Anandtech XB1 PS4 CPU/Video/Memory Performance Evaluation

[Ferzerp]

Calling out on the PS4? Half of the PS4 was simply above what my PC uses in idle for sure.

Yes, instead of calling out both of them.

They're both abysmal idle power draw, the ps4 just is the greater offender by about 20W.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yes, instead of calling out both of them.

They're both abysmal idle power draw, the ps4 just is the greater offender by about 20W.

I started by saying "their ", meaning both consoles. So no, I didnt just call out one of them.

As I see it, this console launch is simply a complete disaster. It seems to have been a race on who could make the most discount console. And I can only wonder if they will walk the same path as the Wii U. And they are supposed to last for at least 10 years. Oh the laugh.

In terms of power consumption, I would guess none of the consoles actually downclocks.

 

[Erenhardt]

I started by saying "their ", meaning both consoles. So no, I didnt just call out one of them.

As I see it, this console launch is simply a complete disaster. And I can only wonder if they will walk the same path as the Wii U.

In terms of power consumption, I would guess none of the consoles actually downclocks.

Did you use any of the new consoles?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Did you use any of the new consoles?

If you mean tried? Then yes.

 

[AnandThenMan]

As I see it, this console launch is simply a complete disaster.

Which to me means it was a resounding success.

 

[avtek21]

The PS4 is using blurry fxaa. If that impresses you, then your bar is set pretty low for IQ.

Right-hand PS4 NBA 2K14 screenshot capture of LJ and ball shows really great IQ of everything from realistic tattoos to elastic brace knitting to signature on lifelike basketball!

Also PS4 YouTube NBA 2K14 games look awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJlptY6G4SQ

 

[Ferzerp]

This thread really belongs on a console board. It isn't about the CPUs at all.

 

[BSim500]

The single fact that neither the PS4 or Xbox One can run a growing number of titles in 1080p. Not to mention the medium settings or below mixed with for example 720p. Plus the dynamic downscaling even further when the game gets more demanding. Thats seriously a dissapointment. Specially when both consoles have been announced from both companies to last atleast 10 years.

And to the OP, BF4 runs at medium settings at best on consoles. And lower res.

Good Lord, that XB1 shot is horrific for "next gen". D: I've seen PC's with 7790 cards do better than that on modded 2007 era games. Lower quality setting + AA usually looks better than no AA at all on any quality setting. "Jaggies" went out of fashion in the late 90's...

 

[SammichPG]

XBone strikes me as a better living room box than the PS4, which strikes me as more gaming focused (due to specs).

Should be interesting to watch this play out while sitting on my throne on top of PC Master Race Mountain.

Outside the US the xbox one is considerably less attractive.
Microsoft needed years to strike deals with local pay tv providers and the biggest one in my country was left out, xbox is more US focused while the ps4 is the better gaming machine.

 

[PliotronX]

Wrong. Xbone is for living room. So many times, back when I had PSX, I had to skip my games, because my parents wanted to watch News or something. To do this I had to puse/save and unplug the console from TV, put "cable" cable back in... way too much hassle.

With Xbox, you don't even need your remote to change from game to TV in seconds.

That is not the mission of the Xbone at all, watch some videos of the Xbox One in action. It does a great job of going between games, TV, encoding/uploading game clips etc. the multitasking is fast and seamless. Very impressive considering the Jaguar cores are supposedly "weak" and the CPU in general is supposed to be "slow".

Well I guess I dont have ADD and have my own living room.. That's all fine and dandy but I game to game, its just personal preference.

Smoke what? US energy consumption peaked more than 5 years ago. We've gone from a historical rising trend of 1% to a decline. Our energy consumption is now more than 10% below the 50+ year historical trendline that was broken in 2008. There is no energy source rising up to replace what is going away. Natural gas consumption is at 50 year lows. (see Figure 2.2 of The EIA Nove 2013 Short Term Energy Outlook. ) I think we should be very concerned about the idle power of these consoles.

I get it, apacolypse coming and all that, I'm just saying its the equivalent of an extra halogen lightbulb in the scheme of things.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I'm just saying its the equivalent of an extra halogen lightbulb in the scheme of things.

One here, one there, another there. Like the poverb, many small streams makes one big river.

 

[SlickR12345]

I love the GDDR5 in the PS4, I think it was a really smart idea and would love to have the same kind of option for PC.

I think ultimately 8GB might actually be low for the PC, especially if you are using demanding programs or doing several things at once, most new games can reach 3GB video ram, but still a unified architecture like that is amazing.

As far as graphic cards go the PC is the king, I mean already the current gen consoles are outdated and while there will be tons of optimizations for them so they will get a lot more out of it, compared to a similar PC setup its likely that the consoles are going to run anywhere from 20% to 30% faster, but a high end GTX780 or R290 is just way too good.

A 4 core PC should also be enough for now, since most apps don't even use that many cores.

 

[Obsoleet]

There's no way around it: the power usage is up this round because they put pretty powerful stuff compared to yesteryear's consoles. No need for everyone to dance around that.

Only the PC crowd call them underpowered. This is the best generation yet.. and the TDP proves it. With Kinect2 included in every XB1 and PS4 having the most powerful specs in a console yet, this is the most exciting launch of any console gen so far. I can't wait to see what happens.

All you'd have to do is spend $125 on a 2GB 7850 and your PC would already be as good if not better. But you're moving to an APU, so obviously your idea of good enough is far below what the typical PC gamer feels is required to say the same.

I don't buy that story. And I can't match the PS4 in gaming with a $400 gaming rig.
I'm a big fan of APUs, and can't wait to have a DDR4 AMD APU (probably post Kaveri). I have more than just a PC though. I'm looking to pickup either the Xbox One or PS4. Both are pretty good.

If you can load Linux on a PS4, that will be my next desktop. I'm running 8GB of RAM now, and 8GB of unified GDDR5 sounds good to me.

The PS4 is using blurry fxaa. If that impresses you, then your bar is set pretty low for IQ.

Show me the complete $400 PC, part by part, that matches the PS4 for gaming.

 

[Homeles]

There's no way around it: the power usage is up this round because they put pretty powerful stuff compared to yesteryear's consoles. No need for everyone to dance around that.

That is an incredibly biased view to hold. I know you're excited for these consoles, but please don't let that excitement blind you from the fact that these draw far, far too much at idle for the hardware that's in it.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Show me the complete $400 PC, part by part, that matches the PS4 for gaming.

You can build an 8 core AMD system with a 7850 for about $600, mATX form factor. No OS for that price though, no keyboard or mouse, no wireless either. And of course the form factor is no where near the PS4, it's a relatively clunky box. The processor is faster yes, so there's that.

The PS4 is a really elegant piece of hardware, no doubt about it. The Xbone is not bad either, really nice cooling setup on the Xbone.

On the idle power draw, would not be surprised if that was addressed in a future update by Sony/MS.

 

[Shivansps]

The Kraken and Sunspider results are plain awfull, i know its not optimised for that, but man, even the Z3740 is a lot better than that.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Meaningless benches, who cares. What matters is how it performs in games and media tasks, and in those these consoles are :thumbsup:

 

[Obsoleet]

You can build an 8 core AMD system with a 7850 for about $600, mATX form factor. No OS for that price though, no keyboard or mouse, no wireless either. And of course the form factor is no where near the PS4, it's a relatively clunky box. The processor is faster yes, so there's that.

The PS4 is a really elegant piece of hardware, no doubt about it. The Xbone is not bad either, really nice cooling setup on the Xbone.

On the idle power draw, would not be surprised if that was addressed in a future update by Sony/MS.

Not too far off the price of the XB1. I'm not an XB or PS fan. I didn't own last gen. But I'm leaning towards the XB1 due to the inclusion of Kinect with every system.
If executed well it could be an iPhone level game changer. There's some cool uses even with games that primarily use the gamepad. Including that was a must for MS, IMO.

The PS4 I like more as a hardware setup of course, but I think the XB1's exclusives are a little better, along with a better online platform and better software overall (it's MS afterall).
And I am a PC gamer, going for just better graphics doesn't make sense.. and that's the PS4's top feature. I can build a new PC for that. So for me, the PS4 competes more with the PC than the XB1.

I'm actually taking a really hard look at the XB1/Kinect2 package and Wii U. PS4 I like the most hardware wise. I can't say I'm disappointed with the console choices new this year.

 

[sniffin]

There's no way around it: the power usage is up this round because they put pretty powerful stuff compared to yesteryear's consoles. No need for everyone to dance around that.

Only if you compare them to the PS3/360 after they were shrunk 3 times each. A 45nm Cell/40nm RSX pulls around 72W under load which is pretty nice compared to the PS4, however 90nm Cell/RSX pulled in the area of 200W, possibly more.

In 2006, the PS3 was much more powerful in relation to PCs than the PS4 is in 2013 in relation to PCs. Sony dabbled with folding@home to try and drive home the point that the PS3 was based off tech that was originally purposed for supercomputing. The 360 on the other hand had a GPU that had tech that was ahead of what was available at the time in 2005 PC GPUs.

 

[Enigmoid]

Meaningless benches, who cares. What matters is how it performs in games and media tasks, and in those these consoles are :thumbsup:

Because browser performance isn't important in a media box?

 

[Erenhardt]

Because browser performance isn't important in a media box?

It is worst than comparing GPU performance by furmark score. Go back to your cave, troll!

 

[blackened23]

abysmal idle power draw, the ps4 just is the greater offender by about 20W.

I'll go ahead and file this under "sperglord crap that has no bearing on my console purchase decision".

I'm sure the 2 cents I save per 3 months on power would be awesome for my wallet! AND GREAT for the environment, though! I think i'll just sperg over 20 vs 10 watts on the PS4 because that cost me another cent that I could have saved. *COUGH* Nobody cares about this crap. This garbage. The PS4 had the best launch sales of any console in history, 1 million in 24 hours while the prior record was the Wii with 600k. I think it's safe to say that nobody gives a flying f...lip.

Now my plasma bigscreen with its 2500W power consumption. It's an environmentalist's dream. It'll chug power and i'll happily pay the power bill. And of course I'll happily game on it from the couch!

 

[Arkadrel]

Just to add the PS4 is definitely that much better, as far as visuals are concerned, than the Xbox at this point in time ~
<snip> pic1 <snip>

<snip> pic2 <snip>

The top one is from PS4 while the one below is Xbox

You got Them mixed up lmao

Which would just confuse people, you had the Xbox one that looks like crap at top, where you said it was the ps4, and vice versa.

But yes the xbox version does look crappy, you cannot even read the warning sign on the side of the building in the xbox version, while its clear on the ps4 one.

 

[Erenhardt]

I'll go ahead and file this under "sperglord crap that has no bearing on my console purchase decision".

I'm sure the 2 cents I save per 3 months on power would be awesome for my wallet! AND GREAT for the environment, though! I think i'll just sperg over 20 vs 10 watts on the PS4 because that cost me another cent that I could have saved. *COUGH* Nobody cares about this crap. This garbage. The PS4 had the best launch sales of any console in history, 1 million in 24 hours while the prior record was the Wii with 600k. I think it's safe to say that nobody gives a flying f...lip.

Now my plasma bigscreen with its 2500W power consumption. It's an environmentalist's dream. It'll chug power and i'll happily pay the power bill. And of course I'll happily game on it from the couch!

Preety much... And I bet he complains about some 20Watts, but drives 3L V6 SUV daily (USA right?).
Of course it could be better. But it doesn't make a difference for average Joe I guess. So long as the system is quiet, no one will care much.