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And this is why Texas. For using a gun to defend life and property
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All those who say you need weapons to protect your home and property are idiots, thieves are most of the time unarmend and harmless, installing an alarm into house and not to forget to lock the door and close windows, the actual scene in your link was embarrassing, the dude could not stop the guy running with his TV without aiming shotgun at him. Pathetism at its beauty.
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LOL, here we have a law abiding citizen defending his rights and his property. No one got hurt, and no one died. He used a firearm responsibly, but idiots like you would rather throw slander and hyperbole around to dismiss the lawful and just actions of the homeowner.
If the man had just yelled "STOP" chances are the thief would have dropped the TV and broke it before running away clean. Only to return and steal from another house. If the man risked trying to detain the thief physically, like say grabbing the thief, he risks the TV being broken, and a fight being started from which he may be hurt. Even if he manages not to hurt himself while trying to detain the thief he still risks possible lawsuit from the thief for harming him (well he would in other states but not Texas at least).
So in the end the only real response to your pathetic post is... bite me.
DrPizza
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Show us a video of an unarmed homeowner confronting a thief and making the thief wait for the police.
Assume everything you said is true. What do you do for those times when the thief is armed?
Matt1970
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Dannar26
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Yeah, people who are willing to grossly violate the law to take your property (or worse) are mostly just teddy bears.
Clearly the man should have just tried to hug it out. Screw him for using a gun. Defending your family, life, and property is SUCH a dick move.
Fern
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WTH do you live? (Is it even on this planet?)
We had +1.2 million violent crimes in 2011. Violent crimes include murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime
Your depiction of thieves are "harmless" is all too often fantasy. There are a great number of people who are incapable of defending themselves even if confronted by an unarmed thief: The elderly, the disabled, sick and some women. And for the rest, well good luck if there's more than 1 thief. What does it benefit you you to have your head kicked in by a couple of thieves? And around here, they tend to work small groups, it makes carrying out your possessions to load in their van/truck possible (likewise helpful to have a lookout etc). I rarely hear of a single thief. (When I do hear of a single individual they are usually involved in robbery, not burglary. Robbery generally means a weapon is involved, so those are two different type crimes.)
Fern
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irishScott
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Ah the "if you need a gun you're not man enough" argument. Are you 14? Tell me exactly what you would have done in this person's place. Without a gun, since you're so manly.
Good for the that homeowner, He protected his property and took down that POS criminal. He should be proud of himself
monovillage
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How much does the insurance company pay that guys wife for the fear and terror she's been living with after the repeated break-ins? How much does insurance pay for sleepless nights, for the constant dread she lives with? What do the police do with the real life psychological problems people have to deal with after they've been repeated victims of crime?
Ohh that's right, you're a lefty and it basically a big FUCK YOU to victims.
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irishScott
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Which is better than saving everyone a lot of trouble and sending the douchebag to jail... how?
Honestly I fail to see how what happened in the OP didn't result in the best possible outcome. Thief goes to jail, stolen property returned, no harm done, no insurance claims to fill out and then fight the insurance company over.
irishScott
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No no, remember, to lefties the criminals are the biggest victim. If they rob a house, then the person being robbed is responsible as their success is what made the thief a criminal int he first place.
skyking
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The burglar was not a threat to his person or his wife at that time. I don't agree with going out and brandishing a weapon at somebody outside my home, no matter what the law allows. Turned out good for him this time, but if the burglar had an armed accomplice he might have gotten his wife killed for a big TV.
Inside the home, I'd feel threatened and all bets(and safeties) are off.
Inside the home, I'd feel threatened and all bets(and safeties) are off.
The burglar was trying to steal a tv. And lets just say he had an armed accomplice, its much more likely he would have ran than have to deal with the man with the shotgun
Matt1970
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So what crime against you and your family would you not stand by and watch happen waiting for the cops? Would you just stand by watching while a family member was getting robbed? Assaulted? Beaten? Raped?
Angry Irishman
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Very emotionally stated....based in zero fact. I think people would still like to be prepared for the thief who isn't so nice.
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The idea of a nation without guns, or more correctly, a nation where the government has all the guns, is certainly viable. However, history shows that when the government is its citizens' only means of protection, the citizens will eventually be screwed. Either by the government, or by someone else. The reason the Japanese didn't try to invade us as recently as WWII was because they knew even after they defeated our military, there would be "a rifle behind every blade of grass."
This fundamental shift in mentality towards blaming the gun part of the gun violence equation was predicted by the very founders who wrote the Bill of Rights. They made sure to put the right to own guns only after the right to speak one's mind. In their minds, guns were the only reason they were free in the first place. Today is a different time. We're far more urbanized, there are far more cities full of massed people, and our gun culture is rather backwards in alot of places. Mostly cities.
All the same though, I've never met many people who knew their history that supported a ban on all guns. That's because history shows us that when the government takes away your ability to defend yourself, and even defend yourself from your own government, it's only a matter of time before the nation, the empire, the city-state, falls.
We do live in a time when guns are needed less and less. There are fewer and fewer farm boys per capita. Fewer and fewer hunters. At the same time, there is more gang violence, and more to-be-criminals walking the streets every day. I think we all agree that something has to be done.
I think the answer is education. Educated people aren't caught up in gun violence near as much as those who aren't. They simply know better, they know the purpose of civilization, they know their place in society, and they know the value of life. We cut education year by year it seems. While we're bent upon running record deficits, we can barely scratch together 2% of our budget for education. One guy above said that spending .1% of our budget on protecting our children was "infeasible." Our children are our future. And we shouldn't just draw the line at protecting them either. Let's up the spending on education to 3%. Maybe even 4%. Dare I say 5%????
We need to spend much more time bettering ourselves. We can't do much for the people who are already solidified in their ways, I mean we can take away their guns. But what's next, knife violence? Brass knuckle violence? Boxing glove violence? We going to start banning fist violence?
People violence is the problem. What we can do about it is pay much more attention to giving our kids the tools they need to succeed in life. What we can do is provide teachers with job security, so they don't come to teach impressionable 10 year olds every day with a bad attitude because they know in a month they're getting fired for some kid straight out of college that doesn't have to be paid as much. What we can do, is care about our kids.
Alot of you are quibbling over .1% of the federal budget to make sure kids are never mowed down. Really? I'm sure you're the same people who don't support the arts, and froth at the mouth at the idea of the United States spending money on higher education. Not only MUST we protect our children, but we MUST show them that we care. That the government, the teachers, the parents, all of us. We care about them succeeding in life. We care about getting them the right teachers. We care about them learning about music. We care about them learning about art and literature.
We must care about our children learning to better themselves. People violence is the problem, and the only way to get rid of it is to change the people. We must.
This fundamental shift in mentality towards blaming the gun part of the gun violence equation was predicted by the very founders who wrote the Bill of Rights. They made sure to put the right to own guns only after the right to speak one's mind. In their minds, guns were the only reason they were free in the first place. Today is a different time. We're far more urbanized, there are far more cities full of massed people, and our gun culture is rather backwards in alot of places. Mostly cities.
All the same though, I've never met many people who knew their history that supported a ban on all guns. That's because history shows us that when the government takes away your ability to defend yourself, and even defend yourself from your own government, it's only a matter of time before the nation, the empire, the city-state, falls.
We do live in a time when guns are needed less and less. There are fewer and fewer farm boys per capita. Fewer and fewer hunters. At the same time, there is more gang violence, and more to-be-criminals walking the streets every day. I think we all agree that something has to be done.
I think the answer is education. Educated people aren't caught up in gun violence near as much as those who aren't. They simply know better, they know the purpose of civilization, they know their place in society, and they know the value of life. We cut education year by year it seems. While we're bent upon running record deficits, we can barely scratch together 2% of our budget for education. One guy above said that spending .1% of our budget on protecting our children was "infeasible." Our children are our future. And we shouldn't just draw the line at protecting them either. Let's up the spending on education to 3%. Maybe even 4%. Dare I say 5%????
We need to spend much more time bettering ourselves. We can't do much for the people who are already solidified in their ways, I mean we can take away their guns. But what's next, knife violence? Brass knuckle violence? Boxing glove violence? We going to start banning fist violence?
People violence is the problem. What we can do about it is pay much more attention to giving our kids the tools they need to succeed in life. What we can do is provide teachers with job security, so they don't come to teach impressionable 10 year olds every day with a bad attitude because they know in a month they're getting fired for some kid straight out of college that doesn't have to be paid as much. What we can do, is care about our kids.
Alot of you are quibbling over .1% of the federal budget to make sure kids are never mowed down. Really? I'm sure you're the same people who don't support the arts, and froth at the mouth at the idea of the United States spending money on higher education. Not only MUST we protect our children, but we MUST show them that we care. That the government, the teachers, the parents, all of us. We care about them succeeding in life. We care about getting them the right teachers. We care about them learning about music. We care about them learning about art and literature.
We must care about our children learning to better themselves. People violence is the problem, and the only way to get rid of it is to change the people. We must.
You're a disgusting piece of shit criminal apologist. You demonize people who protect themselves while glorifying victimhood. I hope you're on the receiving end of a few burglaries.
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