If the Mexican invasion continues unabated, I wouldn't hold much stock in the idea that the United States will continue in its present form.
I was going to call you stupid, but that would have been an understatement. You honestly believe that the future belongs to Russia (whose problems are much worse than Europe's) or Israel (A small country of a few million) while a rich block of 27+ countries and half a billion people is irrelevant?
and you wonder why they call it blind hatred...
You'll have to excuse Raildogg... he has an irrational hardon for Israel, especially their government. I don't know where his hatred of Europe comes from... maybe that they typically support the Palestinians.
It would be nice if the Europe's native population were to increase, though...
Hey! I think i just stumbled upon a neocon/pnac/conservative circle jerk. I must run ... before ... intelligence ... waning ... superciliary ridge growing ... ack ... crainium shrinking ... ugh ... agh ... conservatives good, imperialism good, war better. Me like smash poor now with club. No share, take all.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
"I don't want to name any examples of catastrophes, where you can see what happens when there is no organized state. I could name countries, but the office I still hold forbids that- but everybody knows I mean America." -German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder
Of course everyone knows who you mean :roll:
As this buttclown takes one last cheap shot at the US before stepping down, I just have to reflect on the upsidedown nature of many moral dimwits, and just smile at their psychological infancy.
Of course we have the recent Nobel (as if that means anything anymore) Prize winner in Literature, British playwright Harold Pinter, speaking a couple years ago:
"The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany."
And that's the lighter stuff...
Is it no wonder at all that the American public casts a skeptical eye towards our own leftist "internationalists" and Europe-worshipers?
But perhaps the best recent quote I came across was this funny bit by Peter Mayhew, who played Chewbacca, on his becoming an American citizen about a week ago:
"Whatever people say about America, it is still one of the most wonderful countries in the world, despite the politics, religion, and everything else that goes on."
I can actually appreciate his take, and I think it subtly defines the love-hate relationship many people have with the USA. And congrats on being an American, Peter!
Interesting that you can appreciate the words of Chewbacca over the words of a nobel prize winner only because he's giving America a nice tongue bath. Being a well-adjusted adult means being able to accept criticism, and if it's valid and constructive, consider it and consider change. I'm not saying your two examples are constructive, but your child-like reaction to it certainly falls neatly in line with the intellectual dimwits (see how I riff off your childish name-calling?) who cannot manage (or bear to) separate their country from themselves and cannot accept any degree of criticism without reaching for their six-shooters.
"Dems fightin' words," eh CW?
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain
These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.
Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.
You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.
With the declining birth rates, or even decreasing populations in some of these countries, what makes you think otherwise? Their educational infrastructure is not near as it once was. Their loss of national identities will not help. Their loss of pride will not help. The poor labor force in Europe imported from outside will help only so much. The many Turks living in Germany get treated like second class citizens.
Japan is having the same type of problems, although Japan is more relevant than Europe even as we speak.
Europe is old history. Literally!
All countries face their own set of problems.
China is facing a labor shortage and problems that come with countries determined to expand their industrial capacity.
India, a huge democracy, has exactly that problem. It's a huge democracy and it gets nothing done.
Russia is still having equally huge problems with oligarchs and the criminilized economy. Putin has done little but support this during his term. The prosecution of Kharasovsky? Nothing but a scape goat, and merely because he happend to piss of the wrong people.
Israel? A rising superpower? Unlikely.
I'm not suggesting that Europe is going to become the next big thing, but you never know when the world will start using the Euro as the world's reserve currency. That could spell trouble for America's rising deficit, etc...etc...Just make sure you keep an open mind about the future because at best we can make a guess.
Actually I don't feel your point is valid. Because I don't see how you can deduce that I can't take criticism of my country from the OP. There's a difference between criticizing -which I do often- and making outrageously dumb statements. My point is not that it's bad to criticize, but rather that some people like Schroeder and Pinter make really stupid statements.
And if you don't like my style, well, too damn bad
you're posts are irrelevent. YOu spew more nonsense than anyone here, with the possible exception of a very select few.
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain
These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.
Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.
You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.
With the declining birth rates, or even decreasing populations in some of these countries, what makes you think otherwise? Their educational infrastructure is not near as it once was. Their loss of national identities will not help. Their loss of pride will not help. The poor labor force in Europe imported from outside will help only so much. The many Turks living in Germany get treated like second class citizens.
Japan is having the same type of problems, although Japan is more relevant than Europe even as we speak.
Europe is old history. Literally!
that doesn't even make sense.
you're posts are irrelevent. YOu spew more nonsense than anyone here, with the possible exception of a very select few.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Actually I don't feel your point is valid. Because I don't see how you can deduce that I can't take criticism of my country from the OP. There's a difference between criticizing -which I do often- and making outrageously dumb statements. My point is not that it's bad to criticize, but rather that some people like Schroeder and Pinter make really stupid statements.
And if you don't like my style, well, too damn bad
You clearly can't take it because you've resorted to posting threads in this very forum complaining about it. In other words, it's self-evident.
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain
These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.
Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.
You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.
Status quo for EU is lots of social programs and 1.5% GDP growth.
Eventually the rest of the world will simply dwarf you in economic power and the radical muslims will eat you from within.
But you get a whole month off in August so it even out lmao
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain
These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.
Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.
You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.
With the declining birth rates, or even decreasing populations in some of these countries, what makes you think otherwise? Their educational infrastructure is not near as it once was. Their loss of national identities will not help. Their loss of pride will not help. The poor labor force in Europe imported from outside will help only so much. The many Turks living in Germany get treated like second class citizens.
Japan is having the same type of problems, although Japan is more relevant than Europe even as we speak.
Europe is old history. Literally!
that doesn't even make sense.
What doesnt make sense? You realize Europe has a negative birth rate for white christian europeans? How do you propose they sustain economic growth with a negative birth rate?
By 2060 the native population is expected to be a minority. Who do you think will fill in their place?
Maybe encourage the white christian Europeans to have more children? The Pope ought to be screaming that from his balcony in the Vatican.
That won't happen due to the perverse, decadent culture of Europe. The women are too busy with work. These Europeans don't seem to care at all about their religious past, so the Pope cannot do much. Especially outside of Italy and Spain. And Italy and Spain, the two most Catholic countries, have declining birth rates among their native populations.
Ireland seems to be doing better than the other countries, though.
When you leave religion behind, become a society with no morals and no self-control, disaster often occurs. It has occurred in Europe's past before, and it is happening right now. Perverse behavior was one of the reasons for Rome's decline.
If you think America is sexually outrageous, then you haven't seen these modern Europeans in action. They put everyone else to shame, maybe with the exception of the Japanese and the Russians.
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Originally posted by: raildogg
That won't happen due to the perverse, decadent culture of Europe. The women are too busy with work. These Europeans don't seem to care at all about their religious past, so the Pope cannot do much. Especially outside of Italy and Spain. And Italy and Spain, the two most Catholic countries, have declining birth rates among their native populations.
Ireland seems to be doing better than the other countries, though.
When you leave religion behind, become a society with no morals and no self-control, disaster often occurs. It has occurred in Europe's past before, and it is happening right now. Perverse behavior was one of the reasons for Rome's decline.
If you think America is sexually outrageous, then you haven't seen these modern Europeans in action. They put everyone else to shame, maybe with the exception of the Japanese and the Russians.
What do you mean by perverse behavior? Are you trying to say that society?s sexual norms affect its industrial growth?
I hope you understand that religion is not the only bases for morals, and Christian values are certainly not the only yardstick for morals. Rome that you spoke of fell after they accepted Christian values and left their multitheistic ones.
Add to that today's news that EU inflation is at 2.2%. And the gloom and doomers here are so distressed about 1.2%...
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain
These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.
Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.
You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.
With the declining birth rates, or even decreasing populations in some of these countries, what makes you think otherwise? Their educational infrastructure is not near as it once was. Their loss of national identities will not help. Their loss of pride will not help. The poor labor force in Europe imported from outside will help only so much. The many Turks living in Germany get treated like second class citizens.
Japan is having the same type of problems, although Japan is more relevant than Europe even as we speak.
Europe is old history. Literally!
that doesn't even make sense.
What doesnt make sense? You realize Europe has a negative birth rate for white christian europeans? How do you propose they sustain economic growth with a negative birth rate?
By 2060 the native population is expected to be a minority. Who do you think will fill in their place?
first of all, 2006 is a long ways off, and any projection that far in the future doesn't mean much.
second, i don't see the problem with negative population growth. Many european countries are very overpopulated. As long as the standard of living continues to increase, i don't see the problem.
Third, why does it matter who, if anyone takes their place. You seem very distraught that whites and christians might become a minority in an other continent that you and your ilk have some bizarre distaste for. Explain why please.
lol
religion != morality. In fact morality is impossible with religion.Ireland seems to be doing better than the other countries, though.
When you leave religion behind, become a society with no morals and no self-control, disaster often occurs.
Perverse behavior had nothing to do with romes decline. Infact if you actually bothered to think, you would note that the perverse behavior and senseless violence coresponds inversely to the decline of the empire, ie as the empire fell appart, people were less and less decedant.
have you seen them in action. Somehow i think not.
Originally posted by: raildogg
That won't happen due to the perverse, decadent culture of Europe. The women are too busy with work. These Europeans don't seem to care at all about their religious past, so the Pope cannot do much. Especially outside of Italy and Spain. And Italy and Spain, the two most Catholic countries, have declining birth rates among their native populations.
Ireland seems to be doing better than the other countries, though.
When you leave religion behind, become a society with no morals and no self-control, disaster often occurs. It has occurred in Europe's past before, and it is happening right now. Perverse behavior was one of the reasons for Rome's decline.
If you think America is sexually outrageous, then you haven't seen these modern Europeans in action. They put everyone else to shame, maybe with the exception of the Japanese and the Russians.
Hum.... couple of questions:
1) What's wrong with non-white, non-christian people? Do you hate them so much that you think that only white-christian people are able to provide a country economic growth? If so, how do you explain what the "asian-tigers", or China or India have done in the past few years, and will do in the next few decades?
2) Are you serious about the "perverse" thing? I mean... I never thought anybody from this century could really be defining something in the sexual sphere as perverse... what are you specifically talking about? Topless beaches?
3) If you do world statistics, the declining birth rate is roughly an inverse proportion of the GDP-pro-capita. Something wrong with this? Last time somebody in Europe asked his country to have more children, he was preparing a war....
Also, right now the birth rate in european countries has nothing to do with religion. Europe is mostly a laic continent. The reason is, people have more fun staying single untill they are in their 30s. The accumulated wealth is very high, the cultural landscape incredibly resourcefull and diverse, and people are enjoying it. Individual necessities should lead people lifes; or are you advocating the government should take over personal decisions in the sexual, social and emotional spheres?
The point is> Europe doesn't want more power in the world system. It wants to mantain its social, economic and cultural system. That's the main, and probably only, target. That's why the military expenses are so low. Most european people believe in international organizations for power-sharing, and war is no longer see as a solution to any but the most catastrophic situations. Nobody is interested in trying to be the next hegemon, the only geopolitical interest is mantain a role as regional superpower, only using the soft power coming from being a cultural beacon. Economic prosperity is the long term target, and many european economists think this will be manteined by stability, not double digits growths. Anybody trying to ignore these cultural beliefs won't get re-elected. Possible exception: France still deep involved into African political and economical development and still willing to expand its military power, but I would say this is more a reflection of its will to play a major role inside the european union than true global power ambitions.
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