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daywalker

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OKKK... this is my last response to DefRef in this thread...

"So don't buy them! Do you buy a new car every year? Of course not! So, why are you feeling pressured to buy Nvidia cards? (Do the other kids at school pressure you to take drugs too?"

I didnt say im feeling pressured. But its not such a good feeling to buy the current top Nvidia card only to find out it will be outdated (according to Nvidia) 6 months later. By the way, i have finished school a long time ago. Drop your sarcasm.


"Do you remember what the Voodoo 2s cost when they came out in 1998? They were $250 for an 8MB card and $300 for the 12MB version. You had to supply a dedicated 2D card and buy TWO V2s to get 1024 rez. Were you protesting the unfairness of having to spend over $600 to play games back then? Why aren't you complaining that Porches cost more than Hondas?"

What i remember, is that 3D accelerator cards where far more affordable and there wasnt any 6 month cycle like it is now. Even a single V2 was more than enough, the SLI solution you are reffering about, wasnt a necessity.


"How are you being cheated? After Nvidia pulled the twice-a-year product cycle off a few times, you'd think people would've gotten hip to the pattern, but according to you, they haven't. This is Nvidia's fault how?!?"

Then explain who's fault is it? Or is everyone supposed to like Nvidia's pattern no matter what? And even if some people have gotten used to this pattern, there are tons out there who havent and never will. I am one of them. And its not because of my "pure Nvidia hatred" as you keep saying. I also thought and took under consideration, Nvidia's strategy but i just dont like it. The Geforce3 was supposed to be the next generation-trademark card that would run Doom3. I remember Carmack him self saying it, along with Steve Jobs when Geforce3 was announced back in early 2001, yet Nvidia rushes and develops GF4 later on, because of the Ati 8500. You call that a pattern, or desperate moves in order to gain ground (that had an impact, to us, the consumers)? Personally i find it pathetic. Do you also know that because of that pattern, only half of the abilities of current Nvidia cards are actually utilized? Take the XBOX for instance. It has only a modified version of a Geforce3 yet the graphical quality it produces is purely amazing in many examples.

You still like Nvidia's pattern? Be my guest.

As for the "contradiction" issue you said, i should of been more specific. Yes i dont need to have the top of the line video card and i dont mind playing games on their default settings. But thats also because i am cautious when it comes to investing my money, i dont want to invest on another Nvidia card, because i dont like its 6 month pattern. Still though, i feel like the new 9700 is worth it. Its truly a leap forward and it wont make me feel like a retard 6 months later. Sorry, but thats how i feel about it. I want to try something new and get off the Nvidia bandwagon.

And that, is my last post about the subject.

The release of the Radeon 9700, is a very important event. Not only its a leap forward for ATI in all aspects but it also is the beggining of the one thing that many people wanted for years now: The start of serious competition that will make things better for everyone. Wether some people like it or not, things have finally changed... to the better :)
 

cmdrdredd

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you think things have changed. You seem to think nvidia has been sitting on their arse all this time. I gurantee you the Nv30 will make people want o trade that 9700 ;-P especially for the better drivers.
 

Sachmho

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stop bickering people. who cares. what you may think is right someone else will think is wrong. thats the way it is. have a pop tart then take a nap.
 

Zen0ps

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You are speculating on a card that does not exist yet? If you are that hungry for a NV30, you can have it next year, I really don't need any more people fighting me for a 9700.

I'll take the Radeon 9700, that is over 2 times faster than a TI4600 now.

Nvidia's drivers are not *that* great. Have you ever tried *nix with their official drivers? Its about the same functionality as using an ATi with third party drivers. Both kinda suck... Neither one is anywhere near the functionality of Windows.

ATi sucked with the Rage pro (like 7 years ago) when they released the card without OpenGL support, but they have been excellent in the last year or so.

The standard ATi drivers that come on XP are solid, and rumored to be outsourced by ATI and engineered by Microsoft (in otherwords, ATi got a big bandwagon of cash and rolled it up to Microsoft and said here... You make a perfect set of "base" drivers for us to model a driver set on, and they did) NOONE has problems with XP and ATI cards 7x00 or 8x00, that can be related to software, I have done enough systems now to know that FOR SURE. Its when people start doing things like installing third party DVD players (screwing up the overlays) and hacked beta drivers when things start to go bad.
 

cmdrdredd

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sure sure whatever. I've had my share of ATI cards and have built ystems with them and the most common question i get is why does this game freeze/crash etc. When I plug my Nvidia card in their system they want to buy it from me because gosh...it works.

Not to say the 9700 will have the same trouble, but I think people are making more of a deal about this card than it's really worth.
 

railer

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Who is this defref guy, and what elementary school does he go to? I don't want my kids going there....
I've been following graphics cards pretty closely for the past few years now, and I have never before seen a new product so completely dominate the existing product leader. The performance of the 9700 in simply incredible...puts Nvidia to shame. Next year when the 9700's are $75 for a Newegg refurb I'll probably pick one up... :)
 

cmdrdredd

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the Ti4600 really put down the 8500...I don't have definate percentage numbers, but it was great.

Also why does everyone make a big deal about AA this and FSAA that? Maybe I'm missing something but the most popular resolution is 1024x768 still and most users don't play with AA or FSAA. Unless they're in the know and alot of users just buy a card based on recommendation and what is the current fastest. I bet alot of the potential users won't even play with drivers or other such things. They'll just buy it because $400 is more thN $350 and the $400 card has got to be faster because you get what you pay for.

Sad but true ;-\
 

rockandroll

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The 9700 is impressive but the NV30 will lay waste to it. Also, too bad there's no DX9 games out to utilize any of the fantastic 9700 DX9 features. If we're lucky we might see Doom III by this time next year but by then the 9700 will be old news. I'm not spending $300 to play my DX8 games faster, my GF4 does a fine job now.
 

daywalker

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Not to say the 9700 will have the same trouble, but I think people are making more of a deal about this card than it's really worth.

This thing is indeed a big deal. But you and DefRef dont seem to want it to be.

Try and live with it.





 

cmdrdredd

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you can love it, but I really don't see the big deal. I EXPECTED THIS!

If ATI didn't release something like this it would be pathetic. Maybe you all just woke up and realized what i already knew. I know the next cards WILL BE FASTER! Especially when they're a new part that supports a new API remember the GF3?
 

AnAndAustin

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:D LOL It really is ridiculous. Everybody was simply saying that the Rad9700 is great, which it undeniably is, and how glad and surprised they were at how much faster than the previous champion it was, great news for everybody (except nVidia fan boys). There were no FAN BOYS until that idiot DeafRef stuck his unecessary insults and mis-quotes in. And now cmdrdredd is trying to suggest that anybody not slanging ATI are ATI-fan boys. Grow up you 2, you really are pathetic. And DeafRef, it is plain for everybody to see how miffed you are that your GF4TI4400 is not only a waste compared to the GF4TI4200 but now that Rad9700 is SO much better than even the 4600 you feel you need to act like a spoiled child and throw a temper trantrum, ranting and raving while making no real point. LOSER!
 

DeadHead

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Wow, so many long long long posts.... Hell you can make a book. Well done ATI they finally caught up ;)
 

coomarlin

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It's simple really. ATI was on top with the 8500 for a few months. Then Nvidia released their next line and the 8500 almost had to drop price to stay competitive. I predict the same this time around.

It's a little different this time around. When the 8500 came out it had only a slight performance increase over the Geforce 3. In some cases it was even a little slower. It didn't take that much on nVidia's part to get the performance crown back. Timing was the biggest problem with the 8500.

But the story is a little different this time around. The 9700 outperforms the 4600 by a much larger margin than the 8500/geforce 3 margin. And the timing is also better this time around. We could be looking at 4 or 5 months between the 9700 and the introduction of the NV30. Possibly even longer if nVidia continues to have issues with the .13 process.

 

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defref: If you reply again, it would be extremely refreshing to hear logical arguments that are well presented instead of you just trying to piss everyone off with third grade talk. You didn't hear anyone dissing the new GF4s because of the (unreleased) R300, so let ATi have their day and congrats to nVidia when it releases it's next gen card too.
 

DefRef

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I read the preview of the 9700 and was thoroughly impressed. Then I came here and wanted to barf at the lunacy being spewed by the fanboys. Sorry, kiddies, but you ARE fanboys. The only reason you think their weren't was because no one called you out on it.

Daywalker is the worst because he refused to understand that Nvidia isn't screwing anyone with an IQ above room temperature by releasing new products on a regular schedule. Look at it this way - I just leased a new truck and those bastards at Ford are putting out the 2003s in a couple of months, those greedy bastards! I feel like such a fool for buying my Explorer only to have them put out a new model that makes my $30,000 purchase instantly a waste!!! Damn them!!!

If you think that sounds ridiculous, why can't you understand why Daywalker needs his diapers changed?

cliffa3: All my arguments have been logical, it's the fanboys that are raving, delusional maniacs. The fact that I was able to use all their "logic" to prove how wrong and biased they are only made them angry, prolly cuz they got pimpsmacked by someone able to understand how business works. Their bitter hatred of Nvidia has caused them to ignore reality and rewrite history to create a Fantasyland where they and their beloved ATi cards can build a little house, with a picket fence, where they can live happily ever after.

And I thought the Mac crowd was frightening.

Sorry if I'm raining on the parade, but it's for your own good. If y'all had just said, "w00t!!! ATI rocks!! I can't wait to buy one! Bring on Doom 3!!!", I wouldn't have had a thing to say. But, nooooooooooo....you had to smack talk Nvidia AND lie about how they got to where they are and the Ref don't play that.

IF Nvidia pooches the NV30, I'll be leading the charge of people saying they blew it, but I know for damn certain that the ATI fanboys are genetically incapable of admitting any weakness in their side's products and will never be honest. They are the modern Zombies. You know, there are still 3dfx folk, living in damp caves, to this day, muttering, "The Rampage....Rampage....THAT would have RULED!!! Rampage would've put us back on top....my preccciiooosussssssss Rampage.....BAGGINS!!!!"
 

gururu

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huh?? The top integrated video out there is the nforce, which is only for Athlons, and even that is inferior to the V5. Not sure which board that is, but if its one of the new Intel boards, the integrated video on that is like worse than a TNT2!

Hey Deeko,

Tech Report has it in line with a GF2 MX200
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q2/abit-bg7/index.x?pg=8

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1276&p=14

All I know is that it plays Neverwinter Nights better! Probably a driver thing.
gururu

 

cliffa3

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Originally posted by: DefRef
I read the preview of the 9700 and was thoroughly impressed. Then I came here and wanted to barf at the lunacy being spewed by the fanboys. Sorry, kiddies, but you ARE fanboys. The only reason you think their weren't was because no one called you out on it.

Daywalker is the worst because he refused to understand that Nvidia isn't screwing anyone with an IQ above room temperature by releasing new products on a regular schedule. Look at it this way - I just leased a new truck and those bastards at Ford are putting out the 2003s in a couple of months, those greedy bastards! I feel like such a fool for buying my Explorer only to have them put out a new model that makes my $30,000 purchase instantly a waste!!! Damn them!!!


about your car reference...video cards would be the same and that would be a *logical* argument if there were something similar to equity in vid cards, but they fall in price so quickly that there isn't. I see you're trying to use logic, but it's not logical...big difference.

Originally posted by: DefRef
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>when they're STILL owning a larger share

Dude the numbers speak for themselves, and it's NOT a 'large share' as you would put it, according to these numbers it would be within %10 maybe even less
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When did English become such a trouble for people?

i don't know...when did it for you?...point in case:

Originally posted by: DefRef
The only reason you think their weren't was because no one called you out on it.

i have a feeling the patter repeats (every, oh say six months...who's to say)...what i'm talking about: you calling someone on something and then doing it yourself.
 

daywalker

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Originally posted by: DefRef

Daywalker is the worst because he refused to understand that Nvidia isn't screwing anyone with an IQ above room temperature by releasing new products on a regular schedule. Look at it this way - I just leased a new truck and those bastards at Ford are putting out the 2003s in a couple of months, those greedy bastards! I feel like such a fool for buying my Explorer only to have them put out a new model that makes my $30,000 purchase instantly a waste!!! Damn them!!!

Oh so just because im refusing to accept Nvidia's pattern and strategy that makes me the worst? I should accept whatever Nvidia throws at me without even thinking of my own interest first? Just shut up and and accept it whether i like it or not without having an opinion or choice of my own? ARE YOU SERIOUS MY FRIEND, OR HAS THE SUMMER HEAT MADE YOUR BRAINS SCRAMBLED???

You like being led by the nose for the rest of your tech-life? Thats no problem for me. But dont you DARE imply to me that i should do the same wether i like it or not... I also cant believe that Nvidia has brainwashed you so much that you dont even try to be openminded about this whole thing.

With your above comment, im positive now that you are nothing but a PISSED fanboy that cant stand the fact that ATI, has finally a card out that is way much superior than the current Geforce line and will be very close in performnce to the next Geforce line. Im sorry if you hate the fact that for the first time and for a while your precious Nvidia is second best, but thats how things are right now and no matter how much bickering you do will change that. Live with it and try to accept it.

Im done arguing with you.
 

Actaeon

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Flame on!

No, we all aren't ATi Fanboys, Hell, I've never owned an ATi card. I, as well as many others at Anandtech are fanboys of performance, and thats where ATi beats Nvidia RIGHT NOW (or in 30 days at least).
 

AnAndAustin

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I agree daywalker, it's totally worthless any of us wasting any time on DeafRef, he's shown his narrow mindedness and immaturity, leave him to fester in his own paranoid delusional filth that spews from his mouth. The thing I find the most amusing is how he says everybody talking about the Rad9700 are ATI fanboys and were drubbing nVidia, that wasn't the case at all. As I said earlier, "Everybody was simply saying that the Rad9700 is great, which it undeniably is, and how glad and surprised they were at how much faster than the previous champion it was, great news for everybody (except nVidia fan boys). There were no FAN BOYS until that idiot DeafRef stuck his unecessary insults and mis-quotes in ... DeafRef, it is plain for everybody to see how miffed you are that your GF4TI4400 is not only a waste compared to the GF4TI4200 but now that Rad9700 is SO much better than even the 4600 you feel you need to act like a spoiled child and throw a temper trantrum, ranting and raving while making no real point. LOSER!"
 

Psiko

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I started reading this thread with interest. Then with amusement (after DeafRef's first post) and finally with astonishment and disbelief (as I continued to read DeafRef's posts).

Fortunately (with a couple of notable exceptions) it seems everyone is as impressed with ATi's new flagship as they should be! There is not much point restating why as it seems obvious to most of us and the only two who might benefit from the read aren't listening anyway.

As a gamer and 3D modeler, I appreciate the blistering frame rates of the latest crop of cards. But beyond that, one of the things I applaud ATi and Matrox in particular for is their attention to image *quality*. Also, as many have stated before, the competition in this field is good for everyone and will drive the industry forward. Kudo's to ATi for producing such a winner but also to Matrox and Xabre for getting back into the fray.

Some of you may have noticed that this is my first post. I joined this forum because I simply could not refrain from commenting after reading some of the ludicrous posts by DeafRef (thanks for the pun AnAndAustin). But, on the upside, DeafRef's twisted view of what people are saying and his ability to fixate own his opinion with complete disregard others viewpoints leads me to believe he may have a promising career in politics.

DeafRef, when Tates said: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It only wastes your time and it annoys the pig." you do realize that someone was trying to teach you how to sing - right?
 

Judgement

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No, we all aren't ATi Fanboys, Hell, I've never owned an ATi card. I, as well as many others at Anandtech are fanboys of performance, and thats where ATi beats Nvidia RIGHT NOW

Exactly.
 

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Originally posted by: Deeko
....the 9700 frightens me

LMFAO!
hahahaha!! That statement cracks me up :D I wonder if ATI could use this kind of fear in their advertising:

"The ATI 9700: It will scare the sh*t out of you"