...and I haven't even started on Hillary yet

[fskimospy]

I bet he actually believes the 5.x% unemployment rate. Totally delusional on how the unemployment rate is calculated. The real rate is estimated to be in the 30-40 range. If you are counting 16 and up, it's actually 40%~.

http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/donald-trump-unemployment-rate-jobs/

There's no need to 'believe' anything. The U3 rate is what it is. There is no 'real rate' of unemployment, as that's a nonsensical term. Counting everyone who is 16 and older who isn't working as unemployed is also completely retarded, which is why we calculate 'unemployment' as well as employment to population ratio. To get to the 30-40% range you need to start counting people who are retired, going to college full time, are disabled, etc. as unemployed.

Yes, in order to make your number make sense you need to count a 90 year old retired grandmother in a coma as 'unemployed'.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Oh god, you've gone full retard!

you may want to reconsider the tense you've used in that post...

 

[SP33Demon]

Oh god, you've gone full retard!

I'm guessing you're another tard like eski who thinks we're close to "full employment" hahahahaha

 

[fskimospy]

I'm guessing you're another tard like eski who thinks we're close to "full employment" hahahahaha

Do you even know what full employment is? What do you think the labor force participation rate should be?

 

[SP33Demon]

There's no need to 'believe' anything. The U3 rate is what it is. There is no 'real rate' of unemployment, as that's a nonsensical term. Counting everyone who is 16 and older who isn't working as unemployed is also completely retarded, which is why we calculate 'unemployment' as well as employment to population ratio. To get to the 30-40% range you need to start counting people who are retired, going to college full time, are disabled, etc. as unemployed.

Yes, in order to make your number make sense you need to count a 90 year old retired grandmother in a coma as 'unemployed'.

No shit, and we're at late 1970's levels of employment and this is your best response? lmao. Have you looked at a population pyramid lately? Millennials, who are mostly working age, are fucking sitting at home twiddling their thumbs. Yet our friend here Eski is claiming we're close to "full employment". GTFO

 

[BoberFett]

Trump has nothing but soundbytes, platitudes and rhetoric. We are reaching the point in the campaign where is has to get more like the general election. People are going to expect to hear about actual plans and policies and a few specifics. Trump has none of that. "It's going to be great" and "the best people" are the type of answers that will be a Yuuuge flop among the general electorate.

Trump will flame out worse than Romney, no matter who runs against him.

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average voter. Plans, policies and specifics? What elections have you have been watching?

 

[HTFOff]

Soundbites work. Just ask mittens.

 

[fskimospy]

No shit, and we're at late 1970's levels of employment and this is your best response? lmao. Have you looked at a population pyramid lately? Millennials, who are mostly working age, are fucking sitting at home twiddling their thumbs. Yet our friend here Eski is claiming we're close to "full employment". GTFO

Have you looked at a population pyramid lately? The percentage of Americans of prime working age has been steadily declining for the last 15 years.

 

[FerrelGeek]

The same can be said for your beloved Hillary. She's cold, harsh, shrill, and that stupid barking thing she did has only begun to be used against her.

That's the thing though. He's already known for abusiveness and people don't like him. There is no need to find new things for people to dislike him about as he's already losing to everyone. He is the most widely hated presumptive nominee that had ever been.

The job of any general election opponent is basically going to be to remind people that Donald Trump is Donald Trump.

 

[Bowfinger]

I bet he actually believes the 5.x% unemployment rate. Totally delusional on how the unemployment rate is calculated. The real rate is estimated to be in the 30-40 range. If you are counting 16 and up, it's actually 40%~.

http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/donald-trump-unemployment-rate-jobs/

More reading fail. It's sad that you looked at that article and believe it supports Trump's dishonest claim. I didn't think it was humanly possible to guzzle that much Kool-Aid. Do you have an IV, maybe?

 

[echo4747]

has the the way in which the unemployment rate is calculated changed from the time just before the "economic meltdown" near the end Bush administration changed in any way as to how it is currently calculated?

 

[fskimospy]

The same can be said for your beloved Hillary. She's cold, harsh, shrill, and that stupid barking thing she did has only begun to be used against her.

I don't love Hillary and you're totally right that she would be an unpopular general election candidate as compared to the historical average.

Guess who she's much, much more popular than though? Donald Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

has the the way in which the unemployment rate is calculated changed from the time just before the "economic meltdown" near the end Bush administration changed in any way as to how it is currently calculated?

Not that I am aware of, no. Why do you ask?

 

[echo4747]

Not that I am aware of, no. Why do you ask?

because if i look at the unemployment figures from that time period to some more current ones. i want to know if I am comparing apples to apples

 

[ivwshane]

has the the way in which the unemployment rate is calculated changed from the time just before the "economic meltdown" near the end Bush administration changed in any way as to how it is currently calculated?

No.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-28-1Ajobless28_ST_N.htm

The change will not affect how the unemployed are counted or the unemployment rate is computed nor how long those eligible for unemployment benefits receive them. Analysts call the move a sign of the times.

The last time the unemployment rate calculations were changed was under Clinton.

 

[jackstar7]

Anyone continuing to engage with Speed clearly has too much time on their hands. Go volunteer somewhere.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Trump has nothing but soundbytes, platitudes and rhetoric. We are reaching the point in the campaign where is has to get more like the general election. People are going to expect to hear about actual plans and policies and a few specifics. Trump has none of that. "It's going to be great" and "the best people" are the type of answers that will be a Yuuuge flop among the general electorate.

Trump will flame out worse than Romney, no matter who runs against him.

I do not think so. For example

Trump said, we will not cut social security or increase it to 70. People like this.

Trump said, why cut our social services when we can cut all the aid we hand out and let countries fund their own protection.

Trump's agenda is more Nationalist and not globalist like Clinton. since the 1980s he has been talking about these issues.

Americans already know what we are getting with a Globalist agenda at the expense of the nation so we can enrich a bunch of fat cats.

His message will start resonating more, and then as he starts throwing his jabs about her being a puppet etc it will begin to eat into her campaign.

 

[fskimospy]

I do not think so. For example

Trump said, we will not cut social security or increase it to 70. People like this.

Trump said, why cut our social services when we can cut all the aid we hand out and let countries fund their own protection.

Trump's agenda is more Nationalist and not globalist like Clinton. since the 1980s he has been talking about these issues.

Americans already know what we are getting with a Globalist agenda at the expense of the nation so we can enrich a bunch of fat cats.

His message will start resonating more, and then as he starts throwing his jabs about her being a puppet etc it will begin to eat into her campaign.

Foreign aid accounts for approximately 1% of the US budget. Eliminating it entirely wouldn't really change much.

If you don't like enriching a bunch of fat cats, how does it sit with you that Trump's only clearly articulated policy serves to redistribute more wealth to the .01% than any other tax policy in all of US history?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Trump might be crazy enough to pull the coin seigniorage stunt to nullify some debt. I would say some seignorage to wipe out 7-8 trillion out of our debt would definitely be a quick fix solution.

It would be like a company issuing stock to pay off senior notes. Hey thats called a business decision.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Foreign aid accounts for approximately 1% of the US budget. Eliminating it entirely wouldn't really change much.

If you don't like enriching a bunch of fat cats, how does it sit with you that Trump's only clearly articulated policy serves to redistribute more wealth to the .01% than any other tax policy in all of US history?

yeah 1% of how much LOL every bit helps. I bet that 1% would help fund social security. Let the french retire at 70.

 

[echo4747]

yeah 1% of how much LOL every bit helps. I bet that 1% would help fund social security. Let the french retire at 70.

well that 1% should equal around 40 billion dollars... i think social security pays out around 870 billion a year.. so yes 40 billion/yr more to social security would help that agency

 

[jackstar7]

Oh man... please don't cut foreign aid.

I'd rather not see our problems explode ten-fold.

 

[Mai72]

Doing bad with women? The Donald is doing great with Repub women. In fact, better than all the other R candidates. From 2 days ago:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-boasts-success-women/story?id=37661711


Trump is called the Teflon Don for a reason.

Yes, Republican women who would never EVER vote for Hillary anyway. Your point?

The thing is there are many more women who vote Democrat. That's one of the reasons why Obama was able to win the Presidency twice! Trump has offended most women, minorities, etc.

 

[Mai72]

I still laugh at people who think one person is going to fix their woes. Nope. It's not going to happen. You are the only person who has the control to put your life in a better position.

Let's look at the economy. Do you really think you'll see a fatter bank account if Donald or Hillary gets into office? Many people are fools. It should be expected since many Americans have a difficult time with that little word called RESPONSIBILITY!

Its when you look at your bank account and you only have a few hundred dollars. You could say...

"Oh crap. I need more money. It's my responsibility to make more money. Maybe I should stop watching Netflix, playing video games, or stop posting on ATOT."

Instead, many people say...

"It's those god damn Mexicans who are stealing all the jobs! Let's get rid of them all. They are the reason why my bank account sucks."

That's not the issue. I love talking with wealthy people. You know. The people that many on ATOT despise. The one constant that they have told me over and over is there is so much money that you could make $100m and no one would ever notice.

Stop looking for an easy fix people. Trump ain't gonna save you. Hillary ain't either. Only you can do that. You either make the life you want, or you become a slave and make someone else's dreams a reality.

 

[SP33Demon]

Have you looked at a population pyramid lately? The percentage of Americans of prime working age has been steadily declining for the last 15 years.

BLS population stats say otherwise. The prime working age (25-54) pool isn't declining at all, in fact its numbers have increased since the Baby Boomer generation:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat03.htm

2015 stats for total Labor Force -
Millennials 25-34: 34,647
35-44: 32,603
45-54: 33,902
Baby boomer age 55-64: 25,954

Now look at the unemployed numbers:
Millennials 25-34: 1,905
35-44: 1,351
45-54: 1,259
Baby boomer age 55-64: 978

One other number that caught my eye.
Age 25-64 out of the labor force: 23957+8511=32,468
Age 65+ out of the labor force: 37,708

So people of working age 25-64 out of the labor force almost = as many senior citizens 65+ out of the labor force. That is fucked up.

It's also disturbing that Millennials 25-34 are unemployed at a 1/3~ higher rate relative to the other 3 working age cohorts. And this isn't even including the 16-24 group which would equate to another 2,100 unemployed. Adding them together, the 16-34 age group has 4,372 unemployed which represents 52.7% (4372/8296) of all unemployed in the country among all ages. That's a pretty high rate of unemployment for these young folk.

Furthermore, Census projects that we'll continue to experience a population increase that holds steady through 2050. So this will only get worse if the trend of young people not being able to find work holds:

Hence why we are seeing younger people going for Sanders/Trump more, many don't have a job and/or are just sitting at home so may as well hope for free shit or more jobs. To make matters worse, half of baby boomers are reluctant to retire which are preventing the other cohorts from advancing into those baby boomer positions which would open more jobs for the 16-34 cohort. Not to mention people of working age sitting at home as if they're already senior citizens. This economy is only going to get worse unless we can coax more jobs to the states, or increase welfare dramatically for everyone. I'd rather try to get companies to come to the states before the welfare option, and if we do increase welfare make it EITC based so people have more incentive to actually work.