Android isn't good enough for Dell

[Bateluer]

Its not just about overall market share -what about their own performance? Do you know anyone that bought the Dell android phones? Meanwhile the Venue Pro was very well received. I wouldn't be surprised if they sold more Venue Pros than Venues.

Lots of devices are well received and get solid reviews, doesn't necessarily mean its going to get high sales. Archos's G9 tablet, the 8in OMAP4 model, was reviewed very positively by Engadget earlier, but I'm going to wager it'll sell poorly compared to even other Android tablets.

 

[dougp]

Ah, civility.

I state only facts. Always have.

Huh? You claim to state facts, yet admitted earlier that you can't prove that Microsoft provided compensation to Dell for going to WP7.

You're arguably the worst troll out here Bateluer - you go into any mobile thread and spread your Android "facts" while ignoring what the other OSes and their accompanied devices provide to the industry. For you, it's Android or bust, despite what others say or prove to you.

 

[Bateluer]

Huh? You claim to state facts, yet admitted earlier that you can't prove that Microsoft provided compensation to Dell for going to WP7.

You're arguably the worst troll out here Bateluer - you go into any mobile thread and spread your Android "facts" while ignoring what the other OSes and their accompanied devices provide to the industry. For you, it's Android or bust, despite what others say or prove to you.

In case you didn't actually read this thread, it wasn't me who first noted the Dell likely received financial incentives from MS, it was implied by poofyhairguy and that flatly stated two posts later by Brian Stirling.

Everything I've stated about Android, WP7, Dell, and MS in this thread is true, or very likely true, and has been noted by others in various threads.

If you cannot discuss things civilly, remove yourself from the Internet. We've enough retards.

 

[Compddd]

Sounds great! I love WP7 and would like to see more handsets available for it.

 

[JD50]

McDonalds is the number one restuarant in the world..

Wal-Mart is the number one retail store in the world...

Aren't you two always going on about the iPhone selling more than any single Android phone? Make up your mind.



Edit - Haha, and Cheezy's always complaining about "phandroids" trolling.

 

[dougp]

In case you didn't actually read this thread, it wasn't me who first noted the Dell likely received financial incentives from MS, it was implied by poofyhairguy and that flatly stated two posts later by Brian Stirling.

Everything I've stated about Android, WP7, Dell, and MS in this thread is true, or very likely true, and has been noted by others in various threads.

If you cannot discuss things civilly, remove yourself from the Internet. We've enough retards.

Hey, I stated a fact too - and I didn't do it uncivilly. All you do is ride around the Android's little kangaroo pouch.

 

[Deeko]

Lots of devices are well received and get solid reviews, doesn't necessarily mean its going to get high sales. Archos's G9 tablet, the 8in OMAP4 model, was reviewed very positively by Engadget earlier, but I'm going to wager it'll sell poorly compared to even other Android tablets.

Sure - and I'm not saying it outsold the Samsung Focus (although I would argue their decision to not sell through the carrier stores probably impacted that more than the quality of the phone), but they did have shortages when it was released, so someone was buying. My point is that it probably sold better than the Android-based Dell Venue, which to them, is the more important metric.

 

[lothar]

Well. From a usability standpoint, WP7 IS better than Android. It has a fraction of the market share of course, but that doesn't speak to functionality. So it's not like they're wrong.

Android has more functionality than WP7.
Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[dougp]

Android has more functionality than WP7.
Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Functionality, or customization?

 

[lothar]

Functionality, or customization?

Both are interchangable.

 

[dougp]

Both are interchangable.

Not really. The functionality is there in WP7, the apps, live tiles and the most important thing, the phone FUNCTION. But you can only customize colors, unlike Android.

 

[Red Storm]

Both are interchangable.

Yep, greater customization provides greater functionality. Having used iOS, WP7, and Android - all for at least a few months - in my humble opinion, Android is the "best" because I can customize the phone to my liking, and not just from a visual aspect, but useability as well.

WP7 ain't bad though (it's more to my liking than iOS), it's too bad its marketshare is so low, it should really be higher.

 

[Zaap]

I'm going to take a wild guess here and suggest M$ made Dell a deal they couldn't refuse. How much did it cost M$ to get Verizon to lock out Google search and go with Bing instead?

Follow the money!

I had the same thought. It would make perfect sense that M$ would view having Dell's support as crucial to WP7's further acceptance, and I wouldn't put it past them to dish out the bucks to make sure Dell is on board.

Personally, I'm not enamored by Dell. I'm sure they make some great stuff, but in my own (yes, I concede anecdotal) experience, over the years they've been second only to HP in the amount of headaches and calamities their wares have caused for friends/co-workers/family of mine using Dell hardware.

So do I personally care what's 'good enough' for a company that's not good enough for me? Not really.

 

[lothar]

Not really. The functionality is there in WP7, the apps, live tiles and the most important thing, the phone FUNCTION. But you can only customize colors, unlike Android.

What does WP7 have that Android or iOS don't already have besides live tiles and office/outlook integration?
What phone "FUNCTION" does WP7 have that Android or iOS don't already have?

You think apps on WP7 is a functionality advantage over Android?
I have an ocean front property to sell you in Chad.
WP7 is nowhere close to iOS or Android in app functionality.

Being able to only customize colors on WP7 is an advantage over Android?
That's a good thing to you?
"But you can only customize colors, unlike Android..."[which allows you to do much more, everything else, or insert whatever verbiage you want to put here, et al.]
Your statement sounds like an advantage to Android for me. I agree with it.

You can customize almost anything you want on Android...By customizing, you are also increasing the functionality.
There are lots of apps that increases functionality of Android as well...WP7 doesn't have the app market luxury that Android and iOS has, so you can't gloat about that yet.

 

[dougp]

What does WP7 have that Android or iOS don't already have besides live tiles and office/outlook integration?
What phone "FUNCTION" does WP7 have that Android or iOS don't already have?

You think apps on WP7 is a functionality advantage over Android?
I have an ocean front property to sell you in Chad.
WP7 is nowhere close to iOS or Android in app functionality.

Being able to only customize colors on WP7 is an advantage over Android?
That's a good thing to you?
"But you can only customize colors, unlike Android..."[which allows you to do much more, everything else, or insert whatever verbiage you want to put here, et al.]
Your statement sounds like an advantage to Android for me. I agree with it.

You can customize almost anything you want on Android...By customizing, you are also increasing the functionality.
There are lots of apps that increases functionality of Android as well...WP7 doesn't have the app market luxury that Android and iOS has, so you can't gloat about that yet.

I don't think you understood what I said. The functionality is a phone and apps. Both have them - the huge difference is customization. That's where Android beats out both iOS and WP7.

 

[Deeko]

What does WP7 have that Android or iOS don't already have besides live tiles and office/outlook integration?
What phone "FUNCTION" does WP7 have that Android or iOS don't already have?

You think apps on WP7 is a functionality advantage over Android?
I have an ocean front property to sell you in Chad.
WP7 is nowhere close to iOS or Android in app functionality.

You already touched on Office integration, but WP7 also integrates with other MS services - Zune pass music, XBox live, Office, SkyDrive. If those things don't matter to you - that's fine, but those are unique features. Also, things are just more integrated with WP7. I technically have a Facebook and Twitter app, for example, but I never use them, because its so much cleaner to just access feeds via the People hub.

Being able to only customize colors on WP7 is an advantage over Android?
That's a good thing to you?
"But you can only customize colors, unlike Android..."[which allows you to do much more, everything else, or insert whatever verbiage you want to put here, et al.]
Your statement sounds like an advantage to Android for me. I agree with it.

You can customize almost anything you want on Android...By customizing, you are also increasing the functionality.
There are lots of apps that increases functionality of Android as well...WP7 doesn't have the app market luxury that Android and iOS has, so you can't gloat about that yet.

Settle down, that's what he was saying. He said you can customize more in Android. Hence the use of the word "only", indicating it was a limitation.

 

[lothar]

I don't think you understood what I said. The functionality is a phone and apps. Both have them - the huge difference is customization. That's where Android beats out both iOS and WP7.

You don't believe that customization can increase functionality?

It can obviously, which was why I stated that both are interchangeable.
The people that root, flash ROMS, etc...do so to increase functionality.

 

[poofyhairguy]

YES! Android/WP7 throw down! Time for some variety after the 4GS slugmatch!

Someone talk about unauthorized tethering! Someone talk about smoothness vs hardware choices! Customization vs System Integration! Tiles vs Widgets!!!!

Honestly from my experience Android and WP7 feel like opposite ends of the spectrum- like comparing Apple and Oranges (no pun). WP7 feels like a really nice smartphone, that gives an optimal experience out of the box but with the ceiling of a smartphone. Android feels like a computer that is begrudgingly slumming in your pocket as a phone. iOS bridges the gap with both the walled garden approach in the jail and a customize till you drop attitude outside of it. Different things for different people.

 

[Deeko]

Different things for different people.

Exactly. Best response in this threa so far. Fanboys have it in their heads that their product of choice is the undisputed "best", and they are wrong. Each of the major platforms offer distinct advantages that appeal to different people, and it is a better market for that reason.

Along the same lines, different platforms appeal to different hardware manufacturers, too. So while Android might be a no brainer for HTC, maybe Dell has legitimate reasons for choosing another platform. People don't understand that this doesn't amount to a personal insult to them....

 

[WelshBloke]

Meh, Dell has always made crappy smartphones.

 

[alent1234]

dell only makes stuff where you can slap somse pre-made parts together, add some basic software customization and brand it. smartphones and tablets require a lot more work and dell isn't good at this.

we're still early in the smartphone wave. give it a few years for the best new phones to drop to $299 with no contract on release and Windows Phone to gain some traction and dell may shine again

 

[Fire&Blood]

Dell won't be relevant in the WP7 market either: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/10/shocker-microsoft-to-produce-dual-core-lte-windows-phones-oth/

Smart choice. LTE simply can't be integrated well with existing tech.

Dual core bump also means the display resolution limit will get a bump too.

Temporarily the hardware will be equal to Android when this occurs. I am betting they will stay with Qualcomm as the hardware platform for at least one more cycle, likely for the S4 LTE chips.

How's Dell going to compete against the refined selection of HTC and Samsung when both are set to adopt the spec bump as well?

 

[hanoverphist]

Dell's following the money, Microsoft needs players to make WP7 devices. And without dropping truckloads of money on their door steps or filing a plethora of frivolous lawsuits, the handset makers wouldn't make WP7 devices after their first attempts had flat sales.

any kind of advertising would have been a good thing. as it was, it seemed most of the focus was put on android because they assumed they would make money. they automatically felt they wouldnt make money on wp7 so they didnt even try. how many ad pushes did you see for ANY wp7 phones from the big three? it wass all android fever, then "ip5" fever. there has never been a showing from any of the big companies showing support or even the willingness to advertise they had wp7 phones.

Nope. There was a lot of buzz here about the Dell Venue Pro though, before it was released. Seems to have faded though. Bit of a gauge to see how a product is, there'll be a lot of hype on these forums about it. If 6 months after its released, people are still raving about it(SGS2), its probably a good product. If not, like with most WP7 phones, probably not such a good product.

all 4 or 5 people here that actually took the plunge and got wp7 phones have yet to post huge negatives about the OS or phone experience. there are things i am not really liking about the wp7 world, but im still very interested in it so i read up on it whenever new stuff pops up. overall i feel like the reviews here have all been more positive than negative. especially since mango popped up.

 

[Fire&Blood]

I thought this thread was about freaking Dell.

My HD2, a 2009 phone runs WP7 faster than Sensation does Gingerbread.
Go spend 2 objective minutes with the Titan or Focus S before you judge WP7.
Android still has ways to go with UI interaction improvements and even when we catch up, WP7 isn't going anywhere and their significance will only increase from now on.

 

[cheezy321]

Market research firm discounted that a couple weeks back. The total number of all Android based devices, all versions, is greater than the combined numbers of iOS devices. iPod and iPads included. Obviously, there's a lot of junk devices in the Android totals though, not all of them are good or even decent devices.

Ah, civility.

I rarely state only facts. Always have.

FTFY

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apple-250-million-ios-devices-sold/

http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/1...worldwide-thats-about-576900-a-day-since-may/

I guess you can keep on believing your 'market research firm', but I prefer to get my facts straight from the horse's mouth.