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[alzan]

Ehh, I like IPAs, but I mostly love stouts!
And Founders is only a few hours away, Three Floyds is only a few hours away, Goose Island is close, Pipeworks is close, and all make epic wold shatteringly good stouts

Schlafly makes a great Oatmeal Stout, Coffee Stout, and their special release Irish Extra Stout :thumbsup:

For something a little different their aged Imperial Stout is good as well.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I'd love to get in a time machine and spend a few days in these ancient places, but that's about it. I'd hate to live back then.

These illustrations also make it look so clean and tidy. The reality is most people struggled day to day just to eat, let alone the diseases they couldn't cure.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Schlafly makes a great Oatmeal Stout, Coffee Stout, and their special release Irish Extra Stout :thumbsup:

For something a little different their aged Imperial Stout is good as well.

I have heard lots of good things about them lately, I will look around to see what I can find near me

Thanks for the recomndation

 

[Apathetic]

For 99.9% of the people back then, life was miserable. I'll pass.

I must agree.

Dave

 

[waggy]

i love off topic.

a thread on history is mostly about beer!

 

[norseamd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen

 

[norseamd]

urban areas might not have been that bad

also saying living back then was horrible is like saying living right now is great

there are billions of different people living in billions of different living conditions

so being a craftsman in ancient sumeria might not have been the same as living as a serf in medieval england

 

[zinfamous]

Ehh, I like IPAs, but I mostly love stouts!
And Founders is only a few hours away, Three Floyds is only a few hours away, Goose Island is close, Pipeworks is close, and all make epic wold shatteringly good stouts

I generally do like IPAs--my only issue is that 98% of the craft beer market in the US seems to be IPA focused. They are the easiest, least creative style there is (Easy = most forgiving), so it kinda makes sense that New breweries would focus on that.

But, I see it more of a "hot sauce fad." Let's tap into that extreme market--who can take so much heat, or who can appreciate the bitterest beer out there? You see it in the naming conventions.

I worry that the advertisers are trying to push this nonsensical notion that "IBU = quality." Duping the uninformed consumer that simply wants to be "in with the movement," in the same way that the digital advertisers have been duping the uninformed consumer into believing that Mega Pixel count = quality. Spending money on marketing shenanigans to push the notion that cheaper R&D processes will lead to better quality (The MP and IBU lie), rather than spending that money on improving manufacturing for the factors that actually do matter (physical chip size / quality malt characteristics)

...something like that.


Seriously, so many of these IPAs now, I can taste the extracts that have been used to make the shitty malt. It's like being sensitive to aspartame or nutrisweet, you just know it when it's there.

 

[zinfamous]

so have nay of you tried any herbs with beer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruit

local Berkeley brewery, Bison, makes a honey basil ale. It's...OK. Not what I would call a session beer, though.

These are probably more akin to the earliest beer styles, though.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Pass.

Way too simplistic living for me.

I would want electronics and 24 hour services (7-11 has some great sammiches to snack on after a night of drinking!).

Also, being killed and eaten by wild animals isn't something I am not too fond of. Oh, and hairy, stinky unwashed women. Don't like them either. I prefer my gals washed at the very least.

 

[norseamd]

I generally do like IPAs--my only issue is that 98% of the craft beer market in the US seems to be IPA focused. They are the easiest, least creative style there is (Easy = most forgiving), so it kinda makes sense that New breweries would focus on that.

But, I see it more of a "hot sauce fad." Let's tap into that extreme market--who can take so much heat, or who can appreciate the bitterest beer out there? You see it in the naming conventions.

I worry that the advertisers are trying to push this nonsensical notion that "IBU = quality." Duping the uninformed consumer that simply wants to be "in with the movement," in the same way that the digital advertisers have been duping the uninformed consumer into believing that Mega Pixel count = quality. Spending money on marketing shenanigans to push the notion that cheaper R&D processes will lead to better quality (The MP and IBU lie), rather than spending that money on improving manufacturing for the factors that actually do matter (physical chip size / quality malt characteristics)

...something like that.


Seriously, so many of these IPAs now, I can taste the extracts that have been used to make the shitty malt. It's like being sensitive to aspartame or nutrisweet, you just know it when it's there.

agree with you

hops do not get rid of cheap shitty ingrediants

for me when ale has hops it needs more hops

so more hops are good

what about mugwort

 

[norseamd]

local Berkeley brewery, Bison, makes a honey basil ale. It's...OK. Not what I would call a session beer, though. These are probably more akin to the earliest beer styles, though.

what about mugwort

and meaning like more active ingrediants like hops are considered

 

[BurnItDwn]

Man, I get what you're saying, just the market here isn't like that ...

I went to Binnys and spent too much $$$ on beer. I didn't buy any IPas. I essentially bought only bombers or 4 packs. I bought a small number of belgians (3 fontinen, st bernardus), a small number of american Belgian styles (Goose Island Matilda & Lolita, some Gueze by the Bruery), and then the rest, pretty much all craft stouts and porters. Pipeworks, Brewdog, Ale Syndicate, Southern Tier, Rogue, Lagunitas, Founders, etc ...)

It seems like Pipeworks comes out with a new stout every week, and somehow, all of them are good or great.

Yes, extreme IPAs are trendy right now, but, I'm living in a stout-utopia "stoutopia"

Ohh, also grabed a 6 pack of Midas Touch Relevent to the OP

I generally do like IPAs--my only issue is that 98% of the craft beer market in the US seems to be IPA focused. They are the easiest, least creative style there is (Easy = most forgiving), so it kinda makes sense that New breweries would focus on that.

But, I see it more of a "hot sauce fad." Let's tap into that extreme market--who can take so much heat, or who can appreciate the bitterest beer out there? You see it in the naming conventions.

I worry that the advertisers are trying to push this nonsensical notion that "IBU = quality." Duping the uninformed consumer that simply wants to be "in with the movement," in the same way that the digital advertisers have been duping the uninformed consumer into believing that Mega Pixel count = quality. Spending money on marketing shenanigans to push the notion that cheaper R&D processes will lead to better quality (The MP and IBU lie), rather than spending that money on improving manufacturing for the factors that actually do matter (physical chip size / quality malt characteristics)

...something like that.


Seriously, so many of these IPAs now, I can taste the extracts that have been used to make the shitty malt. It's like being sensitive to aspartame or nutrisweet, you just know it when it's there.

 

[Sonikku]

To put things into perspective, your average bum today probably leads a better life than the richest kings of Europe did just 1000 years ago.

The richest kings could have been surrounded by concubines. Your average bum not so much.

 

[norseamd]

Man, I get what you're saying, just the market here isn't like that ...

yah i was also thinking of homebrewing

do you know any good resources for what herbs are good or not or with what

 

[norseamd]

Yes, extreme IPAs are trendy right now, but, I'm living in a stout-utopia "stoutopia"

do you like winter ales

 

[zinfamous]

do you like winter ales

used to be my favorite time of year, but, and maybe it is just in this part of the country, I am seeing less and less of them.

Or, rather than being some type of malty ale or porter, they are now, well "winter IPAs"

I shit you not.

CA truly has a hard-on for that shit; I think it goes back to Sierra Nevada--which I would pretty much consider a macrobrew at this point, but every style they make has always had a strong hop character. I like most of their stuff, though. But the bigger brewers you see here--Lagunitas, Mendocino, et al. are all making variations of IPA, no matter what they call them.

Even though I am west coast, I don't see much Rogue stuff beyond Dead Guy, and that is truly depressing. Years ago, well before the ABV restrictions were released in most states, thus prompting the craft brew explosion, I was still able to get ~dozen types of Rogue styles in a place like Raleigh, NC. Here in Norcal, you are basically limited by what I can only assume are statutes that restrict competition from out-of-state brewers.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

and now I see how you have over 2.5K posts in 4 months....

 

[BurnItDwn]

do you like winter ales

Yes, I enjoy winter ales.

Honestly, I enjoy all ales.


I favor big stouts and big belgians. Give me any Belgian style Quad or any Imperal stout or hearty coffee or chocolate or oatmeal stout, and I am a happy man. I'm content with just about any ale provided it's not a scotch ale....

 

[BurnItDwn]

used to be my favorite time of year, but, and maybe it is just in this part of the country, I am seeing less and less of them.

Or, rather than being some type of malty ale or porter, they are now, well "winter IPAs"

I shit you not.

CA truly has a hard-on for that shit; I think it goes back to Sierra Nevada--which I would pretty much consider a macrobrew at this point, but every style they make has always had a strong hop character. I like most of their stuff, though. But the bigger brewers you see here--Lagunitas, Mendocino, et al. are all making variations of IPA, no matter what they call them.

Even though I am west coast, I don't see much Rogue stuff beyond Dead Guy, and that is truly depressing. Years ago, well before the ABV restrictions were released in most states, thus prompting the craft brew explosion, I was still able to get ~dozen types of Rogue styles in a place like Raleigh, NC. Here in Norcal, you are basically limited by what I can only assume are statutes that restrict competition from out-of-state brewers.

Damn man, I am sorry for your situation. How close are you to the borders to the next states where beer buying options are more diverse?

Shit, There's at least a dozen Rogues available here, but, they are not nearly as popular as they were like 10 years ago.

 

[zinfamous]

Damn man, I am sorry for your situation. How close are you to the borders to the next states where beer buying options are more diverse?

Shit, There's at least a dozen Rogues available here, but, they are not nearly as popular as they were like 10 years ago.

it could be that the rogue issue is more that there are so many more options now, so they aren't receiving as many orders as they used to.

It's ~4 hours to Oregon, and ~4-5 hours to....Nevada wasteland? pffft

 

[BurnItDwn]

Only 4 hours to Oregon, do you have beer snob friends in the area? maybe road trip overnighter to Oregon? Travel together, share the cost of fuel, go binge at some bars ... then stop at liquor store, pick up like $500 worth of beer ... and then you're set for a while?