And this is why a large thin aluminum phone is a really terrible idea - *Bend-Gate*

[Anubis]

Consumer reports says you are wrong: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

HTC one performed the worst.

Its pretty weird how closely some apple haters follow the company. It has to be some sort of undiagnosed mental issue. Sad. I hope they get the help they need.

its tied with the ip6 im not sure that counts as worst

 

[WelshBloke]

its tied with the ip6 im not sure that counts as worst

Interestingly, you can see where the bar was on the iPhone 6+ but it actually fractured at the point everyone has called out as weak, at the bottom of the volume rocker.

 

[maevinj]

All of these people bending all of these iPhone 6+ isn't helping my ship date...

 

[Phokus]

Yep, a random dude with a huge agenda is more reliable than an independent testing company. Have you ever seen a doctor about your issues? It might be worth a visit.

Yeah, several civil/mechanical engineers are obviously wrong.

http://instroncommunity.blogspot.co...en-single-point.html?_sm_au_=iMVR134MDM7Zj7j3

How does a 3 point bend test make any sense whatsoever when the weak point of the iphone 6+ is far away from the center point of the test?

Here's a question/answer thread from january 2014 (so no iphone 6+ biases):

http://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_do_we_have_both_3-point_and_4-point_bending-strength_tests

Why do we have both 3-point and 4-point bending-strength tests?

The peak stress produced in the 3-pt flexure fixture is at the specimen mid-point (or point contact) with reduced stress elsewhere. Hence, this analysis (stress localization) is ideal to test for specific isolation of stress on the specimen.

On the other hand, the 4-pt flexure fixture produces peak stresses along an extended region of the specimen surface. Hence, exposing a larger area of the specimen is possible with more potential for defects and flaws to be highlighted.

For other information's http://www.nordson.com/en-us/divisi...ents/3_4point bend Flexural AppNote Nov11.pdf

http://www.instron.us/wa/acc_catalog/prod_list.aspx?cid=833&cname=3 and 4 Point Flexure Fixtures

GEE, it sure is shocking that a test that only tests the center point that's far away from the 6+'s weak point (the volume button) is a really bad test, eh?

SCIENCE: HOW DOES IT WORK??

 

[blankslate]

The iPhone 6 plus has a weak point. Under certain conditions that weak point can produce damage to the phone. from slight to severe depending on the circumstance

That doesn't seem to be in dispute but somehow it turned into a controversy.

Why not just tell people "Get a case for your expensive phone."?

Seems like good advice no matter what brand of smart phone you have.


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[isekii]

The iPhone 6 plus has a weak point. Under certain conditions that weak point can produce damage to the phone. from slight to severe depending on the circumstance

That doesn't seem to be in dispute but somehow it turned into a controversy.

Why not just tell people "Get a case for your expensive phone."?

Seems like good advice no matter what brand of smart phone you have.


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A lot of people like running around without a case.

 

[Red Storm]

The iPhone 6 plus has a weak point. Under certain conditions that weak point can produce damage to the phone. from slight to severe depending on the circumstance

That doesn't seem to be in dispute but somehow it turned into a controversy.

Why not just tell people "Get a case for your expensive phone."?

Seems like good advice no matter what brand of smart phone you have.


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Telling people to get a case instead of addressing the actual potential problem is not a very wise move.

 

[blankslate]

Yeah, it may seem like the "your holding it wrong" meme....

However, it seems like the iPhone can bend under certain "normal use" circumstances, but with a quality case it seems that the issue is almost entirely mitigated.

I know someone who is getting an iPhone 6+ and they are concerned but they also put their iPhone 5s in a case so it shouldn't be an issue for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqyu2ZNo5o

this video seems to show that a good case would solve the problem. If you want to carry a smart phone without a case then you might need to seriously consider something besides the 6+



Like a said if you have an expensive smart phone getting a case should be the general advice no matter what brand imo.


*e2a*
Yes addressing the actual problem would be a better solution.... however, I am not a high ranking executive at Apple so I have no influence there.

A lot of people like running around without a case.

A lot of people should reconsider that, in my humble opinion. Could be a market their for relatively stylish but tough smart phones... sort of like the panasonic tough books.
Although the example of a stylish tough book I saw in an overseas ad (which seemed fairly sleek) may not be available in the U.S. or no longer sold.


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[Zaap]

I'm gonna laugh my ass off the first time I see someone that I know that used to goof constantly about "huge Android phones" get an iPhone 6+ and then make it even more gigantic under a fugly block of toddler-wrap.

 

[artemicion]

Yeah, several civil/mechanical engineers are obviously wrong.

http://instroncommunity.blogspot.co...en-single-point.html?_sm_au_=iMVR134MDM7Zj7j3

How does a 3 point bend test make any sense whatsoever when the weak point of the iphone 6+ is far away from the center point of the test?

Here's a question/answer thread from january 2014 (so no iphone 6+ biases):

http://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_do_we_have_both_3-point_and_4-point_bending-strength_tests





GEE, it sure is shocking that a test that only tests the center point that's far away from the 6+'s weak point (the volume button) is a really bad test, eh?

SCIENCE: HOW DOES IT WORK??

Oh lord, you don't even understand the links you posted.

Just because the test used is a three point bend test says NOTHING about the location where they are stressing the object.

Example A:
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********^*********

Example B:
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******^***********

Both examples are three point bend tests.

Four point test just means you are placing two anvils somewhere in the middle, thus the area you are testing is large than the single point. Example:

Example C:
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******^***^*******

Example D:
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***^****^*********

Both examples are four point bend tests.

As the articles you link acknowledge, the four point test is not necessarily "superior" to the three point test. It all depends on the size and material of the object you are testing and what kind of force you are testing for.

 

[Zaap]

A lot of people should reconsider that, in my humble opinion.

I've never had a need for a case and I'd rather leave my Note 3 (eventually Note 4) at home than 'NABI' it and make such an awesome looking phone fuglee as hell.

If I had a 6+ I wouldn't child-proof it from myself either, I'd simply take care of it. (Although, watching videos of it coming apart- screen popping off and such like in that pic, I am kind of surprised by overall how *cheap* it appears internally. I mean, from anyone else I could see it, but from the company we've all been told is such a king of quality...)

 

[blankslate]

I've never had a need for a case and I'd rather leave my Note 3 (eventually Note 4) at home than 'NABI' it and make such an awesome looking phone fuglee as hell.

The note 3 was bent in response to comments for one of the more famous iPhone test videos. It turned out to fare much better to that kind of stress.

Like I said "in my humble opinion"


I too baby my smart phone. I carry it in my front pocket. But I wear loose pants in general and make sure to pull it out when I sit or get in my car. I did drop it once though; it still works fine

That goes to show, accidents happen and I prefer to have a bit of insurance. Especially since you can get cases that still allow you to pocket a smart phone while providing much more protection than going caseless


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[Zaap]

The note 3 was bent in response to comments for one of the more famous iPhone test videos. It turned out to fare much better to that kind of stress.

Personally, the only thing that'd really concern me is over time, is it possible the iPhone can warp from normal use in a normal non-skinny jean pocket. (I already know from experience with Galaxy Notes, the answer for them is, no, not even a remote chance. For the iP6+, I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it too won't really have any problem with most people's use.)

But deliberate bend tests are kind of stupid to me.

It's along the lines to me of "Gee, could I screw up my MacBook by purposefully bending the screen? Can this 2 cent nail screw up my HDTV if I drag it across the screen? Can this brick mess up my car?"

The answers are pretty obvious. Only real world use will answer the real questions- if in a couple months to a year from now lots of normal users of iP6+'s have bent phones, then I'd see a huge problem, not just because you can deliberately break it (like most *ANYTHING* really).

 

[Brian Stirling]

Consumer reports says you are wrong: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

HTC one performed the worst.

Its pretty weird how closely some apple haters follow the company. It has to be some sort of undiagnosed mental issue. Sad. I hope they get the help they need.

You did not read the article did you? The HTC One (M8) not M7, was worse than the 6+ but better than the 6. The M7 that I have is smaller and would be less prone to bending.

And, if you'd actually read my posts you'd know that I said all phones would bend if you tried hard enough.


Brian

 

[blankslate]

Only real world use will answer the real questions- if in a couple months to a year from now lots of normal users of iP6+'s have bent phones, then I'd see a huge problem, not just because you can deliberately break it (like most *ANYTHING* really).

True, there was a video that showed the iPhone 6 plus being "bend tested" with a fairly slim case and based on the video; under normal situations I doubt the iphone 6 plus would bend at all if case-protected.

However, within days of release and people notice bending from sitting in front pockets? I'd put a case on an iPhone 6 plus. As well as any smart phone I owned for that matter.

*e2a*

One of the people who complained about his bent phone said he was wearing suit pants and went to a wedding. Many of those pants are fairly loose unless you're wearing a "modern fit" (a term I've seen for more tightly fitted dress clothes).


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[openwheel]

Its pretty weird how closely some apple haters follow the company. It has to be some sort of undiagnosed mental issue. Sad. I hope they get the help they need.

You solved it. There is no bending issue. Just a bunch of apple haters hating on apple. :biggrin:

 

[openwheel]

Yeah, several civil/mechanical engineers are obviously wrong.
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It goes like this:

- oh it is not as bendable as you think. Just one crazy guy bending his phone.
- oh there are only 9 incidents. Not as bad as it seems.
- just a bunch of haters. Haters Haters Haters!

 

[openwheel]

Personally, the only thing that'd really concern me is over time, is it possible the iPhone can warp from normal use in a normal non-skinny jean pocket. (I already know from experience with Galaxy Notes, the answer for them is, no, not even a remote chance. For the iP6+, I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it too won't really have any problem with most people's use.)

But deliberate bend tests are kind of stupid to me.

It's along the lines to me of "Gee, could I screw up my MacBook by purposefully bending the screen? Can this 2 cent nail screw up my HDTV if I drag it across the screen? Can this brick mess up my car?"

The answers are pretty obvious. Only real world use will answer the real questions- if in a couple months to a year from now lots of normal users of iP6+'s have bent phones, then I'd see a huge problem, not just because you can deliberately break it (like most *ANYTHING* really).

Exactly. Ignoring all the crazy people bending their phones, there is no question how bendable and fragile iPhone 6+ (or maybe even 6) is. The long term effect is the biggest concern.

All joking aside, this could lead to many unhappy iPhone customers down the road. Those who don't follow tech news and just buy whatever iPhone is available. They are in for a big surprise down the road.

 

[blankslate]

(or maybe even 6)

This shows me that you haven't really paid too much attention to the issue. The iPhone 6+ has a fragile point near the volume rocker. Coincidentally the consumer reports test ignored that area; they stressed the middle of the phone not near the volume rocker. A more thorough test with multiple examples of the different phones tested at different parts of the phone would have provided a more informative test.

The test that the iPhone 6+ fails at in the bending phone craze... is a test that the regular sized iPhone 6 actually passes. no breaking but a slight bend that is only noticeable upon close inspection. regular iPhone 6 and other models tested by the Unboxing Therapy guy

During everyday use without a case the iPhone 6+ may get stressed at it's weak point. So don't put it in your pockets or get a case.

It's only an issue imo, because many fans of iPhones lauded the impressive build quality of the phones compared to other brands. So some people are enjoying the flaw (which the average use may or may not encounter) that is present in the iPhone 6+

Don't abuse your phones. And if you think you might drop it or forget about it in your pocket get a case.


*e2a*

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/29/6...iphone-6-plus-at-apple-store-because-bendgate

^people are doing it in Apple stores now





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[rcpratt]

I can see the slightest sliver of light under my GS4 if I set it screen face down.

Oh noes.

 

[openwheel]

I know the fragile spot inside the 6+ which makes the 6+ most vulnerable to bending.
However, the 6 is still relatively easy to bend (according to that consumer report test).

 

[blankslate]

I know the fragile spot inside the 6+ which makes the 6+ most vulnerable to bending.
However, the 6 is still relatively easy to bend (according to that consumer report test).

Then you know that the consumer reports test bends all the phones near the middle. One would expect all phones to bend under enough force. They apparently didn't do stress points at different points on the phones....

This is nice to know because obviously the stresses phones may receive in peoples' pockets is exactly like the consumer reports test....

hence my comments

During everyday use without a case the iPhone 6+ may get stressed at it's weak point. So don't put it in your pockets or get a case.
~snip~
(which the average use may or may not encounter)

There is an issue. is it being overblown? yes because it's easily remedied. But it's a now well known weakness in the design...

Other makes of phones have their own weaknesses but they haven't garnered the attention the iPhone 6 plus has because there haven't been very many ardent fans of other brands (like Samsung, LG, HTC etc.) who made as much a point about construction as some Apple fans have.


If you have an iPhone 6 plus get a case. It's a simple idea.

 

[openwheel]

Then you know that the consumer reports test bends all the phones near the middle. One would expect all phones to bend under enough force. They apparently didn't do stress points at different points on the phones....

and the iPhone 6 is one of the worst....if not the worst in the test. So.....
No one is saying iPhone 6 is as bendable as 6+. If that's what you are implying.

 

[blankslate]

As stated the consumer reports test imposes different stresses upon the phones tests.

While the regular 6 is weaker to the stresses than the 6 plus used in the Consumer Reports test. It is stronger than the 6 plus in other regards

Let me summarize my position. If someone told me they wanted to get a new iPhone I'd suggest they get an iPhone 6. If they insisted on the 6 plus as their choice I'd tell them to get a good case and explain to them about the weak point in the 6 plus.

Of course most people will not abuse a smart phone the way they are in the bend videos but given the small chance of bending the iPhone 6 plus in your front pockets getting a case seems like a good idea.

For any expensive smart phone it's a good idea.


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[WelshBloke]

If you have an iPhone 6 plus get a case. It's a simple idea.

Not that a case is a bad idea anyway, I'm not convinced that a case would do much to stop the phone bending.

The only way I could see that working is if the case is extremely rigid or extremely thick and pliable.

Most cases are to stop impact damage or surface abrasion.