And Now, about America...

[cwjerome]

"I don't want to name any examples of catastrophes, where you can see what happens when there is no organized state. I could name countries, but the office I still hold forbids that- but everybody knows I mean America." -German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder

Of course everyone knows who you mean :roll:

As this buttclown takes one last cheap shot at the US before stepping down, I just have to reflect on the upsidedown nature of many moral dimwits, and just smile at their psychological infancy.

Of course we have the recent Nobel (as if that means anything anymore) Prize winner in Literature, British playwright Harold Pinter, speaking a couple years ago:

"The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany."

And that's the lighter stuff...

Is it no wonder at all that the American public casts a skeptical eye towards our own leftist "internationalists" and Europe-worshipers?

But perhaps the best recent quote I came across was this funny bit by Peter Mayhew, who played Chewbacca, on his becoming an American citizen about a week ago:

"Whatever people say about America, it is still one of the most wonderful countries in the world, despite the politics, religion, and everything else that goes on."

I can actually appreciate his take, and I think it subtly defines the love-hate relationship many people have with the USA. And congrats on being an American, Peter!

 

[Pabster]

No surprises here. Schroeder and his cabinet were 100% corrupt. Germany was in cahoots with Iraq (just like our Frenchies) and they simply weren't willing to let all that financial gain go.

 

[Martin]

Nazi Germany? Nah...more like an old cornered animal. Its relative strength decreases every year, its actions become more and more constrained and yet..it cannot acknowledge that, it gets mad, it lashes out.

The reason why people have started to dislike the US so much is because a lot of people seem to want to go out with a bang, rather than fade gently into the night.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Martin
Nazi Germany? Nah...more like an old cornered animal. Its relative strength decreases every year, its actions become more and more constrained and yet..it cannot acknowledge that, it gets mad, it lashes out.

The reason why people have started to dislike the US so much is because a lot of people seem to want to go out with a bang, rather than fade gently into the night.

Yeah, we're in our "last throes" :roll:

The USSR was our equal in several ways for 40+years. But somehow we're pitching a superpower-sized fit that China is growing?

er, right....

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
"I don't want to name any examples of catastrophes, where you can see what happens when there is no organized state. I could name countries, but the office I still hold forbids that- but everybody knows I mean America." -German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder

Of course everyone knows who you mean :roll:

As this buttclown takes one last cheap shot at the US before stepping down, I just have to reflect on the upsidedown nature of many moral dimwits, and just smile at their psychological infancy.

Of course we have the recent Nobel (as if that means anything anymore) Prize winner in Literature, British playwright Harold Pinter, speaking a couple years ago:

"The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany."

And that's the lighter stuff...

Is it no wonder at all that the American public casts a skeptical eye towards our own leftist "internationalists" and Europe-worshipers?

But perhaps the best recent quote I came across was this funny bit by Peter Mayhew, who played Chewbacca, on his becoming an American citizen about a week ago:

"Whatever people say about America, it is still one of the most wonderful countries in the world, despite the politics, religion, and everything else that goes on."

I can actually appreciate his take, and I think it subtly defines the love-hate relationship many people have with the USA. And congrats on being an American, Peter!

Well no-sh**. As long as you're rich in america, everything is pretty cool. Heck, I'm pretty well off in the good ole US, and I must admit its nice being a citizen of this american empire.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: bdude
Well no-sh**. As long as you're rich in america, everything is pretty cool. Heck, I'm pretty well off in the good ole US, and I must admit its nice being a citizen of this american empire.

:beer: Fortunate, we are, rich or not.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Martin
Nazi Germany? Nah...more like an old cornered animal. Its relative strength decreases every year, its actions become more and more constrained and yet..it cannot acknowledge that, it gets mad, it lashes out.

The reason why people have started to dislike the US so much is because a lot of people seem to want to go out with a bang, rather than fade gently into the night.

Well actually I don't see them that bad...
http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EGDAXI&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
considering they are integrating a whole country in their social, political and economical tissue... I think they are doing amazingly good.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Martin
Nazi Germany? Nah...more like an old cornered animal. Its relative strength decreases every year, its actions become more and more constrained and yet..it cannot acknowledge that, it gets mad, it lashes out.

The reason why people have started to dislike the US so much is because a lot of people seem to want to go out with a bang, rather than fade gently into the night.

Yeah, we're in our "last throes" :roll:

The USSR was our equal in several ways for 40+years. But somehow we're pitching a superpower-sized fit that China is growing?

er, right....

Sorry, I don't have access to the Funny Dictionary that Cheney & possé use. Take a look any pretty much any measure USA in 1950 vs USA in 2005. I'll let the figures speak for themselves...

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Martin
Sorry, I don't have access to the Funny Dictionary that Cheney & possé use. Take a look any pretty much any measure USA in 1950 vs USA in 2005. I'll let the figures speak for themselves...

You mean 5 years after the civilized world half-destroyed itself? Ooooh :roll:

Whatever... I just want to get my versions straight. Some of the America-bashers seem to believe as you do, yet loads more think the US has reached over into an even higher empirial power status with the end of the cold war. And then there's a few more alternating stories...

It's a well-worn strategy, to be sure. Throw up random batches of BS onto the wall and see what sticks. I have to admit though, your particular brand of BS seems a little more putrid than most other American envy coddlers. Amusing though.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Martin
Nazi Germany? Nah...more like an old cornered animal. Its relative strength decreases every year, its actions become more and more constrained and yet..it cannot acknowledge that, it gets mad, it lashes out.

The reason why people have started to dislike the US so much is because a lot of people seem to want to go out with a bang, rather than fade gently into the night.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Seemed fitting

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Martin
Nazi Germany? Nah...more like an old cornered animal. Its relative strength decreases every year, its actions become more and more constrained and yet..it cannot acknowledge that, it gets mad, it lashes out.

The reason why people have started to dislike the US so much is because a lot of people seem to want to go out with a bang, rather than fade gently into the night.

Yeah, we're in our "last throes" :roll:

The USSR was our equal in several ways for 40+years. But somehow we're pitching a superpower-sized fit that China is growing?

er, right....

Sorry, I don't have access to the Funny Dictionary that Cheney & possé use. Take a look any pretty much any measure USA in 1950 vs USA in 2005. I'll let the figures speak for themselves...

Where are you from?

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
You mean 5 years after the civilized world half-destroyed itself? Ooooh :roll:

Whatever... I just want to get my versions straight. Some of the America-bashers seem to believe as you do, yet loads more think the US has reached over into an even higher empirial power status with the end of the cold war. And then there's a few more alternating stories...

It's a well-worn strategy, to be sure. Throw up random batches of BS onto the wall and see what sticks. I have to admit though, your particular brand of BS seems a little more putrid than most other American envy coddlers. Amusing though.

Yes, half the world almost destroyed itself, the other half was under the rule of the first half. But that is the whole point, that the US reached the peak of its power years ago, and has been on a decline since. Remember now, we're talking about its power in relation to other countries, so things like "we're 10x richer now than in '50" are irrelevant.

As for the imperialism, it has always been there. To some it may look like something new, because others are no longer following and supporting the US the way they used to. And why aren't they doing this? Because the US is not the strong leader it once was and countries don't have a problem saying "no".

oh, and it would be nice if you could reply with something that is more than just "lolzorz, thems leebruls is stoopid, kekekeke"

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Where are you from?

Born in Bulgaria, grew up mostly in Canada. Why do you ask?

 

[CanOWorms]

Schroeder is a Nazi himself. The man is a lunatic who advocated concentration camps. You don't need a better example of catastrophe than Europe, the continent of genocide.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Frackal
Where are you from?

Born in Bulgaria, grew up mostly in Canada. Why do you ask?

I actually typed out that you must be from Canada before erasing it. You have been real turds lately, I sincerely hope there is an opportunity where your vitriol and undeserved derision towards the US comes back to bite you.

Your nation has behaved absolutely disgustingly, spoiled and thankless Euro-sycophants who knife a longtime friend in the back at the first opportunity.

And continue to speak nastily about us in the so-called name of freedom and good principles while you ally with nations who have never promoted such things, and who are only around today to be free and prosperous, just as you are, because we either liberated them from tyrants or stood with them against tyrants.

 

[raildogg]

Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain

These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.

Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain

These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.

Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.

You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain

These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.

Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.

You're a fool if you truly believe that. All that we know of the future is that the status quo is never for long the status quo.

With the declining birth rates, or even decreasing populations in some of these countries, what makes you think otherwise? Their educational infrastructure is not near as it once was. Their loss of national identities will not help. Their loss of pride will not help. The poor labor force in Europe imported from outside will help only so much. The many Turks living in Germany get treated like second class citizens.

Japan is having the same type of problems, although Japan is more relevant than Europe even as we speak.

Europe is old history. Literally!

 

[Polish3d]

Europe is the Windows 98 of geopolitics

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Yeah America isn't as dominant as it once was but it is a lot more powerful than Europe will ever be. Europe has seen its best days and is slowly fading away. I can't complain

These arrogant buffoons deserve everything they get. They appease the radical muslims, who come to their countries in wave after wave and will eventually be the majority. When these arrogant Europeans finally do speak out against the radical culture of the Mid East, they get killed. Like Van Gogh.

Europe is old history now. The future belongs to India and China and America and Russia. And of course, Israel.

speaking of arrogant

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Pabster
No surprises here. Schroeder and his cabinet were 100% corrupt. Germany was in cahoots with Iraq (just like our Frenchies) and they simply weren't willing to let all that financial gain go.

:disgust:

 

[Pabster]

Ok, confused, you disagree with my assessment? Or do you just like emoticons?

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Frackal
I actually typed out that you must be from Canada before erasing it. You have been real turds lately, I sincerely hope there is an opportunity where your vitriol and undeserved derision towards the US comes back to bite you.

Your nation has behaved absolutely disgustingly, spoiled and thankless Euro-sycophants who knife a longtime friend in the back at the first opportunity.

And continue to speak nastily about us in the so-called name of freedom and good principles while you ally with nations who have never promoted such things, and who are only around today to be free and prosperous, just as you are, because we either liberated them from tyrants or stood with them against tyrants.

*yawn*
It would have been more amusing if you sang that song from south park...

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Europe is the Windows 98 of geopolitics

If that's the case, then the U.S., right now, is Windows ME.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I don't believe that America has lost any of its power. I think we have simply lost the will to use that power, and that fact has become obvious to the rest of the world.
I think it started in the 60's with the anti-war protests. I don't think the anti-war protests were a bad thing, but the protesters didn't go away when the war ended. They stuck around protesting things as a way of life, and the more they won the better their tactics became at manipulating the system, but with out a solidifying goal they ended up opposing just about everything.
Then the cold war ended, and the American people lost the unifying factor of a common enemy. We were tired of being the vanguard of the world, and we decided to take a break. I think 9/11 woke us up from that, but we are still looking around trying to decide who the new enemy is, we know it is terrorism, but that is just a concept and like the war on drugs it has little power to motivate us. Until we find that motivation, we will not be the strong leader our power allows for, and the rest of the world seems to expect.