Anandtech on NVIDIA and DX9 :-)

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I like nVidia's design for the NV38. I'd buy it if it performed well.

As far as anyone knows, R360 and NV38 are simply higher-clocked, and in the case of NV38 perhaps MUCH higher-clocked, versions of R350 and NV35, respectively. Meaning, NV38 will behave just as poorly when it comes to PS2.0.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I like nVidia's design for the NV38. I'd buy it if it performed well.

As far as anyone knows, R360 and NV38 are simply higher-clocked, and in the case of NV38 perhaps MUCH higher-clocked, versions of R350 and NV35, respectively. Meaning, NV38 will behave just as poorly when it comes to PS2.0.

Not if it's much more highly clocked. Say they double clock speeds... Then it could keep up, right? Or is the supposed limitation more in the card's bus than in it's actual gpu power?

 

[Nebor]

Well, it looks like NV40 should hit around christmas, and NV38 will only give us the performance of an overclocked 5900... I'm just gonna go ahead and bite the bullet and buy a 5900 this weekend, then upgrade to nv40 at christmas. Gah, I just said $700 worth.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Well, it looks like NV40 should hit around christmas, and NV38 will only give us the performance of an overclocked 5900... I'm just gonna go ahead and bite the bullet and buy a 5900 this weekend, then upgrade to nv40 at christmas. Gah, I just said $700 worth.

Where do you see anything about the NV40@Christmas? I am almost certain we won't see either NV40 or RV4XX until late Q1 2004.

 

[Ronin]

Last I recall, the estimated speeds for the NV38 were 600 core, 1.5GHz Mem (DDR II). I'd say that was a pretty hefty 'overclock'

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: RoninCS
Last I recall, the estimated speeds for the NV38 were 600 core, 1.5GHz Mem (DDR II). I'd say that was a pretty hefty 'overclock'

Hrmmm... So I should hold out w/ my gf4 until november\october nv38 release?

 

[jm0ris0n]

Hrmmm... So I should hold out w/ my gf4 until november\october nv38 release?

I'm thinking the same thing...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: RoninCS
Last I recall, the estimated speeds for the NV38 were 600 core, 1.5GHz Mem (DDR II). I'd say that was a pretty hefty 'overclock'

Hrmmm... So I should hold out w/ my gf4 until november\october nv38 release?

if your biggest thing is playing HL2 and DOOM3 then buying a card before getting actual benches would be... not bright, to say the least.

if you get benches and then buy a clearly lesser performing card... well... pt barnum had something to say about that.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: RoninCS
Last I recall, the estimated speeds for the NV38 were 600 core, 1.5GHz Mem (DDR II). I'd say that was a pretty hefty 'overclock'

Hrmmm... So I should hold out w/ my gf4 until november\october nv38 release?

if your biggest thing is playing HL2 and DOOM3 then buying a card before getting actual benches would be... not bright, to say the least.

if you get benches and then buy a clearly lesser performing card... well... pt barnum had something to say about that.

Well, I won't be able to do any benches until I get both the games and the card. What, you expect me to take the word of some people I've never met?

 

[LukFilm]

Interesting article, but DAMN!!! Can Anand get an editor who can write and SPELL properly? Many times I had to re-read a sentence to understand it and overall, from a gramatical point of view, that was a terrible article. I've never seen an article written so badly on AnandTech. Hopefull this was the last article for the author :disgust:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: LukFilm
Interesting article, but DAMN!!! Can Anand get an editor who can write and SPELL properly? Many times I had to re-read a sentence to understand it and overall, from a gramatical point of view, that was a terrible article. I've never seen an article written so badly on AnandTech. Hopefull this was the last article for the author :disgust:

i've complained about it before... when i mentioned they needed an editor they thought i mean another op-ed guy.

heat sink is two words people.

 

[AndrewKu]

I apoligize for the grammatical errors. We will try to be more careful in the future, and I am sorry to say announce that this is not my last article.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: LukFilm
Interesting article, but DAMN!!! Can Anand get an editor who can write and SPELL properly? Many times I had to re-read a sentence to understand it and overall, from a gramatical point of view, that was a terrible article. I've never seen an article written so badly on AnandTech. Hopefull this was the last article for the author :disgust:

i've complained about it before... when i mentioned they needed an editor they thought i mean another op-ed guy.

heat sink is two words people.

Most manufacturers spell it heatsink and not heat sink.

 

[vetteguy]

Man...are people EVER going to let this issue go away? I am getting a tumor from all of the ATI vs. nVidia Half Life 2 threads. I know what the preliminary benchmarks have said. I know what the developer has said. But here's the bottom line: A game company is not going to alienate half of their potential customer base just because of a grudge they have against nVidia. Not everyone is willing to upgrade their video cards just to play ONE game. Which means they will either have to make their game play well on nVidia cards or be prepared for a lackluster sales quarter. I have a feeling that their sales and marketing department isn't willing to forego all those profits just so they can be "cool" in the eyes of their fellow ATI fans.

Bottom line: I have a 5900. If it runs HL2, awesome. If it doesn't, I won't buy it. Maybe I will in another year when I get a different card, but by then it will be $20 anyway, so either way I'm in good shape.

Until then, is there a way to filter these forums so I don't see any threads that have "ATI", "nVidia", or "Half Life 2" in the text???

 

[NFS4]

Bottom line: I have a 5900.

Say no more. We know why you're bitter

 

[Regs]

So if the RV360 is just another tweaked out version of the 9700 core... it won't play HL2 that much better will it? Well, the 9800 pro has 7 more FPS in some benchs then the 9700 pro. So hm. Not really worth it.

 

[Regs]

vetteguy, I can agree with what you say however...

HL2 is just one game, but it's the first real game using DX9. It's like how every hardware site uses UT2003k and Serious Sam for benchmarking. I didn't buy a 300 dollar video card just to play UT2003k that's for hell sure.

And Valve will not alienate his consumer base. However Nvidia's consumer base will have to suffer with somewhat lesser IQ for higher framerates. The issue of IQ is in debate right now if there is actually much of a difference between the 8.1 path and the full 9.0 path.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Bottom line: I have a 5900.

Say no more. We know why you're bitter

LoL

What really cracks me up about these threads is half the people getting all hot and bothered don't have the CPU to max out the card.... After all, a Duron 700 is gonna be the bottleneck, NOT your GF4. LoL

My upgrade plan is for a Barton 2500 (replacing my XP 2000) in the next month. My GF3 will be fine until the holidays. Then I'll prolly get a 9700 (it's all about bang for the buck baby!)

So, I'm nowhere near the bleeding edge. But I still manage to have a good time.

 

[vetteguy]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Bottom line: I have a 5900.

Say no more. We know why you're bitter

You'll like it even more when I say that the 5900 replaced my 9700 Pro.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
You'll like it even more when I say that the 5900 replaced my 9700 Pro.

And you'll like it when I say a 9500 Pro replaced my 5900.

 

[vetteguy]

Originally posted by: bernse

Originally posted by: vetteguy
You'll like it even more when I say that the 5900 replaced my 9700 Pro.

And you'll like it when I say a 9500 Pro replaced my 5900.

To each his own. For me, I will sacrifice some performance (although I've yet to see anything that truly convinces me of the performance hit) for a card that actually works.

 

[dszd0g]

Originally posted by: Andrew Ku
I apoligize for the grammatical errors. We will try to be more careful in the future, and I am sorry to say announce that this is not my last article.

What do you mean by "say announce?" One spells "apoligize" as apologize. I don't mean to pick on you, but bad spelling and grammar in an apology for bad grammar does not inspire confidence. Posts are one thing, but you may wish to have one or more persons proofread your future articles. With a good editor, your spelling and grammar will quickly improve.

 

[LukFilm]

Agreed. I thought a highly-respected website like this did proofreading (see Anand's articles, hardly EVER a mistake), but this article proved me wrong.

 

[OddTSi]

Originally posted by: dszd0g
What do you mean by "say announce?" One spells "apoligize" as apologize. I don't mean to pick on you, but bad spelling and grammar in an apology for bad grammar does not inspire confidence. Posts are one thing, but you may wish to have one or more persons proofread your future articles. With a good editor, your spelling and grammar will quickly improve.

Originally posted by: LukFilm
Agreed. I thought a highly-respected website like this did proofreading (see Anand's articles, hardly EVER a mistake), but this article proved me wrong.

Give it a rest guys. I'm sure the article was rushed and he didn't have enough time to catch every single grammatical error. As for his post, it's a post in a forum, who says it has to have perfect grammar and sentence structure? Get off your high horse and find something else to complain about, like nVidia's DX9 performance. Which afterall IS the topic of this thread.

 

[AndrewKu]

Actually, I thought you guys would find the irony in that forum post.