Anand's 9800XT vs NV38 "Review"

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Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Show me where they have changed the rules?

I think it is obvious the rules have changed as they used Beta drivers in the last review. Dont you think it is safe to assume this?

Dont be bitter you card isnt very good

It always brings a chuckle to me when people say something as ignorant as this. You tell me what about my current video card isnt very good?

Right now I can run every single one of my games that I play at 1600X1200X32 with 4AA\4AF, and they are silky smooth. Now please do tell me what about that setup "isnt very good"?

lol!

No it isnt safe to assume that. Its safe to assume the reviewer messed up.

There is no way you can run every game 1600x1200x32 wtih 4xAA/4xAF with "silky smooth" frames. Your CPU is far too slow. There are many games that would bring it to its knees. Try Halo, then come back with some common sense.

I also noticed you said "right now" because you know its a poor card for future games :lol:

 

Genx87

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Heh so true rollo so true. I was very surprised how my FX5900 cleaned up dark ages of camelot. That game has horrible hirrible jaggies. Now the game looks just fantastic.

There is no way you can run every game 1600x1200x32 wtih 4xAA/4xAF with "silky smooth" frames. Your CPU is far too slow. There are many games that would bring it to its knees. Try Halo, then come back with some common sense.

Well my CPU isnt exactly slow either. 2200Mhz XP is about as fast as they get. I would try Halo but i didnt think the game was very fun on the xBox. Right now I am waiting on HL2 and or Doom3 and a game called Battlefield Command which is due out in Spring.

I also noticed you said "right now" because you know its a poor card for future games :lol:


I said right now because every single one of the games I play "Right Now" I can do this with duh!

When I make a purchasing decision I make it based on what it will give me right now. Time and time again when people buy something for the future it never pans out in the computer industry. Just like all those who bought the original P4 thinking optimizations would be right around the corner, the people who bought the first Geforce256 for the T&L but found out by the time any games hit the market with T&L their cards were slow, and now people who bought a 9800 pro or XT for HL2 only to find out the game wont be out anytime soon and will give them a whole 60FPS @ 1024X768 when it does arrive.

These generation of cards while blazing fast in DX8 titles look rather pathetic for the new games coming out. 20 FPS for FF? Wow can I plop down 400 bucks to get that kind of performance now? HL2 on the best hardware spitting out 60-70FPS at 1024X768?

So I bought my 5900 to play the games I play today blazing fast. When the games I come out tomorrow play poorly then Ill upgrade to the next generation of cards when I need to. If I purchased a card today to play tomorrows games and expected it to play them great I would be living in a dream world.

 
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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
On page 4 of the Radeon 9800XT Part 1 Review, Ananda says:

We used ATI?s publicly available Catalyst 3.7 drivers and in order to support the NV38 we used NVIDIA?s forthcoming 52.14 drivers.

Is this a lie given that the WHQL DET 45.32 drivers support NV38 according to Elite member THUGSROOK:

[Strings]
NVIDIA&DEV_0020.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA RIVA TNT"
NVIDIA&DEV_0028.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro"
NVIDIA&DEV_0029.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_002C.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Vanta/Vanta LT"
NVIDIA&DEV_002D.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro"
NVIDIA&DEV_00A0.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Aladdin TNT2"
NVIDIA&DEV_0100.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce 256"
NVIDIA&DEV_0101.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce DDR"
NVIDIA&DEV_0103.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro"
NVIDIA&DEV_0110.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400"
NVIDIA&DEV_0111.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200"
NVIDIA&DEV_0113.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro2 MXR/EX"
NVIDIA&DEV_01A0.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce2 Integrated GPU"
NVIDIA&DEV_0150.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro"
NVIDIA&DEV_0151.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce2 Ti"
NVIDIA&DEV_0152.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_0153.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro2 Pro"
NVIDIA&DEV_0170.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 460"
NVIDIA&DEV_0171.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440"
NVIDIA&DEV_0172.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420"
NVIDIA&DEV_0173.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440-SE"
NVIDIA&DEV_0178.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 550 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_017A.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro NVS"
NVIDIA&DEV_0181.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X"
NVIDIA&DEV_0182.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440SE with AGP8X"
NVIDIA&DEV_0183.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420 with AGP8X"
NVIDIA&DEV_0188.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 580 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_018A.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro NVS with AGP8X"
NVIDIA&DEV_018B.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 380 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_01F0.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU"
NVIDIA&DEV_0200.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce3"
NVIDIA&DEV_0201.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200"
NVIDIA&DEV_0202.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 500"
NVIDIA&DEV_0203.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro DCC"
NVIDIA&DEV_0250.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600"
NVIDIA&DEV_0251.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400"
NVIDIA&DEV_0253.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200"
NVIDIA&DEV_0258.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 900 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_0259.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_025B.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 700 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_0280.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800"
NVIDIA&DEV_0281.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X"
NVIDIA&DEV_0282.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE"
NVIDIA&DEV_0288.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 980 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_0289.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro4 780 XGL"
NVIDIA&DEV_0301.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_0302.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800"
NVIDIA&DEV_0308.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro FX 2000"
NVIDIA&DEV_0309.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro FX 1000"
NVIDIA&DEV_0311.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_0312.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600"
NVIDIA&DEV_0313.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV31"
NVIDIA&DEV_0314.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600SE"
NVIDIA&DEV_0321.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_0322.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200"
NVIDIA&DEV_0323.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200SE"
NVIDIA&DEV_032A.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV34GL"
NVIDIA&DEV_032B.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro FX 500"
NVIDIA&DEV_032F.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV34GL"
NVIDIA&DEV_0330.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_0331.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900"
NVIDIA&DEV_0332.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV35"
NVIDIA&DEV_0333.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA GeForce FX 5950 Ultra"
NVIDIA&DEV_0334.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV38"

NVIDIA&DEV_0338.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA Quadro FX 3000"
NVIDIA&DEV_0341.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV36"
NVIDIA&DEV_0342.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV36"
NVIDIA&DEV_0343.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV36"
NVIDIA&DEV_034E.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV36GL"
NVIDIA&DEV_034F.DeviceDesc="NVIDIA NV36GL"

No GT, that wouldn't make sense. The NV35 and NV38 are identical save for core and mem speed increases, so the 45.23's could have been used.
So why did Anand lie?

(Heh, it WAS worth wading thru that whole thread Evan...I should come by here more often! :) )
 

nRollo

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There is no way you can run every game 1600x1200x32 wtih 4xAA/4xAF with "silky smooth" frames. Your CPU is far too slow. There are many games that would bring it to its knees. Try Halo, then come back with some common sense.
Err, he's not the one that needs to come back with some common sense Ackmed. Lesson in cpu performance for you: The Athlon XPs perform much higher than their MHz indicate because they do more operations per cycle than P4s. A 2.16GHz XP is performance rated a 3000+, and he has a 2.2GHz XP? His cpu is about as fast as it gets.

I also noticed you said "right now" because you know its a poor card for future games :lol:
Why do you say that Ackmed? Apparently out of ignorance.


 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: digitalwandererSo why did Anand lie?

He didn't. Again, it seems to come down to a lack of reading comprehension on your part.

(Heh, it WAS worth wading thru that whole thread Evan...I should come by here more often! :) )

I think it's sad that you waded through this thread and bumped it 3 days after it died.