Nebor, these tests have been ran time and time again. it isnt the first test that shows poor DX9/PS2 performance on behalf of nvidia. you might have a point in Ati ran the benchies themselves, but MANY idependent review sites have confirmed this poor performance. and believe me, thinking EVER site that shows poor performance from the 5900 is ATi biased is just plain ignorant
Nebor, these tests have been ran time and time again. it isnt the first test that shows poor DX9/PS2 performance on behalf of nvidia. you might have a point in Ati ran the benchies themselves, but MANY idependent review sites have confirmed this poor performance. and believe me, thinking EVER site that shows poor performance from the 5900 is ATi biased is just plain ignorant
Looks to me like Nvidia is admitting that the optimal code path for the R3xx is the default DX9 code path? Or is code path and API different? What exactly does "code path" signify? Specific instructions accessing portions of hardware not addressed by DX9? If so, will ATI need a "code path at all???
Nebor
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THey had all the time in the world to optimize the drivers, and the drivers were made available to Valve for testing.... But Valve, wanting to make ATI look great, demands that the 50.. dets not be used.... Seems pretty clear to me.
Valve and ATI attempt to gang up on NVIDIA.... but once HL2 is released, and NVIDIA can tear it apart and make drivers to run it well, Valve will no longer be able to screw nvidia over.
Valve and ATI attempt to gang up on NVIDIA.... but once HL2 is released, and NVIDIA can tear it apart and make drivers to run it well, Valve will no longer be able to screw nvidia over.
ok... you keep blaming Valve and ATI for ganging up. Do you really think that Nvidia has not bullied any game developer into crippling their games on ATi hardware? EA comes to mind... hmmm... ?
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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I'll say it again. Neither HL2 nor these fabled Det.50 are out. Why not wait until we see the final results before cheerleading your favorite team... err company.
Not quite. AFAIK, HL2 will still be available for retail separately from the Radeon cards, so trumping up one vendor over everybody else is pretty stupid.
I'll say it again. Neither HL2 nor these fabled Det.50 are out. Why not wait until we see the final results before cheerleading your favorite team... err company.
from what i understand, this is a hardware problem so if det50 produces more frames, it is gonna sacrafice IQ....again
Just because the nvidia chip runs at 400mhz doesnt mean it'll perform faster
Its not JUST about drivers, even if nvidia optimized (or should that be swap the FP32 routines with FP16 one's in drivers , internally), its the fact that the actual GPU itself is priced to similar levels of a ATI 9800 Pro yet its real FP32 processing power under REAL pressure....isnt so good.
Im starting to think that you work for nvidia, or have shares in the company, or are you really that deluded
Nebor
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Originally posted by: txxxx
Just because the nvidia chip runs at 400mhz doesnt mean it'll perform faster
Its not JUST about drivers, even if nvidia optimized (or should that be swap the FP32 routines with FP16 one's in drivers , internally), its the fact that the actual GPU itself is priced to similar levels of a ATI 9800 Pro yet its real FP32 processing power....isnt so good.
Im starting to think that you work for nvidia, or have shares in the company, or are you really that deluded
Just a diehard fan, thanks. Besides, I like playing things the way they're meant to be played.... (TM)
Aside from the videocard debate I'd like to bring up an issue related to HL2:
He must've really worked hard on this game - look how big he has gotten! I have an old issue of Computer Games MAgainze (formerly Computer Games Strategy Plus ) and it shows a picture of him [I read my old issues a lot and I remember this distinictly...i think itw as the issue from "the Mod-Squad" talking about game mods) and he is nowhere near as bloated as now! Its quite amazing actually - I guess he must've sat down and just typed code for extended periods of time without going outside or something!
hehe makes me excited to see how far HL2 can go in my mx420
He must've really worked hard on this game - look how big he has gotten! I have an old issue of Computer Games MAgainze (formerly Computer Games Strategy Plus
) and it shows a picture of him [I read my old issues a lot and I remember this distinictly...i think itw as the issue from "the Mod-Squad" talking about game mods) and he is nowhere near as bloated as now! Its quite amazing actually - I guess he must've sat down and just typed code for extended periods of time without going outside or something!hehe makes me excited to see how far HL2 can go in my mx420
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: txxxx
Just because the nvidia chip runs at 400mhz doesnt mean it'll perform faster
Its not JUST about drivers, even if nvidia optimized (or should that be swap the FP32 routines with FP16 one's in drivers , internally), its the fact that the actual GPU itself is priced to similar levels of a ATI 9800 Pro yet its real FP32 processing power....isnt so good.
Im starting to think that you work for nvidia, or have shares in the company, or are you really that deluded
Just a diehard fan, thanks. Besides, I like playing things the way they're meant to be played.... (TM)
Oh btw I do own a nvidia card, my point is that times change, and your diehard fan attitude will ensure you suffer
Enjoy
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Shagga
Exactly...
Isn't it funny how they JUST NOW have a driver fix after the bad press?? This wreaks of the 3DMark fiasco all over again.
very convenient coincidence
Originally posted by: magomago
Aside from the videocard debate I'd like to bring up an issue related to HL2:
He must've really worked hard on this game - look how big he has gotten! I have an old issue of Computer Games MAgainze (formerly Computer Games Strategy Plus
hehe makes me excited to see how far HL2 can go in my mx420
From the sounds of this thread, we'll ALL be bloated...from playin HL2 all night...
Oh right.... so you like things nice and choppy and with low precision?
*teeheehee* couldnt resist mate....
Originally posted by: Budman
Yes and on Oct 1 I will watch out for Nebor's thread on how slow his card plays it.
ROFLMAO
LOL this is why i do not like any company when it comes to pc business its so easy to get ripped off or make a bad decision i feel sorry for u Nebor...any company will love a 'die hard fan' it just makes them confident that u will spend your money on their products...it is foolish to be a 'fan' of a company when the BIG picture is that they are more attracted to ur wallet than u
NFS4
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Originally posted by: shady06
Originally posted by: Budman
Yes and on Oct 1 I will watch out for Nebor's thread on how slow his card plays it.
ROFLMAO
I'm sure that the performance with the new Det 50 drivers will be much better and nearly equal to the Radeon cards...it remains to be seen if the image quality will suffer b/c of the performance increase.
Either way, something smells fishy on the NVIDIA side of things...
I am still trying to get over the fact that people think that nvidia will have a wonderful if not magical driver set coming which will some how summon a huge amount of extra speed from their hardware.
Sure there will be 'optimisations' which will do little tricks here and there but I do not expect to see massive gains especially if quality levels of the renderings are kept constant.
The GF FX family have been out for quite a while now and if nvidia still haven't properly optimised their drivers for the chips already then its their own fault and for that alone they deserve bad publicity. But I expect they have already pulled out 99% of the stops if not all of them to make their cards compete against ATI's in other gaming benchmarks.
Also, I expect there has been a fair bit of liasing with Valve from nvidia..... after all they are actually one of valve's supporting partners in many projects such as Steam and I'm sure they had recieved coding support/advice and hardware samples from nvidia.
If these performance numbers are maintained long after the release of HL2 and prove one architecture is superior over another, nvidia would have just become the Cyrix of the graphics world (well on PC anyway).
Sure there will be 'optimisations' which will do little tricks here and there but I do not expect to see massive gains especially if quality levels of the renderings are kept constant.
The GF FX family have been out for quite a while now and if nvidia still haven't properly optimised their drivers for the chips already then its their own fault and for that alone they deserve bad publicity. But I expect they have already pulled out 99% of the stops if not all of them to make their cards compete against ATI's in other gaming benchmarks.
Also, I expect there has been a fair bit of liasing with Valve from nvidia..... after all they are actually one of valve's supporting partners in many projects such as Steam and I'm sure they had recieved coding support/advice and hardware samples from nvidia.
If these performance numbers are maintained long after the release of HL2 and prove one architecture is superior over another, nvidia would have just become the Cyrix of the graphics world (well on PC anyway).
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