Android 2.2 WILL come with flash

[QueBert]

lol. Flash on a phone is the biggest thing in the industry right now. If Apple was getting it first you'd be going apeshit crazy with joy. But since Android is getting it..... oh its not even a big deal. Why would anyone want that, right? Predictable.

Wrong wrong wrong, I had Flash Lite on a Erisson phone and hated it. Flash doesn't belong on mobile devices when so much of the content can easily bring a C2D to it's knees. Have fun with it on a PHONE with a puny CPU. People are in for shock when they see how how poorly it'll perform. Hell Flash Lite was slower than shit on my Sony phone and that wasn't even full blown Flash.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Wrong wrong wrong, I had Flash Lite on a Erisson phone and hated it. Flash doesn't belong on mobile devices when so much of the content can easily bring a C2D to it's knees. Have fun with it on a PHONE with a puny CPU. People are in for shock when they see how how poorly it'll perform. Hell Flash Lite was slower than shit on my Sony phone and that wasn't even full blown Flash.

A piss poor argument for banning it from the platform. I'd prefer bad flash over no flash.

 

[QueBert]

A piss poor argument for banning it from the platform. I'd prefer bad flash over no flash.

And I prefer a phone that doesn't crash, Flash Lite made my Ericcson crash at least 3 times a day. Flash on a phone would be great if it was decent, people who want Flash on a phone haven't used a phone with Flash. Granted this Ericcson phone was 2 years old. But Adobe has the worst programmers in the world and I have zero faith this will be even remotely good. Hell they can't even get fucking Flash to run well on a high end Mac. Apple doesn't have Flash because they don't want their phones to crash all day, call me silly but I agree with their stance. I guess Flash that runs like shit might be better than no Flash to some *shrug*

 

[vshah]

fyi the flash that is coming out is not flash lite. its flash 10.1, which is hardware accelerated. flash lite sucked, i agree

 

[QueBert]

fyi the flash that is coming out is not flash lite. its flash 10.1, which is hardware accelerated. flash lite sucked, i agree

And if Adobe could royally fuck up a LIGHT version of Flash there's no hope they can get a full blown version to work right. I was just on OSX and and watching a youtube video in 720p resulted in a 10FPS slide show. Yet people think this same company will somehow magically have Flash running well on a fucking phone. lol. Adobe SUCKS BAD. If Hell freezes over and it ever comes to the iPhone I won't be upgrading mine, no fucking way.

 

[Pliablemoose]

LOL, seeing Flash on a phone will be interesting.

I do tend to agree with Q though, I have a funny feeling it's not gonna be pretty.

 

[zerocool84]

Wrong wrong wrong, I had Flash Lite on a Erisson phone and hated it. Flash doesn't belong on mobile devices when so much of the content can easily bring a C2D to it's knees. Have fun with it on a PHONE with a puny CPU. People are in for shock when they see how how poorly it'll perform. Hell Flash Lite was slower than shit on my Sony phone and that wasn't even full blown Flash.

Who would have thought that an older slower phone would not be able to run flash great??? That's a revelation!!! We all know the ONLY reason you hate flash is cus you're an Apple fanatic and since you can't get it you HAVE to hate it or else you'll disappoint Jobs and we all know you can't let that happen. You also say you never use multi-tasking on your jailbroken phone don't know why anyone would want to multi-task on their phone. Can't disappoint him.

 

[Bateluer]

And if Adobe could royally fuck up a LIGHT version of Flash there's no hope they can get a full blown version to work right. I was just on OSX and and watching a youtube video in 720p resulted in a 10FPS slide show. Yet people think this same company will somehow magically have Flash running well on a fucking phone. lol. Adobe SUCKS BAD. If Hell freezes over and it ever comes to the iPhone I won't be upgrading mine, no fucking way.

While I'm not Adobe's biggest fan, Flash 10.1 seems to run pretty well on single core Atom CPUs on netbooks. Adobe's been putting in some work to optimize it, I believe.

Just because Apple and Jobs say you don't need a feature, doesn't mean that you have to follow the company line. I use multitasking all the time on my Droid, multiple apps are running pretty much 24/7. Like it or not, Android has the momentum of a freight train and is outgrowing everything else in that market right now.

 

[atreader]

In 2002 I made a Flash based restaurant POS software application for Windows Pocket PC. Which ran fine on Windows Mobile too. The waiters were able to comfortably use it with fingers (no need of stylus). At that time there were some gotchas in Flash+windows mobile combination. Once you know them then it was easy to make the application. With Flash on Android I'm confident that I will be able to easily port my application to Android with minor tweaks.
I'm not a Adobe/macromedia Flash fan but the thing is that there is no easy alternative to it and what it does. HTML5 isn't there yet.

Making flash based ads is just asking for getting blocked.

 

[dwell]

Got in the Flash 10.1 beta, just waiting to get an Incredible tomorrow to test (R&D not personal). Already seen live demos of 10.1 on the N1 but can't go into details.

 

[rudeguy]

Got in the Flash 10.1 beta, just waiting to get an Incredible tomorrow to test (R&D not personal). Already seen live demos of 10.1 on the N1 but can't go into details.

I signed up but didn't get an email??

 

[dguy6789]

Uhh, it is coming out for the 3G genius. Besides, it technically got the 3.x and will be getting the 4.x upgrades, whereas we are talking about going from like 2.1 or 1.5 to 2.2 in this case....not exactly apples to..apples heh

There are no Android 2.0 or 2.1 devices that are not getting 2.2. The only devices that have a chance of not getting 2.2 are some 1.5 devices. Although to my knowledge, every Android device ever made was going to get Android at least up to 2.1 or 2.2, just some of the lesser devices might not support or run Flash.

The jump from Android 1.5 to 2.2 is at least as large as the jump from the original iPhone OS to 4.0, so I don't see how it is not apples to apples. Don't let the version numbers fool you.

As for the iPhone 3G and iPhone OS 4.0. Apple is giving it to it in a matter of speaking, but they are taking out the main reason to ever upgrade to it. iPhone 3G will run iPhone OS 4.0 with the primary difference between 4.0 and the previous version removed. Comparing iPhone OS 4.0 on a 3G to iPhone OS 4.0 on a 3GS is like comparing Windows Vista Starter Edition to Windows 7 Professional. They don't have a technically legitimate reason for blocking this either, they are artificially doing it to get people to buy a new phone. Not to mention the original iPhone won't get to run the new OS at all.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-no-multitasking-for-iphone-3g-and-second-gen-ipod/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/multitasking-comes-to-iphone-os-4-0/

http://blog.eches.net/iphone/no-full-iphone-os-4-0-upgrade-for-iphone-3g-and-ipod-touch-2g/

http://mashable.com/2010/04/12/iphone-2g-no-4-0/

http://www.onlykent.com/20100408/iphone-os-4-0-multitasking-not-for-3g-or-below/

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/32513/iphone3-3g-no-multitasking-update

 

[dwell]

I signed up but didn't get an email??

I don't think it's in public beta or invite beta yet. Some companies with massive investments in Flash are getting in early.

 

[rudeguy]

I don't think it's in public beta or invite beta yet. Some companies with massive investments in Flash are getting in early.

oh...gotcha.

 

[TheWart]

There are no Android 2.0 or 2.1 devices that are not getting 2.2. The only devices that have a chance of not getting 2.2 are some 1.5 devices. Although to my knowledge, every Android device ever made was going to get Android at least up to 2.1 or 2.2, just some of the lesser devices might not support or run Flash.

The jump from Android 1.5 to 2.2 is at least as large as the jump from the original iPhone OS to 4.0, so I don't see how it is not apples to apples. Don't let the version numbers fool you.

As for the iPhone 3G and iPhone OS 4.0. Apple is giving it to it in a matter of speaking, but they are taking out the main reason to ever upgrade to it. iPhone 3G will run iPhone OS 4.0 with the primary difference between 4.0 and the previous version removed. Comparing iPhone OS 4.0 on a 3G to iPhone OS 4.0 on a 3GS is like comparing Windows Vista Starter Edition to Windows 7 Professional. They don't have a technically legitimate reason for blocking this either, they are artificially doing it to get people to buy a new phone. Not to mention the original iPhone won't get to run the new OS at all.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-no-multitasking-for-iphone-3g-and-second-gen-ipod/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/multitasking-comes-to-iphone-os-4-0/

http://blog.eches.net/iphone/no-full-iphone-os-4-0-upgrade-for-iphone-3g-and-ipod-touch-2g/

http://mashable.com/2010/04/12/iphone-2g-no-4-0/

http://www.onlykent.com/20100408/iphone-os-4-0-multitasking-not-for-3g-or-below/

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/32513/iphone3-3g-no-multitasking-update

You think that Android 1.5 to 2.x is as big a jump as iphoneOS 1.x to 4.x? You think it is fair/fine to G1 owners that they dont get 2.x?

 

[Spoooon]

You think that Android 1.5 to 2.x is as big a jump as iphoneOS 1.x to 4.x? You think it is fair/fine to G1 owners that they dont get 2.x?

Are you asking if or implying that he suggested it's fair or fine?

 

[dguy6789]

There's a world of difference between Android 1.5 and 2.1, so yes.

It would be nice if everyone got all of the updates but I understand why that doesn't happen. There has to be some kind of cutoff point for having a new OS on older hardware due to advancements in the OS requiring different or better hardware. The G1 and iPhone 1 are pretty archaic in comparison to today's devices. It's understandable that they won't get the latest OS.

 

[notposting]

I think the problem with Flash on a C2D is the crappy OS it's running on :sneaky:. I don't have problems with Windows crashing and running slow with Flash. And Flash Lite works quite nicely on my Motorola Android phone :awe:.

 

[rudeguy]

so the Apple fanbois have gone from, "I can't wait for flash" to "Android will never get flash" to "flash sucks" to "flash is ok but Android sucks because the people with old ass phones won't get the upgrade" to "Its not that much of an upgrade"???

Just admit that Steve screwed you and that Android has the edge now.

 

[TheWart]

so the Apple fanbois have gone from, "I can't wait for flash" to "Android will never get flash" to "flash sucks" to "flash is ok but Android sucks because the people with old ass phones won't get the upgrade" to "Its not that much of an upgrade"???

Just admit that Steve screwed you and that Android has the edge now.

That might be what the oft-invoked "fanbois" claim...but more reasonable observers might say that flash for android probably will not be the panacea that many here hope it will be, and that by and large, the lack of flash on mobile devices hasn't really hurt people all that much. I would venture that the vast majority of people can access all of their regular browsing websites without flash - either through html5, mobile versions, independent apps, etc etc.

While I think Apple should make flash an option on the iPhone, I for one have only missed its existence one or two times (when trying to get a restaurant's menu).

As for admitting that "Android has the edge," I just can't help but laugh at how pathetic and personal some of the posters here get when talking about different computing platforms. Each of them has their advantages and disadvantages...I like the iPhone b/c it does everything i need out of the box - no need to root my phone every time I want some upgrade that my carrier isn't pushing out. Oh burrrnnn, doesn't android suck now?!??!

lol. I mean just use the phone that you like the best, but don't try to convince everyone that Android is objectively better than the iPhone OS on all fronts and that anyone who doesn't agree is merely an idiot. It makes you look foolish.

 

[rudeguy]

I agree that there have not been that many times that I have missed flash but then again, how can you miss something you don't have?

At this point its just something to shut the Apple fanbois up. Steve decided that none of them can have it and Android is opening it up to basically all Android devices. My crappy little myTouch will be able to do even more things that iPhones can't.

But then again...I'm going to retire my phone whenever a phone comes out that I am interested in. That phone WILL have flash, a huge screen and whatever other bells and whistles are out then...

 

[dguy6789]

I want flash for the following reasons: The Onion Radio, Hulu, and Flash Games. I think that's plenty of reason to miss Flash.

There are thousands of Flash Games out there now, more than is in any smartphone app store. Some might work great on a phone, some not so great. The main point is that at the very least you'll be able to try now. There are tons of slow paced flash games that shouldn't have much of an issue. Besides this, Flash game developers might(probably will) design flash games catered towards smartphones.

 

[rudeguy]

and yeah wart...I do agree. We all do get a bit defensive about our preferences. I made this thread about Android getting flash and it took less than 10 replies for an Apple fanboi to come in and threadcrap. That's what started this whole thing.

 

[TheWart]

I want flash for the following reasons: The Onion Radio, Hulu, and Flash Games. I think that's plenty of reason to miss Flash.

There are thousands of Flash Games out there now, more than is in any smartphone app store. Some might work great on a phone, some not so great. The main point is that at the very least you'll be able to try now. There are tons of slow paced flash games that shouldn't have much of an issue. Besides this, Flash game developers might(probably will) design flash games catered towards smartphones.

Fair enough, but let's take a look at two of your pillars: Hulu and games. By all accounts, Hulu is set to release an app - are you telling me that you really would browse to the Hulu site rather than use their iphone or android app? I think not. As for games, I would contend that the number of quality games (both free and paid) easily rivals and in most cases surpasses your average flash game. Of course, that is my opinion, but there are waaay more than enough free yet surprisingly fun games for the iphone that I don't miss any flash game.

 

[Deeko]

What's wrong with some of you Apple trolls? You're getting more vile and ridiculous with each passing day. Did they raise the rent under the bridge or something?