB has got going for it. I don't care necessarily for faux 3D just for the sake of it, which is how I view the use of it in the way you suggest. I think the grayed out numbers offers enough affordance. We can agree to disagree.

My current screen FWIW, little need for weather widgets and stuff due to my current job:

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Errr...still very bad.

Yes I said that the blue text looks out of place. The blue clock especially reminds me of a terribad UI that people used to design when Android 2.0 first came out and the Droid phones just launched. Looks like a 15-16 year old job.

If people want to show off the Android UI, mycolorscreen.com is the perfect example. But those are almost TOO beautiful. I recognize Google has come a long way since 1.6, but 1.6-2.3 were atrocious compared to ICS. I guess some people will never admit that.

 

[halik]

I don't know, I like the 2D sort of look JB has got going for it. I don't care necessarily for faux 3D just for the sake of it, which is how I view the use of it in the way you suggest. I think the grayed out numbers offers enough affordance. We can agree to disagree.

Honestly I think they could've totally gotten away with the affordance if they faded that stuff in a gradient (rather than gray out the other numbers)... I think you need some sort of 3d clue that it's meant to spin. The expected interaction model as it sits would be to click the gray stuff.

 

[cheezy321]

Alright one more child added to my ignore list. Some people are not worth acknowledging.

I just don't get why you would come into this thread and talk about how 'nobody cares' about these UI quirks. There are some people here legitimately discussing issues that they have with how stuff is laid out. That is what this thread is about. Its not about who cares or who doesn't care about these UI quirks. Why come in here and state your opinion that you 'dont care and nobody else should either!' Nothing ever gets solved that way.

As small as the gripe about how to change the date, it is still a legitimate gripe. Just like it is a legitimate gripe that iOS does not have widgets. People would get flamed to hell for saying 'nobody cares about widgets!' and stating it as absolute fact.

 

[Zaap]

I am getting the feeling we're arguing with some highschool kids though, clearly the ideas behind human factors / proper UI design are lost here.

Yawn. You suck at the Internet. Look up Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

It's doubly-lame when the fake authority you're attempting to cite is yourself.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Honestly I think they could've totally gotten away with the affordance if they faded that stuff in a gradient (rather than gray out the other numbers)... I think you need some sort of 3d clue that it's meant to spin.

You know, it doesn't have to be a 3D spinner. I thought of it as a 2D ticker tape that wraps around. Obviously they don't want to copy Apple too much for fear of lawsuit.

That's probably why they had arrows in ICS to suggest you can scroll it, but the tapping arrows + scrolling just led to more confusion.

 

[Zaap]

1)
3) I'm glad you like to use voice commands. I don't really want to hear the guy next to me in his cube talking to his phone with commands. "Remind me to buy condoms." I think the potential of voice commands is with hands free applications like driving or just for showing off to your friends.

4) What's the point in bringing up voice commands? I'm talking about setting the time through the alarm app.

You're a cube-dweller, I have an office.

Why do I care what sets an alarm as long as it's set? And setting an alarm using an alarm app isn't in any way difficult or confusing.

Like I said, UIs should be straight forward. Making people spend too much effort to figure it out is annoying. Inconsistent UIs are annoying. I can find examples of both on both iOS and Android. I pointed out one on Android.

That's just it, virtually NO ONE is confused by anything mentioned here. And once again, seriously, you'd have to be an absolute IDIOT to 'spend to much effort' figuring out setting a date/time using any of these interfaces. All you're doing is arguing for a preference, not making any grand statement about what's really the 'best' way of doing a specific task.

 

[halik]

You know, it doesn't have to be a 3D spinner. I thought of it as a 2D ticker tape that wraps around. Obviously they don't want to copy Apple too much for fear of lawsuit.

That's probably why they had arrows in ICS to suggest you can scroll it, but the tapping arrows + scrolling just led to more confusion.

Yeah I'm certain the date picker wasn't a slot machine spinner for that reason, but the ticker tape thing isn't really all that obvious either. Maybe if they added 2 more rows of numbers even more faded or just do some stylized ticker tape thing; I just don't see the ticker tape metaphor jumping out at me as is.

Similar thing with the 4.1/4.0 vibrate/silent dialog when you hold the power button - first time I used it i went to slide the selection across to the vibrate, it just selected the sound on button. Turns out those things are buttons and the underline to show the selected button is used as scrolling selection indicator in every other context. That thing should be a square around the whole icon to delineate clickability with gray for unselected and blue for selected (radio button style)

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

You're a cube-dweller, I have an office.

Why do I care what sets an alarm as long as it's set? And setting an alarm using an alarm app isn't in any way difficult or confusing.


That's just it, virtually NO ONE is confused by anything mentioned here. And once again, seriously, you'd have to be an absolute IDIOT to 'spend to much effort' figuring out setting a date/time using any of these interfaces. All you're doing is arguing for a preference, not making any grand statement about what's really the 'best' way of doing a specific task.

Like I pointed out. Google showed that much documentation as to WHY the close button on Chrome is on the right side. Yes. It's a freaking close button. Why does it take so much documentation? They clearly thought it out.

I really don't know if you just sit back and design, or whether you work on a specific product or not, but a lot of times design engineers spend hours going over some small features just debating whether A or B makes sense.

But I'm guessing since you just sit in an office, all you do is look at your Gantt and see that your engineers are falling behind so you push them to cut corners. Shrug.

The best way of doing this specific task is the way Apple does it or the JellyBean interface PLUS adding the day of the week. I already addressed this. I told you the ICS interface is flawed and JB fixes this. But to remove what GB had with the day of the week is also a serious flaw.

I never said any of this was difficult. The point is the UI was bad and is one of the MANY UI errors Google made. The argument before was that Froyo, GB, and other legacy Android versions seriously lacked in UI. There was a lack of attention to detail, and while the Google Chrome team did a great job analyzing the close button, clearly this level of detail was NOT addressed in Android. You could blame it on rushing a product out to counter Apple or whatever, but it clearly takes more than some quick scribbling to determine the best UI. You just seem incapable of accepting any flaw on Google's part. Cheezy was right in saying this:

This pretty much sums up every one of your posts in this forum. Nothing wrong with android is ever legitimate. Your team is never wrong.

 

[grkM3]

Yes I said that the blue text looks out of place. The blue clock especially reminds me of a terribad UI that people used to design when Android 2.0 first came out and the Droid phones just launched. Looks like a 15-16 year old job.

If people want to show off the Android UI, mycolorscreen.com is the perfect example. But those are almost TOO beautiful. I recognize Google has come a long way since 1.6, but 1.6-2.3 were atrocious compared to ICS. I guess some people will never admit that.

You do know that blue clock is beautiful widgets and it lets you use any color fonts and styles right?I can choose any fonts and weather styles and make it custom to fit your needs.its not like downloading different clocks its the same app that can look 100 different ways.

Mr85 does not understand that we can make android look identical go iOS and he would still say the ui sucks.

you guys are taking this to the xtreme and dont understand that my original posts were not about how purdy my cell looks and it was to show the power of android using live data widgets over blutooth to elm-obd2 to my cars can bus system and tapping into that and showing it on my display.It was NEVER ment to look good and was an example of what you can do with android in general.

You can change the calender app if you dont like it and I told you this already and having a choice is better than being stuck with what you get.

heck you could even create your own calender if it really bothers you so much.

LOL I just recorded a pull I did in my car and went into the other room and my cell told me it found a panasonic plasma tv and asked if I wanted to let it become linked and I just blasted the 1080p video right to the tv.

I didnt even know I could do this and now it found my onkyo avr and I just played an mp3 song to it over the air.

I think Im sticking to the stock gs3 rom for a while lol

 

[MrX8503]

Mr85 does not understand that we can make android look identical go iOS and he would still say the ui sucks.

Was it supposed to look like iOS? Because it doesn't.

Wrong font, no text padding, wrong font weight, wrong shadows, wrong apps spacing, and Android app icons looks like shit with no retina detail.

Look at the Apple contacts app icon, it has 'a,b,c,d,e,f' tabs. That's called attention to detail.

 

[grkM3]

Was it supposed to look like iOS? Because it doesn't.

Wrong font, no text padding, wrong font weight, wrong shadows, wrong apps spacing, and Android app icons looks like shit with no retina detail.

Look at the Apple contacts app icon, it has 'a,b,c,d,e,f' tabs. That's called attention to detail.

everything you just said can be adjusted and changed and you dont get the point still.

ps the galaxy note has the best retina display and the nexus and gs3 screens make the tiny retina display look like an old tube tv when watching anything with black detail

here ya go carbon copy of ios5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKkrupyFg3s

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Was it supposed to look like iOS? Because it doesn't.

Wrong font, no text padding, wrong font weight, wrong shadows, wrong apps spacing, and Android app icons looks like shit with no retina detail.

Look at the Apple contacts app icon, it has 'a,b,c,d,e,f' tabs. That's called attention to detail.

You know, I'd never noticed that until 5 seconds ago. And guess what? It doesn't make me dislike iOS any less. Because I still dislike it for the crappy way the buttons are placed on the UI relative to the home button, for the inconsistencies of said buttons, for the lack of widgets, for the way you can't get homescreens to loop, and for dozens of other things. Seriously, the only things I like about the iPhone 4 I'm currently using are the display and the sound quality.

 

[Spoooon]

You do know that blue clock is beautiful widgets and it lets you use any color fonts and styles right?I can choose any fonts and weather styles and make it custom to fit your needs.its not like downloading different clocks its the same app that can look 100 different ways.

Mr85 does not understand that we can make android look identical go iOS and he would still say the ui sucks.

you guys are taking this to the xtreme and dont understand that my original posts were not about how purdy my cell looks and it was to show the power of android using live data widgets over blutooth to elm-obd2 to my cars can bus system and tapping into that and showing it on my display.It was NEVER ment to look good and was an example of what you can do with android in general.

I picked up what you were putting down.

 

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Yes. It's a freaking close button.

Exactly. Only a raving loon goes off on multi-page tangents about such things.

What the hell is so great about the close button in Chrome? In fact, I use Chrome every day and I don't even know what the hell you're talking about. The little x that you click to close a tab? The same UI element that's on every other computer application and interface for the last 20 years now?

I really don't know if you just sit back and design, or whether you work on a specific product or not, but a lot of times design engineers spend hours going over some small features just debating whether A or B makes sense.

But I'm guessing since you just sit in an office, all you do is look at your Gantt and see that your engineers are falling behind so you push them to cut corners. Shrug.

I don't know if you're actually capable of employment, but I'm guessing that since such simple things always seem to bamboozle you, you're one of those people that would get assigned to do something, and rather than do it within a reasonable deadline you can't even get it started, as the slightest minute detail sends you into a ranting frenzy. You expect 200 page documents on how to use a close button, and an encyclopedia set explaining a simple time/date interface. You think it's being some sort of 'design savant' while your boss sees it for what it is: useless bullshitter.

You just seem incapable of accepting any flaw on Google's part.

No, I just notice the same 3 of you Team-iOS bullshitters label things flaws that aren't, and you just bullshit endlessly about how your preference must be the only possible way of doing something. This is along the same lines as your rants over the shape of product packaging and other such bullshitter tangents.


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