And the gun bans begin

Specop 007

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And so it starts. Its funny to think of all the times some empty talking head said "gun owners have nothing to fear". Of course we dont. Nothing to fear at all... Granted this has just been drafted but the point is quite clear. The Democrats dont give a shit about anythying other then putting their boot on the back of all of us.

Notice the section on licensing. No license, no firearm. License is shall issue with no timeframe. Which means the feds can choose not to give you a license before yours expires and without it your an instant criminal.

Now someone tell me again how we're "all on the same side"......

HR 45

 

Eeezee

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Care to clarify your concern? You have a problem with requiring a license to own a firearm? Why is this a problem? I need a driver's license, I need a fishing license, why would firearms be different?
 

aphex

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huh?
SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

(a) Application for Renewal-
(1) IN GENERAL- In order to renew a firearm license issued under this title, not later than 30 days before the expiration date of the license, the licensed individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under paragraph (3)), in a form approved by the Attorney General, an application for renewal of the license.
(2) CONTENTS- An application submitted under paragraph (1) shall include--
(A) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;
(B) current proof of identity of the licensed individual; and
(C) the address of the licensed individual.
(3) REGULATIONS GOVERNING SUBMISSION- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications under this subsection.
(b) Issuance of Renewed License- Upon approval of an application submitted under subsection (a) of this section, the Attorney General shall issue a renewed license, which shall meet the requirements of section 103(c), except that the license shall include the current photograph and address of the licensed individual, as provided in the application submitted under this section, and the expiration date of the renewed license, as provided in section 103(c)(5).

What's the big deal?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Care to clarify your concern? You have a problem with requiring a license to own a firearm? Why is this a problem? I need a driver's license, I need a fishing license, why would firearms be different?

Driving and fishing aren't in the Bill of Rights?
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Care to clarify your concern? You have a problem with requiring a license to own a firearm? Why is this a problem? I need a driver's license, I need a fishing license, why would firearms be different?

Driving and fishing aren't in the Bill of Rights?

An activity not being in the Bill of Rights does not mean it isn't a right
 

K1052

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From Bobby Rush with no cosponsors and has been referred to the Judiciary Committee where it will most likely die.

I think Heller has put a damper on enthusiasm in congress for more gun legislation, especially when there are more popular issues to be courted.
 

Slick5150

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I'm REALLY failing to see how this is a "gun ban".

I DO see where this is yet another P&N troll post though.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm REALLY failing to see how this is a "gun ban".

I DO see where this is yet another P&N troll post though.

Just skimming the bill I find several objectionable things. Probably the most troubling would be the blanket registration of all firearms transfers which would be stored in a master federal database.
 

amddude

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm REALLY failing to see how this is a "gun ban".

I DO see where this is yet another P&N troll post though.

Does not specify time period by which licenses must be approved. Creates national gun registry of all semi-automatic firearms. Every country that has banned guns (especially looking at UK and Australia here) has used said registry to verify they got them all.
 

RY62

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Section 2 of the bill states:

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.

(a) Findings- Congress finds that--

(6) on the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting.

(b) Sense of the Congress- It is the sense of the Congress that--

(2) it is in the national interest and within the role of the Federal Government to ensure that the regulation of firearms is uniform among the States, that law enforcement can quickly and effectively trace firearms used in crime, and that firearms owners know how to use and safely store their firearms.

(c) Purposes- The purposes of this Act and the amendments made by this Act are--

(1) to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of qualifying firearms to criminals and youth;

(3) to restrict the availability of qualifying firearms to criminals, youth, and other persons prohibited by Federal law from receiving firearms;

Isn't it ironic that this bill comes from a Chicago politician, in response to a firearm incident in Chicago when most, if not all of this is already law in Chicago. How many IL gun laws were broken in the case involving Blair Holt?

http://crime.about.com/od/gunl...state/p/gunlaws_il.htm
IL gun laws.

Child Access Prevention Law? Yes
Juvenile Possession Law? Yes
Juvenile Sale/Transfer Law? Yes
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? FOID Required.*

Registration of rifles and shotguns? No**

Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? FOID Required.*

Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? FOID Required.*

Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? FOID Required.*

Registration of handguns? No.**

Licensing of owners of handguns? FOID Required.*

Permit to carry handguns? No***
* Subject to municipal control. Handguns have been banned in some municipalities.
** Chicago requires registration of all firearms.

*** Carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited entirely. A FOID is required to transport a handgun. See "Carrying."


Purchase
A buyer is required to show his Firearms Owner?s Identification Card (FOID) when purchasing any firearms or ammunition. Any seller is required to withhold delivery of any handgun for 72 hours, and of any rifle or shotgun for 24 hours, after the buyer and seller reach an agreement to purchase a firearm.
The waiting period does not apply to a buyer who is a dealer, law enforcement officer, or a nonresident at a gun show recognized by the Illinois Department of State Police.

The seller must retain for 10 years a record of the transfer, including a description of the firearm (including serial number), the identity of the buyer, and the buyer?s FOID number.

A federally licensed dealer must contact the Department of State Police for a background check, for which there is a $2.00 fee. Any sales at gun shows, including dealers and private parties, must contact the state police for a background check.


Private parties selling firearms at gun shows must ensure the buyer has a FOID card and the buyer must undergo a background check. It is unlawful to sell or give any handgun to a person under 18, or any firearm to a person who is not eligible to obtain a FOID.


Requirements for Foid
Application for a FOID is made to the Illinois State Police, FOID, P. O. Box 19233, Springfield, IL 62794-9233. Application forms can be obtained online at http://www.isp.state.il.us or by calling the Firearm Owners IdentiAn applicant is entitled to a FOID if he:
Is over 21 years of age. If under 21, he must have the written consent of his parent or guardian. In such case, the guardian himself must not be ineligible for a FOID, and the applicant must never have been convicted of a misdemeanor or adjudged a delinquent.

Has never been convicted of a felony.

Is not a narcotics addict.

Has not been a patient in a mental hospital in the preceding five years.

Is not mentally retarded.

Is not an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States.

Is not subject to an existing order of protection prohibiting the possession of a firearm.
Has not been convicted within the past 5 years of battery, assault, aggravated assault, violation of an order of protection, or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction, in which a firearm was used or possessed.

Has not been convicted of domestic battery or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction committed on or after January 1, 1998.

Has not been convicted within the past five years of domestic battery or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction committed before January 1, 1998.
An applicant for a FOID must consent to the Department using the applicant's digital driver's license or Illinois ID card photograph, if available, and signature on the FOID, and must furnish the Department with his driver's license or Illinois ID card number.

The Department must approve or deny the FOID within 30 days and is authorized to deny the FOID only if the applicant does not meet the listed qualifications. The FOID is valid for five years from the date of issuance. The Department shall forward to each FOID holder, a notice of expiration and a renewal notice application, 60 days prior to expiration.

A FOID may be revoked and seized if the holder made a false statement on the application, is no longer eligible, or whose mental condition poses a clear and present danger to self, others, or community.


Possession
It is unlawful to possess any firearm or ammunition without a valid FOID.

It is unlawful for any person under the age of 18 to possess a handgun, or concealable firearm.

It is unlawful for any person to possess any firearm with intent to use it unlawfully against another.
It is unlawful to possess any rifle having one or more barrels less than 16" in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18" in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

It is unlawful to possess any firearm in any place licensed to sell intoxicating beverages, or at any public gathering (except a gun show) at which an admission is charged. An exception is provided for the owner, manager or an authorized employee of the establishments.
It is unlawful for the following persons to possess a firearm or ammunition:
1. Under 21 who has been adjudged delinquent or been convicted of a misdemeanor other than a traffic offense.
2. Narcotic addicts.

3. Within the past five years has been a patient in a mental hospital.

4. Mentally retarded.

5. Convicted felon.

A person with a FOID card can loan a gun to a non-FOID card owner as long as the gun was used at a range and under the supervision of the owner.

It is unlawful to possess firearms or ammunition at schools. Exempt include students in firearm training courses, parades, hunting, target shooting on school ranges.

Note: In Chicago it is unlawful to keep any firearm unless it has been registered with the Chicago Police.
Carrying (Residents Only)
It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm in any vehicle or concealed on or about the person, except on one's land or or fixed place of business.
It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm on any public street or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village, or incorporated town, except when: an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of firearms or the lawful commerce in firearms.

Exceptions are persons using their firearms on established target ranges; licensed hunters, trappers, or fishermen while engaged in their licensed activity; transportation of firearms that are broken down in a non-functioning state or are not immediately accessible, and transportation, carrying, or possession of a firearm which is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container, by the possessor of a valid FOID.

Under the Wildlife Code, it is unlawful to have or carry any firearm in or on any vehicle or conveyance unless unloaded and enclosed in a case.

Miscellaneous
It is unlawful for any person to store or leave a firearm if the person knows or has reason to believe that a minor under the age of 14 years who does not have a FOID is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the parent, guardian, or person having charge of the minor, and the minor causes death or great bodily harm with the firearm, unless the firearm is:

1. Secured by a device or mechanism, other than the firearm safety, designed to render a firearm temporarily inoperable, or
2. Placed in a securely locked box or container, or

3. Placed in some other location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure from a minor.

These laws are working out so well in Chicago, we should force them everywhere. Not to mention it's another tax that's not a tax. Every legal firearm owner will have to pay a $25 license fee (tax) every year. That'll add up to some big bucks!

 

Farang

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I find it amusing when dumbfucks try to apply their strict gun rights philosophies across the board and criticize major cities for enacting gun control laws to help curb soaring murder rates. I'm a hunter, I own a lot of guns, but don't try to say because someone is for stricter gun control in Chicago it means they are for it in rural Arkansas. I understand this particular politician is but as someone else said this bill is going to die, it is as much worth discussing as Rangel's military draft bill.
 

BoberFett

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Nice.

SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, and 302 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(ee) Failure To Report Loss or Theft of Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person who owns a qualifying firearm to fail to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours after the loss or theft is discovered.'.

SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, and 303 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(ff) Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- It shall be unlawful for any individual to whom a firearm license has been issued under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 to fail to report to the Attorney General a change in the address of that individual within 60 days of that change of address.'.

Law abiding citizens would be treated like criminals. Let's hope this one dies quickly.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
And so it starts. Its funny to think of all the times some empty talking head said "gun owners have nothing to fear". Of course we dont. Nothing to fear at all... Granted this has just been drafted but the point is quite clear. The Democrats dont give a shit about anythying other then putting their boot on the back of all of us.

Notice the section on licensing. No license, no firearm. License is shall issue with no timeframe. Which means the feds can choose not to give you a license before yours expires and without it your an instant criminal.

Now someone tell me again how we're "all on the same side"......

HR 45

:roll: Were you just looking for something to be fake pissed off about today? GAL

HR != LAW
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Nice.

SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, and 302 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(ee) Failure To Report Loss or Theft of Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person who owns a qualifying firearm to fail to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours after the loss or theft is discovered.'.

SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, and 303 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(ff) Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- It shall be unlawful for any individual to whom a firearm license has been issued under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 to fail to report to the Attorney General a change in the address of that individual within 60 days of that change of address.'.

Law abiding citizens would be treated like criminals. Let's hope this one dies quickly.

Actually law abiding citizens would only be treated like criminals as soon as they broke the law.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Law abiding citizens would be treated like criminals. Let's hope this one dies quickly.

We are the peasants to do as our Lords in DC tell us.
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: Farang
I find it amusing when dumbfucks try to apply their strict gun rights philosophies across the board and criticize major cities for enacting gun control laws to help curb soaring murder rates. I'm a hunter, I own a lot of guns, but don't try to say because someone is for stricter gun control in Chicago it means they are for it in rural Arkansas. I understand this particular politician is but as someone else said this bill is going to die, it is as much worth discussing as Rangel's military draft bill.

I would agree about dumbfucks who "try to apply their strict gun rights philosophies across the board and criticize major cities for enacting gun control laws to help curb soaring murder rates." But, that isn't the case here. This is the exact opposite. In this case, the dumbfucks are trying to apply their strict gun restrictions across the board, while the bill itself shines light on the fact that criminals don't follow the strict gun laws.

 

Farang

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Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: Farang
I find it amusing when dumbfucks try to apply their strict gun rights philosophies across the board and criticize major cities for enacting gun control laws to help curb soaring murder rates. I'm a hunter, I own a lot of guns, but don't try to say because someone is for stricter gun control in Chicago it means they are for it in rural Arkansas. I understand this particular politician is but as someone else said this bill is going to die, it is as much worth discussing as Rangel's military draft bill.

I would agree about dumbfucks who "try to apply their strict gun rights philosophies across the board and criticize major cities for enacting gun control laws to help curb soaring murder rates." But, that isn't the case here. This is the exact opposite. In this case, the dumbfucks are trying to apply their strict gun restrictions across the board, while the bill itself shines light on the fact that criminals don't follow the strict gun laws.

You are right. With the 'Chicago politician' remark I lumped you into a bigger crowd of idiots that you hadn't shown you belonged to. I tend to get a bit irritated at anyone who panics at anything regarding guns, such as when a guaranteed-to-die House bill gets tossed around.
 
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I fail to see how one boneheaded House Resolution represents the beginning of everything. A gazillion bills are proposed and shot down in the House every year.

 

shira

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Care to clarify your concern? You have a problem with requiring a license to own a firearm? Why is this a problem? I need a driver's license, I need a fishing license, why would firearms be different?

Next thing you know, they'll require us to register before we can vote! Which must be why all the right-wing gun nuts are so adamant about letting everyone vote without super-careful registration checks.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: RY62
Section 2 of the bill states:

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.

(a) Findings- Congress finds that--

(6) on the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting.

(b) Sense of the Congress- It is the sense of the Congress that--

(2) it is in the national interest and within the role of the Federal Government to ensure that the regulation of firearms is uniform among the States, that law enforcement can quickly and effectively trace firearms used in crime, and that firearms owners know how to use and safely store their firearms.

(c) Purposes- The purposes of this Act and the amendments made by this Act are--

(1) to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of qualifying firearms to criminals and youth;

(3) to restrict the availability of qualifying firearms to criminals, youth, and other persons prohibited by Federal law from receiving firearms;

Isn't it ironic that this bill comes from a Chicago politician, in response to a firearm incident in Chicago when most, if not all of this is already law in Chicago. How many IL gun laws were broken in the case involving Blair Holt?

http://crime.about.com/od/gunl...state/p/gunlaws_il.htm
IL gun laws.

Child Access Prevention Law? Yes
Juvenile Possession Law? Yes
Juvenile Sale/Transfer Law? Yes
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? FOID Required.*

Registration of rifles and shotguns? No**

Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? FOID Required.*

Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? FOID Required.*

Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? FOID Required.*

Registration of handguns? No.**

Licensing of owners of handguns? FOID Required.*

Permit to carry handguns? No***
* Subject to municipal control. Handguns have been banned in some municipalities.
** Chicago requires registration of all firearms.

*** Carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited entirely. A FOID is required to transport a handgun. See "Carrying."


Purchase
A buyer is required to show his Firearms Owner?s Identification Card (FOID) when purchasing any firearms or ammunition. Any seller is required to withhold delivery of any handgun for 72 hours, and of any rifle or shotgun for 24 hours, after the buyer and seller reach an agreement to purchase a firearm.
The waiting period does not apply to a buyer who is a dealer, law enforcement officer, or a nonresident at a gun show recognized by the Illinois Department of State Police.

The seller must retain for 10 years a record of the transfer, including a description of the firearm (including serial number), the identity of the buyer, and the buyer?s FOID number.

A federally licensed dealer must contact the Department of State Police for a background check, for which there is a $2.00 fee. Any sales at gun shows, including dealers and private parties, must contact the state police for a background check.


Private parties selling firearms at gun shows must ensure the buyer has a FOID card and the buyer must undergo a background check. It is unlawful to sell or give any handgun to a person under 18, or any firearm to a person who is not eligible to obtain a FOID.


Requirements for Foid
Application for a FOID is made to the Illinois State Police, FOID, P. O. Box 19233, Springfield, IL 62794-9233. Application forms can be obtained online at http://www.isp.state.il.us or by calling the Firearm Owners IdentiAn applicant is entitled to a FOID if he:
Is over 21 years of age. If under 21, he must have the written consent of his parent or guardian. In such case, the guardian himself must not be ineligible for a FOID, and the applicant must never have been convicted of a misdemeanor or adjudged a delinquent.

Has never been convicted of a felony.

Is not a narcotics addict.

Has not been a patient in a mental hospital in the preceding five years.

Is not mentally retarded.

Is not an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States.

Is not subject to an existing order of protection prohibiting the possession of a firearm.
Has not been convicted within the past 5 years of battery, assault, aggravated assault, violation of an order of protection, or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction, in which a firearm was used or possessed.

Has not been convicted of domestic battery or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction committed on or after January 1, 1998.

Has not been convicted within the past five years of domestic battery or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction committed before January 1, 1998.
An applicant for a FOID must consent to the Department using the applicant's digital driver's license or Illinois ID card photograph, if available, and signature on the FOID, and must furnish the Department with his driver's license or Illinois ID card number.

The Department must approve or deny the FOID within 30 days and is authorized to deny the FOID only if the applicant does not meet the listed qualifications. The FOID is valid for five years from the date of issuance. The Department shall forward to each FOID holder, a notice of expiration and a renewal notice application, 60 days prior to expiration.

A FOID may be revoked and seized if the holder made a false statement on the application, is no longer eligible, or whose mental condition poses a clear and present danger to self, others, or community.


Possession
It is unlawful to possess any firearm or ammunition without a valid FOID.

It is unlawful for any person under the age of 18 to possess a handgun, or concealable firearm.

It is unlawful for any person to possess any firearm with intent to use it unlawfully against another.
It is unlawful to possess any rifle having one or more barrels less than 16" in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18" in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

It is unlawful to possess any firearm in any place licensed to sell intoxicating beverages, or at any public gathering (except a gun show) at which an admission is charged. An exception is provided for the owner, manager or an authorized employee of the establishments.
It is unlawful for the following persons to possess a firearm or ammunition:
1. Under 21 who has been adjudged delinquent or been convicted of a misdemeanor other than a traffic offense.
2. Narcotic addicts.

3. Within the past five years has been a patient in a mental hospital.

4. Mentally retarded.

5. Convicted felon.

A person with a FOID card can loan a gun to a non-FOID card owner as long as the gun was used at a range and under the supervision of the owner.

It is unlawful to possess firearms or ammunition at schools. Exempt include students in firearm training courses, parades, hunting, target shooting on school ranges.

Note: In Chicago it is unlawful to keep any firearm unless it has been registered with the Chicago Police.
Carrying (Residents Only)
It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm in any vehicle or concealed on or about the person, except on one's land or or fixed place of business.
It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm on any public street or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village, or incorporated town, except when: an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of firearms or the lawful commerce in firearms.

Exceptions are persons using their firearms on established target ranges; licensed hunters, trappers, or fishermen while engaged in their licensed activity; transportation of firearms that are broken down in a non-functioning state or are not immediately accessible, and transportation, carrying, or possession of a firearm which is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container, by the possessor of a valid FOID.

Under the Wildlife Code, it is unlawful to have or carry any firearm in or on any vehicle or conveyance unless unloaded and enclosed in a case.

Miscellaneous
It is unlawful for any person to store or leave a firearm if the person knows or has reason to believe that a minor under the age of 14 years who does not have a FOID is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the parent, guardian, or person having charge of the minor, and the minor causes death or great bodily harm with the firearm, unless the firearm is:

1. Secured by a device or mechanism, other than the firearm safety, designed to render a firearm temporarily inoperable, or
2. Placed in a securely locked box or container, or

3. Placed in some other location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure from a minor.

These laws are working out so well in Chicago, we should force them everywhere. Not to mention it's another tax that's not a tax. Every legal firearm owner will have to pay a $25 license fee (tax) every year. That'll add up to some big bucks!

I think its ironic that you can read........
Yet this bill as was pointed out by someboody else in this thread is meaningless!!
 

poohbear

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
And so it starts. Its funny to think of all the times some empty talking head said "gun owners have nothing to fear". Of course we dont. Nothing to fear at all... Granted this has just been drafted but the point is quite clear. The Democrats dont give a shit about anythying other then putting their boot on the back of all of us.

Notice the section on licensing. No license, no firearm. License is shall issue with no timeframe. Which means the feds can choose not to give you a license before yours expires and without it your an instant criminal.

Now someone tell me again how we're "all on the same side"......

HR 45

dude, what exactly do you need, or want, a gun for? u're not in a warzone are u? i was in the army 3 years and i can assure you it gets boring REAL quick firing guns over and over. sure the 1st 2 months were exciting and interesting firing different weapons, but it gets repititve real quick.

Besides, I CANT STAND CLEANING GUNS. i swear cleaning guns made shooting them such a chore. It takes forever to clean em of carbon after you shoot em, so i can't understand how anyone can have it as a hobby? (assuming that's why you own em?)
 

SolMiester

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Originally posted by: poohbear
Originally posted by: Specop 007
And so it starts. Its funny to think of all the times some empty talking head said "gun owners have nothing to fear". Of course we dont. Nothing to fear at all... Granted this has just been drafted but the point is quite clear. The Democrats dont give a shit about anythying other then putting their boot on the back of all of us.

Notice the section on licensing. No license, no firearm. License is shall issue with no timeframe. Which means the feds can choose not to give you a license before yours expires and without it your an instant criminal.

Now someone tell me again how we're "all on the same side"......

HR 45

dude, what exactly do you need, or want, a gun for? u're not in a warzone are u? i was in the army 3 years and i can assure you it gets boring REAL quick firing guns over and over. sure the 1st 2 months were exciting and interesting firing different weapons, but it gets repititve real quick.

Besides, I CANT STAND CLEANING GUNS. i swear cleaning guns made shooting them such a chore. It takes forever to clean em of carbon after you shoot em, so i can't understand how anyone can have it as a hobby? (assuming that's why you own em?)

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Care to clarify your concern? You have a problem with requiring a license to own a firearm? Why is this a problem? I need a driver's license, I need a fishing license, why would firearms be different?

Umm... Just gonna take a stab at this one...

Where in the constitution did our founding fathers feel the need to establish a specific right to go fishing... or drive... ???

They did, however, take the time to write the second amendment. You know... the part where it says that a free populace is dependant on that populace's ability to obtain and possess weapons. That's the problem. That concept is what is under attack.

If you're going to make an argument one way or the other, you might want to compare apples to apples.