Originally posted by: DefRef
Originally posted by: Judgement
What deluded world do you live in? Technological industries aren't ment to run a cycle. The last time I checked the idea was to release better technology faster then your competitors. Seems like thats whats happened hear. The only time a schedule exists in this type of industry is when one corporation dominates it and can run on its own schedule and do as it pleases without worrying about the competition... well it looks like that is over with, at least for now. There is no "supposed to", as if you are supposed to wait even if you're finished the product before you release it? HAH!
I stopped reading at this point because to spend another moment listening to your naive and baseless slobberings would be like listen to a member of the Flat Earth Society. If you managed to put down something that wasn't incredibly moronic, I didn't see it. Sorry.
When Nvidia started on their 6-month development cycle, they weren't dominating anything. The Riva 128 had problems (and the NV1 almost sank them before they got started) and 3dfx was "King 3D". ATI owned the OEMs. So, how did Nvidia become the Evil Greedy Company that you portray them to be? They set out a plan to crank out a new product every six months and then hit their marks.
(You obviously have no idea about how businesses work or have been so misinformed that I really grieve for the quality of our schools, if you are the product of their teachings.)
You seem to believe that tech companies just run around, inventing cool stuff and trying to one-up each other, but that's NOT how it works! Nvidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, VIA, etc. are all just suppliers to the people who actually construct the finished, retail computers. All these components are selected months in advance to be integrated, tested, manufactured and sold in a specific time frame. Have you ever noticed (of course you haven't, it's a rhetorical question) that new computer models seem to show up around August, November and June? Ever think it might be to capitalize on back-to-school, Christmas and graduation gift purchases?
Dell, Gateway, HP, Sony, etc. have their Christmas machines on the drawing boards RIGHT NOW and they need to know what they're going to be putting into those boxes NOW and those suppliers had better come thru as needed or else they're SCREWED! A few years back, Gateway lost a bunch of money because Intel couldn't supply them with the chips they needed. When Intel introduced that chipset with the bad memory translator, PC makers watched their plans go up in smoke. It's supplier failures like this that KILLED 3dfx DEAD!!!
3dfx could never get their act together with OEMs (where the REAL money is) because they either made stuff the OEMs didn't want (3D only chips) or were late delivering the goods and supplied buggy drivers that would result in support headaches for the makers. When you have a problem with your video card, hard drive, CD-ROM, OS or speakers, you don't call ATI, Seagate, Lite-ON, Microsoft and JBL for support, you call Dell or Gateway and those calls chew into the profit for that computer, so you pick the most stable parts you can find. I took the Athlon a year to get into the mainstream because the mobos and stuff were too twitchy to bet the farm on.
Nvidia methodically built it's strength by promising to deliver parts that performed as advertised and ON TIME. By imposing the cycle they have, they've DISCIPLINED what can be an unruly field, the tech sector, and delivered the parts the OEMs needed, WHEN they needed them. 3dfx had board makers hanging while they futzed around trying to develop chips and Nvidia was able to approach them and say, "We can deliver the goods." and when 3dfx f*cked them over by buying STB, Nvidia was there to supply their graphics chip needs, since ATI, Matrox and 3dfx had gone the vertically integrated monopoly route.
That's another reason why your ignorance is so lamentable, you act as if Nvidia's dominance came about thru some foul play and evil schemes. Sorry, Bub...but winning customers by delivering superior products ON TIME is how you get ahead in business. How long would a donut shop stay in business if the customers came in and found that they hadn't made the donuts and coffee in time for the morning rush? Look what happened to Firestone - their tires blew up and killed a bunch of people and cost Ford BILLIONS of dollars. Is the fact that my new Explorer came with Michelins because the Michelin man thugged them into buying their products?
Nvidia's leadership has advanced the graphics business so much in only FOUR YEARS, it's amazing. Instead of being happy that SOMEONE, ANYONE was advancing the technology - utilizing AGP, 32-bit color, T&L, pixel shaders, etc. - and preaching the gospel of better graphics to game developers by promising that there would be cards that could run the code if they wrote it, you decide to piss and moan because it's not ATI leading the way. What an ingrate!
Finally, you seem to think that tech companies obligated to deliver the fastest thing possible at the first possible instant to satiate the crying babies need for speed. Well, it doesn't work that way. It costs millions of dollars to develop technology and those costs MUST be repaid thru the sales of that tech. If BitBoys spent $50 million dollars developing the "Glaze 1" and then whipped up the "Glaze 2" a month later, they AREN'T going to be scrapping sales of the first chip if the market doesn't call for it. They'll sell it for as long as they can before pressure to sell the new thing forces them to move on. Duh. Intel does it; AMD does it and so does ATI, but it's only evil when Nvidia limits the life-span of their products to merely a year or LESS.
That's what really p*sses off the fanboys - the constant pressure that Nvidia puts on the competition to keep up! Face it, the only reason that ATI made the giant leap forward is because another baby step would've put them farther behind. You crack me up! You complain about Nvidia's shark-like progress, constantly moving forward, never stopping, but it's ATI need to catch them that made them step up and deliver a truly interesting product. If you think they would have made this leap without having to catch Nvidia, you're as high as you are ignorant!!!
This was ATI's last shot at staying in the game. If they blew this (and they still could, botching the drivers, failing to get yields of this big part), not only would Nvidia win this round (which you've already acknowledged will eventually happen) but they'd be only six months away from unveiling what will probably be the demon grandchild of 3dfx's Rampage tech and whatever else they've got on the stove, simmering away.
That's why the fanboy's glee is so tinny and hollow: They can claim otherwise, but deep inside they know their moment of glory is going to be short-lived and the depths of their impending defeat will probably be insurmountable.
Hey, maybe it'll turn out differently and ATI will execute and Nvidia's best won't be good enough. If so, I'll be able to say, "Nvidia blew it.", something that you guys will NEVER be able to admit.
CLASS DISMISSED!!!
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