Andrew Luck vs RG3

[eits]

I was led here from the pwnage of the year thread, and I have to say you're making a pretty strong case for being the winner.

Truthfully, reading your posts takes me back to the days of rabid and willfully blind Tim Tebow fans.

Luck overrated? *snicker* Matthew Stafford is over rated. Luck is a damn good QB.

It's funny that you sat that, because I think Andrew Luck is just like Matt Stafford.

 

[PimpJuice]

"having been there and being a former doctor to a couple of the players and former official chiropractor and physical therapy provider to the redskins, i have some first-hand knowledge"

Why would you be a doctor to a couple of the players? You're just a chiropractor, why would they come to you for medical advice when they have actual doctors on staff? Also, why are you a "former" doctor and "former official chiropractor"? If you say the teams trainers and doctors are terrible, why did they get rid of you? Are you sure you aren't just bitter that they got rid of you? Not that I believe any of it regardless.

After this thread of yours, I would like to call for a new official ATOT chiropractor and think you should remove the title from your signature.

 

[eits]

I gotta do it a 3rd...shit, I dunno, 5th time?

I gotta quote this again.

sorry, bro.


Russell Wilson was paid 1/10th of what RG3 was paid this year (~$526,217 vs $5.1mill) and is officially valued (by beloved patriot idiocy--you know, all those draft pics they gave up) at, shit...I dunno, 1/1000th? of the value of RG3. How do you calculate selling your future for one dude? Let's go with 1/1000th. that seems fair.


How many Superbowls and conference championships and such does RG3 have?

Go back and read what I wrote about Wilson yesterday.

 

[eits]

If he did not prove anything, then what is the argument here? You beat the teams that you are suppose to beat. There are many teams that can't do that. Redskins haven't beaten anything this year but themselves. Good QB's elevate their teams. Andrew Luck has been getting the Cults wins. That's all that matters.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/27/andrew-luck-struggles-to-be-great/#

Pay close attention to the last paragraph.

That's what I'm trying to say, but all you people are hearing is that I'm saying that Andrew Luck sucks, which he doesn't. He just hasn't proven himself to be as good as everyone claims he is.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Wilson > Luck > > > RG3 up to this point. I think RG3 has the physical tools to be as good as Wilson, but I don't see it ever happening as his attitude and what seems to be unwavering support from Redskins ownership will never allow him to push himself.

 

[smackababy]

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/27/andrew-luck-struggles-to-be-great/#

Pay close attention to the last paragraph.

That's what I'm trying to say, but all you people are hearing is that I'm saying that Andrew Luck sucks, which he doesn't. He just hasn't proven himself to be as good as everyone claims he is.

So, you read one article on why Andrew Luck isn't that great, and believe he hasn't proven it. Yet, you champion RG3, who has only proven to be a bust.

Sense, you make none.

Wilson > Luck > > > RG3 up to this point. I think RG3 has the physical tools to be as good as Wilson, but I don't see it ever happening as his attitude and what seems to be unwavering support from Redskins ownership will never allow him to push himself.

He needs and organization and a coaching staff that can coach him. Unfortunately, that isn't happening in Washington. They treated him like the second coming of Christ, and he acts like it. Not a huge surprise he, and the organization, aren't a success.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

That's what I'm trying to say, but all you people are hearing is that I'm saying that Andrew Luck sucks, which he doesn't. He just hasn't proven himself to be as good as everyone claims he is.

Ok, let's get down to the nitty gritty here. Answer this question:

Is Andrew Luck better than RG3?

P.S. The author of that article is a moron.

 

[Genx87]

Given what he has to work with I think Luck is great. That article is really nitpicking. I think we can all agree Manning is great. Luck is very similar to Manning through their first three years.

Luck
Rating - 86.3
Yards - 12797
TD - 84
Int - 43
Comp % - 58.5

Manning
Rating - 85.33
Yards - 12287
TD - 85
Int - 58
Comp % - 60.43%

 

[mvbighead]

It's funny that you sat that, because I think Andrew Luck is just like Matt Stafford.

This doesn't even compute.

* - Luck is not throwing to the greatest receiver of all time (Megatron).
* - Luck is not touted as having one of the strongest arms of all time.
* - Luck is not deemed 'a gun slinger.'

What Luck does do is manage most games very effectively. He runs either when he as to or when the opening is simply there, Stafford is not much of a runner. Luck is a more a precision passer who simply has a game or two where his throws are off more so than others.

I don't know how one can even begin to compare Luck to Stafford. Cam Newton is probably a more common comparison, as both run when they have to or when there is room. Both have strong arms, but not what the NFL considers top arm talent ala Stafford or Jamarcus Russell. And, when looking at last season, both has a 5-9 field stretcher (Smith/Hilton) and some fairly good complements underneath. They both have off days, and Cam hasn't been healthy this year which makes the comparison this year a not so good one, but by and large, Luck's game has very little in common with Stafford's.

 

[Muse]

Russell Wilson is a great QB right now, no doubt, and I think he's the blueprint going forward for some prospects. He's hard to contain, throws well on the run, doesn't get rattled. The Seahawks' scrambling approach to offense is killing defenses. Doesn't hurt that he has probably the most dangerous running back in the game right next to him.

My impression of RG3 and Luck comparison is that RG3 isn't as big and tough, and probably as smart as Luck. Injuries have been taking their toll on RG3.

Wilson, being the small guy he is, is apt to get injured eventually. I think over their career, that Luck will come out the best. Wilson could, but the probability that injuries will curtail his career are greater. Luck is not only big and strong, he's really smart, and I think he's very tough minded as well.

 

[Childs]

My impression of RG3 and Luck comparison is that RG3 isn't as big and tough, and probably as smart as Luck. Injuries have been taking their toll on RG3.

I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it. He had a 3.7 at Baylor. His problems do seem mental though. He built himself up marketing wise like the Lebron James of the NFL, but now he can't back it up due to the injuries. And the situation with both head coaches and the Kirk Cousins thing. His only chance is to leave Washington and start over, but more than likely he's already done.

 

[smackababy]

I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it. He had a 3.7 at Baylor. His problems do seem mental though. He built himself up marketing wise like the Lebron James of the NFL, but now he can't back it up due to the injuries. And the situation with both head coaches and the Kirk Cousins thing. His only chance is to leave Washington and start over, but more than likely he's already done.

It wasn't so much him building the hype though. Washington bet the farm on him, and even if he was the second coming of PFM, that is hardly worth it. Washington lost a ton to get RG3 and that meant they couldn't continue to build around him. And, with the coaching the way it is, who knows what is going to happen. Revolving door HC organizations don't do well.

I think if you put RG3 on a decent team with a good coaching staff, he would do fine. Putting him into a position where he is the savior of the city, as a rookie, and then doing nothing to further that team is good for nobodies career.

Cam Newton had pretty much the opposite start. He was brought in to a terrible team with the expectation that it would take time to build around him. He is being used poorly (making him run is going to kill his career), but he has been given a chance to develop and humble. RG3 needs that.

 

[Childs]

It wasn't so much him building the hype though. Washington bet the farm on him, and even if he was the second coming of PFM, that is hardly worth it. Washington lost a ton to get RG3 and that meant they couldn't continue to build around him. And, with the coaching the way it is, who knows what is going to happen. Revolving door HC organizations don't do well.

I think if you put RG3 on a decent team with a good coaching staff, he would do fine. Putting him into a position where he is the savior of the city, as a rookie, and then doing nothing to further that team is good for nobodies career.

Cam Newton had pretty much the opposite start. He was brought in to a terrible team with the expectation that it would take time to build around him. He is being used poorly (making him run is going to kill his career), but he has been given a chance to develop and humble. RG3 needs that.

Yeah, they gave up too much to get him, which also adds to the pressure to be elite. He was good that first year...better than Luck. Without his speed he will never be that again though.

 

[LevelSea]

RG3 is a bum.

 

[Retro Rob]

It's funny that you sat that, because I think Andrew Luck is just like Matt Stafford.

**Chokes**

What? In what way? Luck is better than Stafford, and by what I think is a pretty decent margin.

Stafford's been in the league going on 7 years...you're basically going get what you see; inconsistent play, locking in on Megatron too much, shotgun arm but no good accuracy at all, and about a 55-59% completion rate.

Heck, we may never win a playoff game with him.

I don't see many Colts games at all, but when I do see Luck play, I don't see the level of inconsistency as with Stafford, I don't see the inaccuracy, and he's been successful with inferior WR's when compared to Megatron.

Don't see how you get where you're getting at.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yeah, they gave up too much to get him, which also adds to the pressure to be elite. He was good that first year...better than Luck. Without his speed he will never be that again though.

As I said back then, Luck ran a more complex offense than RGIII. RGIII ran a lot of read option and tossed short and intermediate passes. Bruce Arians' offense in Indy was much, much, MUCH more complex. Every time I brought this up, people started in with excuses and, quite frankly, lies like the following:

"Uh, RGIII ISN'T a running QB!!!! He doesn't run unless he absolutely has to!!!!"

That was an outright lie that people here spouted repeatedly -- every Redskins game I saw had him run the read option several times along with other DESIGNED run plays. Want to see someone who runs when he absolutely has no other choice? See: Andrew Luck.

"RGIII is an awesome pocket passer!"

I don't even need to attempt to poke holes in that one. They're obvious enough.

"RGIII's injury affects his passing!"

My favorite was last year, towards the end of the year, RGIII played a game and ran all over the field MANY times and also had some passing success. The very next week, he stunk it up big time and the RGIII jockriders blamed his injury from the previous year. LOL!

 

[purbeast0]

I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it. He had a 3.7 at Baylor. His problems do seem mental though. He built himself up marketing wise like the Lebron James of the NFL, but now he can't back it up due to the injuries. And the situation with both head coaches and the Kirk Cousins thing. His only chance is to leave Washington and start over, but more than likely he's already done.

football intelligence != book smart intelligence.

luck CLEARLY has vastly superior football intelligence than RG3.

 

[Childs]

As I said back then, Luck ran a more complex offense than RGIII. RGIII ran a lot of read option and tossed short and intermediate passes. Bruce Arians' offense in Indy was much, much, MUCH more complex. Every time I brought this up, people started in with excuses and, quite frankly, lies like the following:

"Uh, RGIII ISN'T a running QB!!!! He doesn't run unless he absolutely has to!!!!"

That was an outright lie that people here spouted repeatedly -- every Redskins game I saw had him run the read option several times along with other DESIGNED run plays. Want to see someone who runs when he absolutely has no other choice? See: Andrew Luck.

"RGIII is an awesome pocket passer!"

I don't even need to attempt to poke holes in that one. They're obvious enough.

"RGIII's injury affects his passing!"

My favorite was last year, towards the end of the year, RGIII played a game and ran all over the field MANY times and also had some passing success. The very next week, he stunk it up big time and the RGIII jockriders blamed his injury from the previous year. LOL!

I don't see anything wrong with the read option. When you have a QB that can run judiciously it makes the offense almost unstoppable. The QB just has to get out of bounds or learn to slide to avoid injury. It also forces a defense to commit safeties, linebackers, and defensive ends to containing the run, which opens up passing lanes. Seattle obviously does it the best. Wilson even hands off more than the read dictates, but when he does it its almost always for big yards. I think I heard that he is the number 15 rusher in the league.

RG3 probably would have been fine if he knew how to slide, but for some reason he can't learn that skill. He goes to the ground so awkwardly. I think he was too used to being faster than everyone. Luck runs like a freaking fullback, but with real speed. He's more likely to hurt the guy tackling him than vice versa.

RG3 just needs to get out of Washington. I don't think the coaches like him, nor his teammates since he puts himself above the team. Fans seemed to have turned too. Although he could just be another overrated Big 12 QB that can't make it in the NFL.

 

[smackababy]

RG3 had a problem with him not getting the development he really needed coming into the league, because he was winning. They let his flaws go.

 

[purbeast0]

RG3 had a problem with him not getting the development he really needed coming into the league, because he was winning. They let his flaws go.

yep. he didn't HAVE to do any of that because he would win with his legs. that is why he always found wide open receivers. because he could run around, and the secondary can only cover people so long - people are eventually going to be wide open. in college he was so much faster than everyone else. in the nfl, it's not nearly that easy because it is the best of the best coming after him.

 

[vi edit]

whoops..wrong thread

 

[eits]

Ok, let's get down to the nitty gritty here. Answer this question:

Is Andrew Luck better than RG3?

P.S. The author of that article is a moron.

Currently, without question. You can't say it for sure, though, because neither of them have shown you what they're fully capable of. So, for now, absolutely, Luck is better than RG3, without a doubt. I'm interested in seeing how it all plays out, though.

Luck is not as good as he is given credit for, yet. That's why I say he's overrated. He hasn't shown you what he can or can't do; give him an average to hard schedule and then see what's up.

RG3 needs better coaching and trainers. No one on the Redskins has shown great coaching and training... Does that mean everyone on the Redskins is a bum? No, it means that they coaching and training staff blows goats and there must invest in quality trainers and coaches if they expect to win and keep players healthy.

 

[purbeast0]

Currently, without question. You can't say it for sure, though, because neither of them have shown you what they're fully capable of. So, for now, absolutely, Luck is better than RG3, without a doubt. I'm interested in seeing how it all plays out, though.

Luck is not as good as he is given credit for, yet. That's why I say he's overrated. He hasn't shown you what he can or can't do; give him an average to hard schedule and then see what's up.

RG3 needs better coaching and trainers. No one on the Redskins has shown great coaching and training... Does that mean everyone on the Redskins is a bum? No, it means that they coaching and training staff blows goats and there must invest in quality trainers and coaches if they expect to win and keep players healthy.

posts like this HAVE to earn him the ownage of the year.

 

[smackababy]

Currently, without question. You can't say it for sure, though, because neither of them have shown you what they're fully capable of. So, for now, absolutely, Luck is better than RG3, without a doubt. I'm interested in seeing how it all plays out, though.

Luck is not as good as he is given credit for, yet. That's why I say he's overrated. He hasn't shown you what he can or can't do; give him an average to hard schedule and then see what's up.

RG3 needs better coaching and trainers. No one on the Redskins has shown great coaching and training... Does that mean everyone on the Redskins is a bum? No, it means that they coaching and training staff blows goats and there must invest in quality trainers and coaches if they expect to win and keep players healthy.

You do realize Indy's strength of schedule is pretty much right in the middle of the division right? It is just under NE's. Is Tom Brady a bum because he hasn't played against a SOS as high as Denver?

And, RG3's SOS is much lower than Luck's.

 

[eits]

You do realize Indy's strength of schedule is pretty much right in the middle of the division right? It is just under NE's. Is Tom Brady a bum because he hasn't played against a SOS as high as Denver?

And, RG3's SOS is much lower than Luck's.

Go back a couple pages. I posted the strength of schedule for the past three years; the Colts have had among the easiest strengths of schedules over the past three years.