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And ANOTHER school shooting

Fritzo

Fritzo

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...n-arizona-university-school-officials-n441561

A freshman at Northern Arizona University shot four students during a dispute outside a residence hall early Friday, killing one of them and injuring the others, authorities said.

The alleged gunman, 18-year-old Steven Jones, was taken into custody by the first police officer who arrived on the scene following the 1:20 a.m. shooting, campus police chief Greg Fowler said. Jones did not resist.

A campus alert system ordered students not to leave their residences, but that lockdown was lifted soon afterward.

Image: Scene Northern Arizona University
One person was killed and three were wounded in a shooting at Northern Arizona University early Friday.
The dead student was identified by Northern Arizona University as Colin Brough.

The three wounded men — Nicholas Prato, Kyle Zientek and Nicholas Piring — were being treated at Flagstaff Medical Center, the school said. Their conditions were not immediately clear.

The attack began as a confrontation between two groups of students that "turned physical" before Jones pulled a gun and opened fire, Fowler told reporters and students at news conference.

The shooting occurred in a parking lot near the Mountain View Hall dormitory, where most of the school's fraternity members live, school officials said.

Fowler said he did not know whether the gunman or the victims were members of fraternities. But the national executive director of the Delta Chi fraternity confirmed that members of his organization were among the victims.

The official, Justin Sherman, said that the shooting "had no ties" to the campus Delta Chi chapter.

It is illegal in Arizona to carry a gun on a university campus, but firearms are permitted to be stored in locked cars there, Fowler said.

RIta Cheng, the university's president, said classes would go on as scheduled on Friday. But "this is not going to be a normal day at NAU," Cheng said. "Our hearts are heavy."
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I just don't know what to do anymore. I'd like to think we don't need any form of gun control in the US, but the fact that compact, easily hidden, and easily accessible death machines are available to anyone that suddenly snaps and decides to take some lives makes me think we need to ban handguns.

I keep hearing "then only criminals will have guns!", but the people doing these mass shootings are usually not criminals---they're nuts! One week they're perfectly sane, the next they get a F on a test or their girlfriend breaks up with them, and the next thing you know a room full of people are laying dead after 5 seconds of pressing a trigger.

I don't know...the cat might have already be let out of the bag, but I just do not see the need for citizens to have access to handguns. There are 32 handgun homicides for every legitimate shooting, so they're obviously not being used for protection.
 
Something probably needs to be done. I'm for attacking the mental health end of the problem though. Let's spend some real money on it. Make regular psychological evaluations mandatory for all high school and college students for instance, or at least something that shows we really take this seriously. Gun control is already a drastic proposition, so we can't say that's going too far.
 
SlitheryDee said:
Something probably needs to be done. I'm for attacking the mental health end of the problem though. Let's spend some real money on it. Make regular psychological evaluations mandatory for all high school and college students for instance, or at least something that shows we really take this seriously. Gun control is already a drastic proposition, so we can't say that's going too far.
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It's almost a part of our culture now, you know? It seems with the Internet always showing us extreme things, people feel they have to do something extreme to be noticed.
 
Not a mass/school shooting like what just happened in Oregon (and the others). Horrible nonetheless, though.
 
nakedfrog said:
That's right! We're taking back the stand-off! How do you like that, Mexico?!?
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Yes, no more will foreigners be taking good standoffs from hard working Americans. It's time we take back our Freedom Standoffs and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
 
Sonikku said:
This. If anything we should have mandatory guns for all. The solution to gun problems is having more guns. :awe:
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Do kids still register for selective service? If so, that's the perfect opportunity to give everyone a gun.
 
maddogchen said:
doesn't sound like this person snapped. More like a street fight turned deadly when someone brought a gun.
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That happens a lot more frequently than the classic school shooting. Probably a drug deal gone bad. Hell, that kind of stuff happens every so often here in Canada and we have very strict gun laws. If someone wants to hurt someone that badly, they find a way.

As an outsider, I've long found the whole gun debate in the States to be a smokescreen for larger issues. Neither side wants to confront the single biggest question: what makes people resort to violence in the first place.

Countries like Switzerland have lax gun laws but relatively low violent crime. Where as places like Chicago with strict gun laws have high rates of violent crime. Logically, the problem in the US must be cultural and/or social. Money would be far better spent on urban renewal, education, and encouraging economic development. Good, stable jobs that pay a living wage.

As for the crazies, that's a different situation. Most recent shootings involved individuals that showed no outward proclivity towards violence. They just snapped one day. The scary thing is those individuals would qualify for a gun license even in strict jurisdictions. You could do mandatory psyche tests, but then you'd run the risk of civil rights challenges. Part of the problem is a lack mental health awareness, and a lack of funding for mental health care. People don't seek help, help may not be available or affordable, or those around them pass off warning signs as eccentricities.
 
This isn't what I would consider a school shooting, not in a classroom on campus, this is some idiot who pulled a gun on someone at 1am. Also, he didn't legally obtain that gun, he was 18, you can't buy a handgun until you are 21.
 
Lonyo said:
Are schools protected by the constitution? If not, I am 100% with you. Ban schools.
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Technically, guns aren't protected under the constitution either. The right to form militias are, and last I checked nobody has signed up for militia duty. People tend to skip past the first part of "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state," and go right to the "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" part.
 
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