Analysts: GOP May Be Out of Step With Public

[Genx87]

83% Kerry that should speak for itself.
bush's support relies on uninformed isolated white suburbanites -

Am I the only one who thinks the above statement is ironic?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

83% Kerry that should speak for itself.
bush's support relies on uninformed isolated white suburbanites -

Am I the only one who thinks the above statement is ironic?

to your white elitest ego I am sure it is.
Your the one that made the uninformed statement about african americans supporting bush lol
You just prove the OP correct with how out of step your mode of thinking is.
bush was elected by about 30 something percent of ALL americans.

The election proves one thing IMO
1. They scared the suburbanite whites with terrorist boogeyman the GOP got a good turnout there.
2. A good part of america still thinks ALL these guys are criminals and don't vote.
3. jk was not all that appealing and his message was the same crap as bush's

 

[Genx87]

to your white elitest ego I am sure it is.
Your the one that made the uninformed statement about african americans supporting bush lol

Please show me where I said blacks supporting bush.

 

[Genx87]

You just prove the OP correct with how out of step your mode of thinking is.
bush was elected by about 30 something percent of ALL americans.

You are continuing down the slippery slope.

Please tell me the last time a president got over 50% of votes from ALL Americans.

 

[Steeplerot]

A good part of americans don't buy politicians lies what's new?
jk screwed the pooch when he never even spoke up against the war or took a stand and represented the left....
bush screwed up by thinking he could bully the people with fear.
(even though he won the election becasue the fear propaganda is so widespread in the corporate media.)
he is still the most despised prez in history I am sure.
I am sure nixon would be proud.
as soon as the right wingers step away from in front of the tv bush is slammed everywhere.
the gop is very out of step even though their lapdogs at fox try to call everyone else elitest.
we all kow who bush said the elitest were. "his base"

 

[Genx87]

You are losing it. Do you want some cheese with your whine?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I know, he is showing his true colors latley.

What colors are those? I can't stand the Dub, I think he sucks as President and is fscking this country up. IMO he's inept and dishonest (well more so than most politicians)

You talk about people being isloted from the reality of American life. Tell me, how do you know that it isn't you who are islolated from the reality of American life? Maybe there is more than one reality. I've lived in both Suburbia and now I live in the City of Boston. Within this city there are different realities for different sections. There is the reality of South Boston, then there is the reality of Roxbury and then there is the reality of greater Boston....all different. Hell in Frisco you have the reality of Hunters Points and the Mission District, then you have the reality of the Castro and finally the reality Pacific Hieghts and the Marina. I'm sure you know that the reality of those who live in Hunters Point is very different than those who live in Pacific Hieghts.

 

[Steeplerot]

hunters point and pacific heights are part of the city besides racial diffrences in the population we deal with the same thing day to day.
If you want to see a change in awareness you would have to use anything past berzerkley
a good 20 miles out.
Going out to the burb's it's like night and day, the white folk peer at you for being diffrent, clutch their children in fear at someone walking..freaking walking not in a car to a strip mall.
It's like stepping into the twilight zone of ignorance.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
hunters point and pacific heights are part of the city besides racial diffrences in the population we deal with the same thing day to day.

Yeah right, the only interaction that those who live in Pacific Hieghts have with those who live in Hunters Point is when The Pacific Hieghts residents drive through Hunters Point to get somewhere.

 

[Steeplerot]

who drives in the city? very few. RD you don't know the city that well. no offense you may know neighborhood names but thats about it.
we all work and hang out in the same areas. In HP people sit on their porches and talk at their neighbors 24/7. They come downtown to hang out on market st and lower haight. (the 'mo)
The "specific whites" crowd come to haight to hang out at coffeeshops and work downtown.
ON THE BUS with fellow residents.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Also in 'Frisco - don't forget about the reality of Turk Street . . .
or the Doggy Diner at 3:00 A.M. on Chinese New Year . . .

the Reality' is in the eyes of those who are having the experience of any event . .
any place . . . any time.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Then why the grandstanding in the first place.... answer: exploitation.

I dont think it was grandstanding at all. When something like this happens in the criminal courts there is a federal review before the person is put to death through actions of the govt. The state court ruled the tube to be removed. The repubs wanted a federal court to review the case and make sure her constitutional rights were not violated. They got what they wanted and the federal judge is upholding the states ruling.

I think many people who supported the legislative action from a realistic standpoint are fine with this. In all reality I am surprised there isnt a natural progression for cases like these to a federal court.

Have you seen this... GOP Terri Schiavo Talking Points Memo
This was grandstanding... political theatre if you will.

Edit: Thanks Capn... fixed now.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Going out to the burb's it's like night and day, the white folk peer at you for being diffrent, clutch their children in fear at someone walking..freaking walking not in a car to a strip mall.
It's like stepping into the twilight zone of ignorance.

Not really. Go to the Berryesa District on San Jose or the Eastside of San Jose and you will see a very diverse mix of people. Sure they'd probably stare at some Marilyn Manson Look a Like but that's just because he looks weird to begin with. If more people around them dressed for Halloween 365 day a year I'm sure they'd stop staring.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Also in 'Frisco - don't forget about the reality of Turk Street . . .
or the Doggy Diner at 3:00 A.M. on Chinese New Year . . .

the Reality' is in the eyes of those who are having the experience of any event . .
any place . . . any time.

Any time you step out of the house it's inevitable you are going to be asked to share your views with anyone of any color. This city has been through a LOT together.
And we try to mosly stick together. It's why we call it "The City" with pride.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If more people around them dressed for Halloween 365 day a year I'm sure they'd stop staring.

SJ is no less a suburb then omaha nebraska those people are a million miles away as far as the mindset 40-50 miles north. I could care less what SJ people think down in the "south bay" I havent even been there for a few years. Why would I?
If I am going south on a long roadtrip I will go to LA not SJ lol
SJ people come here everyday though and I never get attitude from them.
So I don't know what your talking about. SJ people are the types that drive and complain about their cars and bills endlessly, here's a clue.. you live in BFE keep your cars at home when you visit.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Link Fix

'Hot-Button' Politics - at their worst.
Pure exploitation for political gain.

Shameful.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

What does the left/Ted Kennedy have to do with this thread? Stick to the topic please and answer the question.

You are implying this will bite the repubs in the ass. It sure looks like the monetary costs are one of your reasonings for your theory. But I ask who is going to come out and exploit this from the left and make this bite the repubs in the arse? Nobody has a leg to stand on if they are going to complain about money.

I was just tossing out the taxpayer waste question to you. Have you seen the numerous polls that are all at least 2-1 against Congress taking action? Sounds like the GOP is going against the grain on this.

And, there's sentiment like this

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If more people around them dressed for Halloween 365 day a year I'm sure they'd stop staring.

SJ is no less a suburb then omaha nebraska those people are a million miles away as far as the mindset 40-50 miles north. I could care less what SJ people think down in the "south bay" I havent even been there for a few years. Why would I?
If I am going south on a long roadtrip I will go to LA not SJ lol
SJ people come here everyday though and I never get attitude from them.

Hey when in Rome! You are just part of the attraction. I remember back in the 60's when they use to have tours of the Haight so the Square Heads could oggle the Hippies.:laugh:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Then why the grandstanding in the first place.... answer: exploitation.

I dont think it was grandstanding at all. When something like this happens in the criminal courts there is a federal review before the person is put to death through actions of the govt. The state court ruled the tube to be removed. The repubs wanted a federal court to review the case and make sure her constitutional rights were not violated. They got what they wanted and the federal judge is upholding the states ruling.

I think many people who supported the legislative action from a realistic standpoint are fine with this. In all reality I am surprised there isnt a natural progression for cases like these to a federal court.

Have you seen this... GOP Terri Schiavo Talking Points Memo
This was grandstanding... political theatre if you will.

Edit: Thanks Capn... fixed now.

This legislation ensures that individuals like Terri Schiavo are guaranteed the same legal protections as convicted murderers like Ted Bundy

Read what I said.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

What does the left/Ted Kennedy have to do with this thread? Stick to the topic please and answer the question.

You are implying this will bite the repubs in the ass. It sure looks like the monetary costs are one of your reasonings for your theory. But I ask who is going to come out and exploit this from the left and make this bite the repubs in the arse? Nobody has a leg to stand on if they are going to complain about money.

I was just tossing out the taxpayer waste question to you. Have you seen the numerous polls that are all at least 2-1 against Congress taking action? Sounds like the GOP is going against the grain on this.

And, there's sentiment like this

How long did you really think americans would be fooled by bush's and the tv's lies?
(except for the partisan hacks and haters)
Americans are not stupid people. This place is a pretty good example.
The right except for the most rabid followers have high-tailed it once they thought the situation out and realized they were played like a fiddle.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If more people around them dressed for Halloween 365 day a year I'm sure they'd stop staring.

SJ is no less a suburb then omaha nebraska those people are a million miles away as far as the mindset 40-50 miles north. I could care less what SJ people think down in the "south bay" I havent even been there for a few years. Why would I?
If I am going south on a long roadtrip I will go to LA not SJ lol
SJ people come here everyday though and I never get attitude from them.

Hey when in Rome! You are just part of the attraction. I remember back in the 60's when they use to have tours of the Haight so the Square Heads could oggle the Hippies.:laugh:

Don't get me started on the poser hippies on Haight st. in the late 60's
I live on that street still and thankfully they are long gone back home buying into whatever trend is in style.
Most of the kids who come here make it for just a few months before getting crabs and taking the bus back home to mommy. :laugh:

The breed of people that make it here are pretty rare but it makes for a damn cool place to live.
You either need a damn big trust fund or work your ass off like you never have to live in San Francisco -and that is no joke.
-speaking of which i have to head off to work and I am totally threadjacking conjur, sorry man!
( i just can't get into all the hype about this feedng tube thing.)

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Have you seen this... GOP Terri Schiavo Talking Points Memo
This was grandstanding... political theatre if you will.

Edit: Thanks Capn... fixed now.

This legislation ensures that individuals like Terri Schiavo are guaranteed the same legal protections as convicted murderers like Ted Bundy

Read what I said.

It's not individuals like Terri Schiavo. That is a bold faced lie. It is the the individual Terri Schiavo only. Since I'm sure none of you have actually read the legislation, I will post it here.

The legislation makes it clear that Repubs used Congress as a judicial body to move the case to federal courts. Why? Because the law specifically names Terri Schiavo and the law specfically states it sets absolutely no precedent. The GOP has created a directive for a specific person's case, which is exactly what judicial bodies do.

Please read it!

SECTION 1. RELIEF OF THE PARENTS OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO.

The United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida shall have jurisdiction to hear, determine, and render judgment on a suit or claim by or on behalf of Theresa Marie Schiavo for the alleged violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution or laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

SEC. 2. PROCEDURE.

Any parent of Theresa Marie Schiavo shall have standing to bring a suit under this Act. The suit may be brought against any other person who was a party to State court proceedings relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain the life of Theresa Marie Schiavo, or who may act pursuant to a State court order authorizing or directing the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life. In such a suit, the District Court shall determine de novo any claim of a violation of any right of Theresa Marie Schiavo within the scope of this Act, notwithstanding any prior State court determination and regardless of whether such a claim has previously been raised, considered, or decided in State court proceedings. The District Court shall entertain and determine the suit without any delay or abstention in favor of State court proceedings, and regardless of whether remedies available in the State courts have been exhausted.

SEC. 3. RELIEF.

After a determination of the merits of a suit brought under this Act, the District Court shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights of Theresa Marie Schiavo under the Constitution and laws of the United States relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life.

SEC. 4. TIME FOR FILING.

Notwithstanding any other time limitation, any suit or claim under this Act shall be timely if filed within 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act.

SEC. 5. NO CHANGE OF SUBSTANTIVE RIGHTS.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States.

SEC. 6. NO EFFECT ON ASSISTING SUICIDE.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to confer additional jurisdiction on any court to consider any claim related--

(1) to assisting suicide, or
(2) a State law regarding assisting suicide.

SEC. 7. NO PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE LEGISLATION.

Nothing in this Act shall constitute a precedent with respect to future legislation, including the provision of private relief bills.

SEC. 8. NO AFFECT ON THE PATIENT SELF-DETERMINATION ACT OF 1990.

Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient Self- Determination Act of 1990.

SEC. 9. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.

It is the Sense of Congress that the 109th Congress should consider policies regarding the status and legal rights of incapacitated individuals who are incapable of making decisions concerning the provision, withholding, or withdrawal of foods, fluid, or medical care.

 

[Genx87]

The legislation makes it clear that Repubs used Congress as a judicial body to move the case to federal courts. Why? Because the law specifically names Terri Schiavo and the law specfically states it sets absolutely no precedent. The GOP has created a directive for a specific person's case, which is exactly what judicial bodies do.

Thank you for stating the obvious.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe it is the liberal court in Florida that is out of step with the public.

 

[BullsOnParade]

Has anyone seen the details on how the patient dies after removal of the feeding tube.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7254897/?GT1=6305
I like how despite how gruesome the details are they omit that the patient starves to
death like a rat in a dirty cage. Couldn't they just give her a lethal injection for godsake. I
blame idiot ethicists and even more idiotic sanctity of life polemicists .