...and I haven't even started on Hillary yet

[Genx87]

When watching the GOP debates I had to laugh when he would say that. And part of the reason why I am hoping he secures the GOP nomination. Him on stage with Hillary tearing into her without a care in the world will be worth the destruction of the GOP for 2016.

 

[fskimospy]

Talking about train wrecks...have you looked at what Bernie is proposing?

Compare and contrast at your own peril.

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/All Charts_0.pdf

I think Bernie's proposals are a disaster too. That's the primary reason I don't like him despite agreeing with him ideologically.

On the other hand you seem to be implicitly acknowledging that Trump's plans are incompetent train wrecks but still support him.

 

[SP33Demon]

You really are clueless.

John Gotti was called the "The Teflon Don", the Drumpf thing is incidental BS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti

My name is Don actually, a few supervisors used to jokingly refer to me with that nickname now and then at work, because there were a few occasions young inspectors would try to reject my parts.

I would prove they were just inspected wrong and they were made to spec, hence the Telon thing.

If by clueless you mean nothing sticks to Trump and he keeps winning states then sure. A shame you're not voting for someone who shares the same nickname as you. Teflon Don votes for Teflon Don. I like the sound of that.

 

[SP33Demon]

I think Bernie's proposals are a disaster too. That's the primary reason I don't like him despite agreeing with him ideologically.

On the other hand you seem to be implicitly acknowledging that Trump's plans are incompetent train wrecks but still support him.

He's the only one being praised by economists for the nominal tax cuts so he has the best economic plan. Also no one is talking about smacking companies down who think they are going to leave the U.S. for slave labor except the Donald. Nobody is talking about a wall + full deportation except for Donald (cruz is now copying him on the wall bit). Nobody is talking about pulling out military for companies that are fucking us financially except the Teflon Don. Face it - he has his niche and he plays it well.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It is funny how Trump has a left wing tilt to him but the base of the GOP is voting for him big time! I think this may show it isnt about policy as much as about teams. Some of Trumps views on immigration and economic isolation line up with Sanders.

I agree...Trump is much more liberal than most Republicans imagine. I think his appeal is that people believe him when he says he's going to fix immigration, the VA mess, or trade issues hindering US manufacturing. Unions like him and he's likely to get some significant crossover. He doesn't care about PC crap or the establishment (which many from both sides are fed up with). When he says he's going to do something, people believe that he's going to do whatever it takes to get it done. People are tired of all the BS.

 

[fskimospy]

He's the only one being praised by economists for the nominal tax cuts so he has the best economic plan.

I have not seen a single nonpartisan economist or policy analysis group that has praised his tax plan. In fact, it seems to have been met with basically universal derision. So far the only thing I've seen you supply is a partisan economist praising one small part of his overall tax plan while ignoring the rest.

That's what I like to call a lie by omission. You should apologize for your dishonesty.

Also no one is talking about smacking companies down who think they are going to leave the U.S. for slave labor except the Donald. Nobody is talking about a wall + full deportation except for Donald (cruz is now copying him on the wall bit). Nobody is talking about pulling out military for companies that are fucking us financially except the Teflon Don. Face it - he has his niche and he plays it well.

This is all nonsense.

 

[Genx87]

I agree...Trump is much more liberal than most Republicans imagine. I think his appeal is that people believe him when he says he's going to fix immigration, the VA mess, or trade issues hindering US manufacturing. Unions like him and he's likely to get some significant crossover. He doesn't care about PC crap or the establishment (which many from both sides are fed up with). When he says he's going to do something, people believe that he's going to do whatever it takes to get it done. People are tired of all the BS.

It will also be interesting to see if he secures the nomination how many blue collar democrats he can pull across the aisle. The shit he is spewing conservative blue collar democrats believe. Like economic isolation, restricting immigration, going after Muslims.

 

[SP33Demon]

I have not seen a single nonpartisan economist or policy analysis group that has praised his tax plan. In fact, it seems to have been met with basically universal derision. So far the only thing I've seen you supply is a partisan economist praising one small part of his overall tax plan while ignoring the rest.

That's what I like to call a lie by omission. You should apologize for your dishonesty.



This is all nonsense.

Only nonsense in your little brain. What do you think a 10T deficit is defined as? I'll tell you, it's a stimulus for the American people. Trump is going to write checks to the American people in the form of tax cuts. Voters don't give a shit about revenue neutral, they want Trump to legally raid the Fed and give everyone a stimulus like Bush wrote a check for 3.3 Trillion in the "backdoor bailout" to Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, and Morgan Stanley.
http://www.thenation.com/article/fe...rovided-33-trillion-loans-banks-corporations/

Also, if Obama can up our national debt by 8T, then there's nothing wrong with Trump upping it another 10T. If you say debt is bad, then you are an Obama supporting hypocrite. The dollar hasn't gotten any weaker despite out deficit almost doubling under Obama.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/debt-under-obama-8000000000000

Summary: Bush spent trillions in bailout and stimulus money, Obama spent 8T so Trump's proposal with a 10T deficit shouldn't be alarming for anyone. It's time the people actually got something for once. Cruz' plan does the same thing, 8T deficit. Sanders is even higher.

 

[MongGrel]

If by clueless you mean nothing sticks to Trump and he keeps winning states then sure. A shame you're not voting for someone who shares the same nickname as you. Teflon Don votes for Teflon Don. I like the sound of that.

Not happening, go do some squats.

 

[fskimospy]

Only nonsense in your little brain. What do you think a 10T deficit is defined as? I'll tell you, it's a stimulus for the American people. Trump is going to write checks to the American people in the form of tax cuts. Voters don't give a shit about revenue neutral, they want Trump to legally raid the Fed and give everyone a loan like Bush wrote a check for 3.3 Trillion in the "backdoor bailout" to Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, and Morgan Stanley.
http://www.thenation.com/article/fe...rovided-33-trillion-loans-banks-corporations/

So this seems to be an implicit admission that no nonpartisan economists or policy analysis groups have praised his tax plan as you claimed.

That means you just implicitly admitted you lied. When will you be apologizing?

Also, if Obama can up our national debt by 8T, then there's nothing wrong with Trump upping it another 10T. If you say debt is bad, then you are an Obama supporting hypocrite.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/debt-under-obama-8000000000000

Basic economics tells you that you're wrong. Running up deficits to counteract the effects of a worldwide economic catastrophe is a good thing. Purposefully creating $1 trillion+ deficits in an economy running close to full employment is stupid.

You don't appear to realize just how incompetent Trump really is. It's not just that he has bad ideas, he doesn't even seem to be knowledgeable enough to understand the topic.

Summary: Bush spent trillions in bailout and stimulus money, Obama spent 8T so Trump's proposal with a 10T deficit shouldn't be alarming for anyone. It's time the people actually got something for once.

Summary: you need to take some basic economics classes and you're a liar. Apologize for your dishonesty.

 

[SP33Demon]

So this seems to be an implicit admission that no nonpartisan economists or policy analysis groups have praised his tax plan as you claimed.

That means you just implicitly admitted you lied. When will you be apologizing?

Basic economics tells you that you're wrong. Running up deficits to counteract the effects of a worldwide economic catastrophe is a good thing. Purposefully creating $1 trillion+ deficits in an economy running close to full employment is stupid.

You don't appear to realize just how incompetent Trump really is. It's not just that he has bad ideas, he doesn't even seem to be knowledgeable enough to understand the topic.

Summary: you need to take some basic economics classes and you're a liar. Apologize for your dishonesty.

Nice excuse, the subprime crisis. That's actually strengthens the argument for Trump to raid the Fed and give the money to us - many people got screwed. The American people don't give a shit about deficit debt because they voted for W again despite a huge deficit. Everyone loved Bush' tax cut stimulus. Obama and W getting re-elected proved that nobody cares. The world doesn't care (dollar strength wasn't affected), and the people don't care as evidence by their votes. Apologize? lol. Here's a tissue.

BTW, you like the poor don't you? Trump said if you make <=25K or <=50K jointly then they would owe zero taxes. That's 75 million households. I guess you really aren't for the poor. Trump's plan would remove millions of households from taxes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I predict many regrets in the future.

Ohio man has Trump tattooed on his arm


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-man-has-trump-tattooed-on-his-arm/

c'mon, drumpf4lyfe

 

[fskimospy]

Nice excuse, the subprime crisis. That's actually strengthens the argument for Trump to raid the Fed and give the money to us - many people got screwed.

This is an illogical statement. Have you ever taken an economics course?

The American people don't give a shit about deficit debt because they voted for W again despite a huge deficit. Everyone loved Bush' tax cut stimulus. Obama and W getting re-elected proved that nobody cares. The world doesn't care (dollar strength wasn't affected), and the people don't care as evidence by their votes. Apologize? lol. Here's a tissue.

Whether or not they give a shit about it has nothing to do with your lies about economists endorsing his plan. Why did you feel the need to lie? Is it insecurity? Are you feeling like a beta today?

As I mentioned before apologizing when you've told a lie is a mature and strong thing to do. Let me help you act like an adult.

BTW, you like the poor don't you? Trump said if you make <=25K or <=50K jointly then they would owe zero taxes. That's 75 million households. I guess you really aren't for the poor. Trump's plan would remove millions of households from taxes.

I'm totally for the poor. Trump's tax plan would either require the elimination of basically the entire discretionary budget or would create trillion+ deficits every year going forward which would cause significant inflation eventually. This would all be done to give the absolute richest Americans a huge tax cut.

So yes, I'm a big fan of the poor, which is why I'm against Trump royally screwing them over.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I think Bernie's proposals are a disaster too. That's the primary reason I don't like him despite agreeing with him ideologically.

On the other hand you seem to be implicitly acknowledging that Trump's plans are incompetent train wrecks but still support him.

Trump's tax plan is bad as well. And I'm not really a Trump supporter per se, if it comes down to Hillary or Trump...I'm either voting Trump or third party.

 

[SP33Demon]

This is an illogical statement. Have you ever taken an economics course?



Whether or not they give a shit about it has nothing to do with your lies about economists endorsing his plan. Why did you feel the need to lie? Is it insecurity? Are you feeling like a beta today?

As I mentioned before apologizing when you've told a lie is a mature and strong thing to do. Let me help you act like an adult.


I'm totally for the poor. Trump's tax plan would either require the elimination of basically the entire discretionary budget or would create trillion+ deficits every year going forward which would cause significant inflation eventually. This would all be done to give the absolute richest Americans a huge tax cut.

So yes, I'm a big fan of the poor, which is why I'm against Trump royally screwing them over.

Inflation is good - right out of your mouth quote unquote. Plus it'll be nice for my house to appreciate.

Trump's plan would also make the poor exempt from taxes. Have you ever taken an economics class? That means zero money paid by the poor.

If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households &#8211; over 50% &#8211; from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, &#8220;I win,&#8221; those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.

Please go into detail how this would "screw them". I need a good laugh today.
Read this first, I dare you.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/yes-trump-tax-plan-should-help-the-poorest-americans/

 

[fskimospy]

Inflation is good - right out of your mouth quote unquote. Plus it'll be nice for my house to appreciate.

Modest, sustained inflation is good. The type of inflation we would likely see from yearly trillion+ deficits in perpetuity is unlikely to be modest. I've been extremely clear about this in the past, can you explain how you were unable to understand it?

Trump's plan would also make the poor exempt from taxes. Have you ever taken an economics class? That means zero money paid by the poor.

Please go into detail how this would "screw them". I need a good laugh today.

Poor people tend to be the largest recipients of domestic discretionary spending. If we eliminate it to pay for Trump's tax cuts for the rich, they will lose far more in services than they will gain from lower taxes. Simple math. Alternatively, we could just run gigantic deficits in perpetuity and see large scale inflation result. Modest inflation can be good for poor people as it lowers the real value of debt. Sustained, high inflation is likely to be quite bad for them as they are asset poor.

Trump's plan screws the poor to give the richest Americans tons of extra money. To realize this you don't even need to understand economics well, you just need a calculator and a brain. I assume you own a calculator.

None of this changes that you lied about economists endorsing his plan. When will you be owning up to this? Do you lie this much in other contexts?

 

[ivwshane]

Tax cuts for who? I thought 47% of Americans pay no taxes already. So an extra 5% of people now won't pay any taxes either? And he's going to cut taxes on the rich as well? Let me guess, the wealth will just start flowing from the top!

The rich who have already been taking the largest share of economic growth are simply waiting for their taxes to be cut before they start spending and investing? Because good ideas and smart investments can wait until the tax situation is ideal. It's like that old saying: the early bird who waits for low taxes gets the worm.

Trump supports = the biggest idiots in America

 

[trenchfoot]

Voting for Trump or Hillary is like pondering over which soiled toilet in a public restroom will have the most unlikely chance of transmitting some kind of disease, and then seriously thinking about driving 50 miles back home to avoid making that grim choice.

Oh well, nature calls, life is short, and it's merely a matter of how many layers of un-damaged ass gaskets (rationalizations) do I pull out of the dispenser to satisfy my sense of cleanliness and decency.

 

[SP33Demon]

Modest, sustained inflation is good. The type of inflation we would likely see from yearly trillion+ deficits in perpetuity is unlikely to be modest. I've been extremely clear about this in the past, can you explain how you were unable to understand it?

Poor people tend to be the largest recipients of domestic discretionary spending. If we eliminate it to pay for Trump's tax cuts for the rich, they will lose far more in services than they will gain from lower taxes. Simple math. Alternatively, we could just run gigantic deficits in perpetuity and see large scale inflation result. Modest inflation can be good for poor people as it lowers the real value of debt. Sustained, high inflation is likely to be quite bad for them as they are asset poor.

Trump's plan screws the poor to give the richest Americans tons of extra money. To realize this you don't even need to understand economics well, you just need a calculator and a brain. I assume you own a calculator.

None of this changes that you lied about economists endorsing his plan. When will you be owning up to this? Do you lie this much in other contexts?

Nobody is eliminating discretionary spending under Trump's plan. Where did you read this? All he has said he'd trim down certain gov agencies and tax loopholes. His base are the poor, do you think he's stupid?

The reason Trump's plan is so good for poorer Americans is because he plans to keep the EITC and Child Tax Credit, his campaign told CBS News. So the point at which people will start paying taxes increases - and they can still collect credits.

For example, a single parent with one child with one child would start paying taxes on income after they earn $17,250 dollars. Under Trump's plan, they would not begin to pay taxes until they had earned $25,000, so their credits would stretch even further.

Under Trump's plan, "most people could earn more money without owing taxes and not be made worse off than under current law since they would still get their refundable EITC and CTC," Maag told CBS News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/yes-trump-tax-plan-should-help-the-poorest-americans/

I agree that very high inflation would hurt them, however there's no proof that there would be rampant inflation by borrowing 10T. Obama is running an 8T deficit and we saw miniscule inflationary gains. Trump's plan would kickstart the economy like Bush's tax cuts temporarily did while hopefully doubling current 1.5% inflation back up to its healthy 3%~.

So you say you're for the poor, yet continue to bash Trump's tax plan which would immensely help them. Are you lying to us?

Regarding economists that like Trump's plan, many like certain aspects of it so no apologies necessary. Just to name a few:
1) CNBC's renowned nonpartisan economist Larry Kudlow likes the corporate tax cuts (but not tariffs) to kick start the economy as we've discussed at length before.

"Tremendous movement of capital and labor back to the US"

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...ous-movement-of-capital-and-labor-back-to-us/
2) Renowned liberal economist Paul Krugman praises Trump's plan. Isn't Krugman your favorite? lol

But Krugman wrote that Trump’s economic policies are more sound than those Bush and others have pushed, and he noted that Trump’s policies have resonated with Republican primary voters.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...877-krugman-trump-is-right-on-taxes-economics
3) Maury Randall - chairman of the finance and economics department at Rider University,

said he's "optimistic" about the tax cuts. Simplification of the tax system is a desirable thing," Randall said, "if you can make it fair and bring in more money with economic growth."

4) Rosanne Altshuler - chairwoman of the economics department at Rutgers University,

praised Trump for limiting "special tax breaks" and for doing away with carried interest.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...elp_or_hurt_the_us_and_who_would_benefit.html

 

[echo4747]

Basic economics tells you that you're wrong. Running up deficits to counteract the effects of a worldwide economic catastrophe is a good thing. Purposefully creating $1 trillion+ deficits in an economy running close to full employment is stupid.

You don't appear to realize just how incompetent Trump really is. It's not just that he has bad ideas, he doesn't even seem to be knowledgeable enough to understand the topic.



Summary: you need to take some basic economics classes and you're a liar. Apologize for your dishonesty.

an economy running close to full employment?? are you kidding?

 

[SP33Demon]

an economy running close to full employment?? are you kidding?

I bet he actually believes the 5.x% unemployment rate. Totally delusional on how the unemployment rate is calculated. The real rate is estimated to be in the 30-40 range. If you are counting 16 and up, it's actually 40%~.

If you use the broadest definition of unemployment, the ratio of people over the age of 16 with jobs to the overall 16-and-over population, the Labor Department says that 40.6% of the population is unemployed.

http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/donald-trump-unemployment-rate-jobs/

 

[hal2kilo]

Voting for Trump or Hillary is like pondering over which soiled toilet in a public restroom will have the most unlikely chance of transmitting some kind of disease, and then seriously thinking about driving 50 miles back home to avoid making that grim choice.

Oh well, nature calls, life is short, and it's merely a matter of how many layers of un-damaged ass gaskets (rationalizations) do I pull out of the dispenser to satisfy my sense of cleanliness and decency.

The non-nuke sailors call them nuke bibs.

 

[sandorski]

Trump will have to drastically change his tone. If he tries the same tactics as he has been using, Hillary will just ignore him, speak sensibly to the American people, and point out his childish behaviour. His popularity will sink like a rock.

I'm not sure he can do it without losing all the support he has gained up to this point.

 

[sandorski]

I bet he actually believes the 5.x% unemployment rate. Totally delusional on how the unemployment rate is calculated. The real rate is estimated to be in the 30-40 range. If you are counting 16 and up, it's actually 40%~.

http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/donald-trump-unemployment-rate-jobs/

There is no "Real Rate".

 

[ivwshane]

I bet he actually believes the 5.x% unemployment rate. Totally delusional on how the unemployment rate is calculated. The real rate is estimated to be in the 30-40 range. If you are counting 16 and up, it's actually 40%~.

http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/donald-trump-unemployment-rate-jobs/

Oh god, you've gone full retard!