And so the home building problems continue...

TheCanuck

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I'm usually a fairly reasonable person but I have to think this isn't very neighborly. Two months ago we contracted a local builder to build us a house in their new development. Briefly spoke with the neighbor while we were looking at the land and he said part of our property was making up his backyard and he would like to talk to us about fencing it in if we decided to build. So right after we started to build a few weeks ago I notice a shed pop up in his backyard near what I believe is our land. So I contacted the sales rep and he confirmed that it was on our land and that they'd resurvey the lots etc, ask the neighbor to move the shed and that the neighbor had expressed interest in purchasing the land from us.

When we first started building I was considering just giving him the land and let him pay for the re-survey but now I'm not so sure. He knew exactly where the property line was and even told us he wanted that land. Now by putting up a shed on our future property he jeopardizes my closing since I can't obtain title to land that has an encroachment on it. Plus, In PA there is a law called adverse possession where if you maintain a piece of property for 7 years and no one claims it then you essentially own that land.

I don't want to squabble over an insignificant piece of land but this is just ticking me off. So do I just grant him access to the land, sell it to him at a reduced/increased price or call the boys from Deliverance over, pull that shed down and throw a bonfire party?

Cliffs:

1) Future neighbor told us he wanted part of our land
2) Neighbor knew property boundaries and placed shed on the land without asking anyone
3) The encroachment will prevent me from obtaining clear title on the land
4) Encroachment could also harm future sale of property
5) Neighbor was told to move shed over a week ago but hasn't moved it.
6) Sell him the land, grant him access, or burn that sucker down!?!!

Pics:

Neighbor & Shed

Property Line

Shed Closeup


Update:

Talked to developer and he said that he thinks a sliver of land such as that would be worth $4000 to $5000. And he offered to let us use his surveyor for free after I close to split up the land.

Update:

Talked with the neighbor to see what the deal was. He told me that the builder told him that I didn't really care about the land so he decided that if I didn't care that I wouldn't mind if he put up a shed up. When I told him that he'll need to move it in order for us to close he said he didn't have a problem with that (no sh!t) but that he wanted to move it back to the same spot "if it was ok with me". I told him that I won't have an encroachment on my land for legal issues and the fact that it could interfere with my selling the land down the road. He said he "understood and that if we have to we might be able to figure out some sort of compensation" but danced around the issue about purchasing the piece of land from me.

 

Patt

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Check your legal options. If I didn't want to sell him the land, I'd ask for the removal of the shed myself. Especially since he knowingly built it on your land. Start playin' the banjo at that point :p
 

sygyzy

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You seem well versed in property law. Forget about being neighborly. Do what is right, even if its' mean. Remove the shed. Kick it down the hill.
 

mcvickj

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WTF? I'm assuming those stakes establish the property line? If so that shed would be gone in a heart beat.
 

dullard

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My thoughts.
1) You want to stay on good terms. If you have an angry neighbor, you'll be miserable for years. He is already showing that he is being a dick, so you know that a bad neighbor is a definite possibility.

2) From your 2nd picture, it looks like that little piece of property is useless to you and quite useful to him. The best bet is to see if you can sell it to him.

3) Thus, combining #1 and #2, don't try to screw him. Let this rude gesture on his part slide for now. Attempt to sell him the property at a fair value (don't screw yourself by being a pushover and don't frustrate this issue more by trying to overprice it).

4) Don't wait on this issue. That'll keep problems minimal down the line and it'll show that you aren't going to be a pushover.

5) Good luck.
 

TheCanuck

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Well land isn't mine yet until we close on the property. Right now it is up to the builder to make sure he removes the shed.

I just think this was a stupid move on his part. He knew that land wasn't his property yet decided to be an a$$ and put a shed up anyway. It's like he's trying to be the "bigboy" on the block and take what he wants. Plus now my wife is stressed out since he was the first one to move into the neighborhood, seems well liked by the other neighbors, his kids play with everyone else's kids etc.

But I'm pi$$ed off that he would attempt to steal a piece of land from me even if it isn't that useful to me. Plus there are liability issues with him putting up a shed on my property etc. If the shed fell over while someone was in it I could potentially get sued.

Now I obviously don't want to be a prick and say "Give me $20,000 for that piece of land" but I'm not going to just bend over and let him take what he wants either.
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: dullard
My thoughts.
1) You want to stay on good terms. If you have an angry neighbor, you'll be miserable for years. He is already showing that he is being a dick, so you know that a bad neighbor is a definite possibility.

2) From your 2nd picture, it looks like that little piece of property is useless to you and quite useful to him. The best bet is to see if you can sell it to him.

3) Thus, combining #1 and #2, don't try to screw him. Let this rude gesture on his part slide for now. Attempt to sell him the property at a fair value (don't screw yourself by being a pushover and don't frustrate this issue more by trying to overprice it).

4) Don't wait on this issue. That'll keep problems minimal down the line and it'll show that you aren't going to be a pushover.

5) Good luck.


Agree. It doesn't look like you can ever do anything useful with that little corner. I'd sell it to him for the price of the survey and whatever paperwork it takes. But you may have to talk to him about moving it for the purpose of the closing.

And if he doesn't agree ... well, that looks like a nice little plot to raise ome hogs on :evil: That's another old Penn. Dutch farmer's suburban warfare tactic.
 
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Tell him he can purchase it for X amount. If not, Remind him that it can get very windy and that shed just might get blown over the edge of the hill and down the slope.
 

TheCanuck

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Yup I own the hillside and property below. The way they surveyed the land is just stupid. I would've preferred they give him that entire hillside and the land below that as well since I can't use it. Plus there's an easement on the land so I can't build anything there either.

I definitely can't use that little corner and never had any intentions on keeping it in the first place.
 

rh71

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sell it to him but definitely don't be nice about it if you know what I mean.
 

JDMnAR1

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That was right neighborly of him, building you a pretty new shed like that and you not even moved in yet. :D
 

Stuxnet

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I would just talk to him about it. Clarify to him that it's on land that you're purchasing and ask him what his intentions were. Don't be confrontational, but just try to get to the point of what the hell he was thinking when he put it up.

This is one of those things that probably needs to play out a little more before a decision can be made.

If the land isn't useful to you but it is to him, I would sell it to him at FMV, and not a dime less.
 

Bryophyte

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Are you allowed to put a fence up on your lot line?

You might want to have access to that property so that you can maintain your hillside.
 

Baked

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Are you Native American by any chance? I heard the white people like to claim your people's land or buy it for a few bucks.
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
I would just talk to him about it. Clarify to him that it's on land that you're purchasing and ask him what his intentions were. Don't be confrontational, but just try to get to the point of what the hell he was thinking when he put it up.

This is one of those things that probably needs to play out a little more before a decision can be made.

If the land isn't useful to you but it is to him, I would sell it to him at FMV, and not a dime less.

So what's full market value for a little 1/100th acre piece of undevelopable land?