An just mid-east peace may be up to the USA.

[Lemon law]

Nit linked in is today's opening peace talks where Netanyuhu and Abbas agreed to meet again on 9/14 in Egypt this time.

But I do link in an article I found in the NYT's with the thesis, that without some big changes in Israel, peace will be impossible.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...rs/no-chance-of-peace-with-settlements-around

But the three main points made seem to be, Israeli settlers are a deliberate products of the Israeli government, that the USA has failed to frown on that Israeli policy is the main problem in getting to a peace, and that until the USA quits aiding Israel in its settler policy, peace will be impossible to find. And there are some interesting reader comments
after the article.

 

[Ns1]

"An just mid-east peavce may be up to the USA."

WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY

 

[KMFJD]

"An just mid-east peavce may be up to the USA."

WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY

What he usually says, Palestine good, Israel evil

 

[BoberFett]

"An just mid-east peavce may be up to the USA."

WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY

Go easy on him, he probably shared a mid morning aperitif with dahunan.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Go easy on him, he probably shared a mid morning aperitif with dahunan.

LOL, thank god I didn't have any tea in my mouth or I would've spit it on my monitor!

 

[Lemon law]

I see Israeli fan clubbers are having a kill the messenger field day.

I linking in the Statements of a Columbia University Professor, so your logical quarrel if you disagree should lie with the Professor's statements.

But I see, so far, that all responders thus far have no evident logic.

 

[Ns1]

But I see, so far, that all responders thus far have no evident logic.

I have evidence that your grammar is terrible.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I see Israeli fan clubbers are having a kill the messenger field day.

I linking in the Statements of a Columbia University Professor, so your logical quarrel if you disagree should lie with the Professor's statements.

But I see, so far, that all responders thus far have no evident logic.

Rashid Khalidi is the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University. He is the author of "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness."

The author of the article is evidence enough.

Seeing that he is from columbia just enforces

 

[squirrel dog]

Rashid Khalidi beloved patriot yes .

 

[Jaskalas]

"An just mid-east peavce may be up to the USA."

WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY

Reward terrorism to achieve peace.

 

[Martin]

So let's review: For there to be peace, Palestinians need to be safe, secure and in control of their own affairs. For that to happen, they either must become full, equal citizens of Israel or they need their own state, and I think neither side wants the former.

Ok, so you need a Palestinian state, but how can there be a Palestinian state if a good portion of Israeli citizens (settlers and settler supporters) think that all of post-1967 Israel is their biblical right (oddly, its post-1967 that's somehow the biblical right, not post-1948 or post-1973, funny that)?


Netanyahu is playing a very transparent game (let's not mince words, its slow-mo ethnic cleansing) - build as many settlements as possible, then claim the land is Israeli because hey, Israelis now live there. To him and his supporters, the violence on both sides is a very small price to pay for the land-grab and he'd like to play this game for as long as possible. Other than their own morality, nothing is really pushing the Israelis towards peace, and they don't seem to care too much about that.

 

[dahunan]

I have evidence that your grammar is terrible.

That makes you a better human being than Gandhi/Mother Theresa combined.. you have good grammar.? I hope you can lead us all to the promised land

Good Grammar is just what the world needs...

We are not in need of

honesty
fairness
integrity

Both sides reporting the truth.. not just one side

too many sorry worthless carcasses sit around and never imagine what the truth really is or imagine what it really would be like to live in the other persons shoes they so freely condemn ..

 

[dahunan]

Netanyahu is playing a very transparent game (let's not mince words, its slow-mo ethnic cleansing) - build as many settlements as possible, then claim the land is Israeli because hey, Israelis now live there. To him and his supporters, the violence on both sides is a very small price to pay for the land-grab and he'd like to play this game for as long as possible. Other than their own morality, nothing is really pushing the Israelis towards peace, and they don't seem to care too much about that.

^^ gets it

and fwiw.. America is a pawn of Israel.. been that way for a long time

 

[dahunan]

Reward terrorism to achieve peace.

TERRORIZE others after the end of the Holocaust? huh? is that what you said?

You guys are so lost.. you constantly see Israelis as sweet little doves.. who haven't used and been terrorists all the time to their neighbors

When they moved there.. the Jewish Terrorists murdered the first ever peacekeeper sent to the region.. now who wants peace??

 

[quikah]

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/591/01/

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As usual, Hamas will (and is) screwing things up. That's been overlooked here. Curious omission.

This isn't going anywhere, because Hamas wants sole control of the Palestinians, and will tank any chances no matter what Israel did.

Israel for it's part needs to put a halt on construction for the time being, but with a public statement that if Hamas keeps blowing up people, it will have not only settlements, but Wal-Marts galore, or the equivalent.

 

[OCGuy]

Hamas doesnt want peace, they said again.

Get your head out of your ass.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Nit linked in is today's opening peace talks where Netanyuhu and Abbas agreed to meet again on 9/14 in Egypt this time.

But I do link in an article I found in the NYT's with the thesis, that without some big changes in Israel, peace will be impossible.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...rs/no-chance-of-peace-with-settlements-around

But the three main points made seem to be, Israeli settlers are a deliberate products of the Israeli government, that the USA has failed to frown on that Israeli policy is the main problem in getting to a peace, and that until the USA quits aiding Israel in its settler policy, peace will be impossible to find. And there are some interesting reader comments
after the article.

Haha your bias is so obvious!


If you had to bring it to 3 main points... It will be Israel's security, jerusalem and palestinian land.

Obviously there are more things on the table that are important.


And hamas killing 5 (4 if you don't count the baby in the pregnant woman) and 2 others shot Isn't helping the palestinians in the end cause a need for israel security will mean a stronger israeli military and more security checks.


But lets not forget, hamas thinks the peace talks have already failed

 

[Lemon law]

Lets see if I can get my arms around the Eagle Keeper logic as he says-----------


Quote:
Rashid Khalidi is the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University. He is the author of "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness."
The author of the article is evidence enough.

Seeing that he is from columbia just enforces

SO IN OTHER WORDS THE COLUMBIA PROFESSOR is automatically biased and Eagle Keeper is does not have a biased bone in his body????????????????????????

Therefore EK can safely fail to address the logic of the contention and ignore his own bias.

NICE DEFLECTION BRO but an epic failure of your own logic.

 

[Freshgeardude]

TERRORIZE others after the end of the Holocaust? huh? is that what you said?

You guys are so lost.. you constantly see Israelis as sweet little doves.. who haven't used and been terrorists all the time to their neighbors

When they moved there.. the Jewish Terrorists murdered the first ever peacekeeper sent to the region.. now who wants peace??

Hana you are such an idiot.

When will you give it up Bout the solely known jewish terorists in history. Want to compare that to how many peace keepers, innocent people, and their own (sunni vs shiites Lol) islamic people have killed over the last 100 years?

They hate each other just as much they hate jews. That's why there are suicide bombs every day in countries including pakistan afganistan and iraq (combined)



Secondly to shut this down further that peace keeper was siding with the arabs during a war where the arabs started with Much hate floating around.


Lastly, most jews today dissagree with the tactics used back then. Even with the circumstance. Btw I hear more islamic terrorists speaking out than islamic speaking against it.

 

[Lemon law]

Hamas doesnt want peace, they said again.

Get your head out of your ass.

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That is exactly not the thinking from various news sources who point out that Hamas is somewhat motivated to tell Fatah and Abbas in the West Bank that they too represent the Palestinian people. And therefor Abbas is not the sole representative of the Palestinian people.

Maybe we should ask why Hamas is excluded from peace talks? The USA talked with our enemies in North Vietnam. Why is Israel able to exclude Hamas when they are the democratically elected leadership of Gaza?

If we are to get too a just Mid-east peace, all parties have to agree.

As for Hamas being a terrorist government, sadly Israel is too.

If anything, by renouncing violence, Abbas is the most legitimate of the three.

And as for Hamas, if they choose to veto a just mid-east peace, as a democratically elected government they can become unelected just as fast.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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That is exactly not the thinking from various news sources who point out that Hamas is somewhat motivated to tell Fatah and Abbas in the West Bank that they too represent the Palestinian people. And therefor Abbas is not the sole representative of the Palestinian people.

Maybe we should ask why Hamas is excluded from peace talks? The USA talked with our enemies in North Vietnam. Why is Israel able to exclude Hamas when they are the democratically elected leadership of Gaza?

If we are to get too a just Mid-east peace, all parties have to agree.

As for Hamas being a terrorist government, sadly Israel is too.

If anything, by renouncing violence, Abbas is the most legitimate of the three.

And as for Hamas, if they choose to veto a just mid-east peace, as a democratically elected government they can become unelected just as fast.

Obama doesn't represent all Americans either. Shall we now include Palin in talks?

 

[Lemon law]

Obama doesn't represent all Americans either. Shall we now include Palin in talks?

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More poor logic Hayabusa, yes we should include Sarah Palin in mid-east peace talks when she becomes the democratically elected leader of 50% of the Palestinian people and not before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[woolfe9999]

Lets see if I can get my arms around the Eagle Keeper logic as he says-----------


Quote:
Rashid Khalidi is the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University. He is the author of "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness."
The author of the article is evidence enough.

Seeing that he is from columbia just enforces

SO IN OTHER WORDS THE COLUMBIA PROFESSOR is automatically biased and Eagle Keeper is does not have a biased bone in his body????????????????????????

Therefore EK can safely fail to address the logic of the contention and ignore his own bias.

NICE DEFLECTION BRO but an epic failure of your own logic.

You're right. Eaglekeeper was employing ad hominem reasoning. The real problem with the article is that it lacks substance, reads like a list of standard anti-Isarel/pro-Pal talking points that we can read on any internet discussion board, and generally lacks a lot of evidence to back up its one-sided assertions.

In other words, it reads like one your posts.

- wolf

 

[dahunan]

You're right. Eaglekeeper was employing ad hominem reasoning. The real problem with the article is that it lacks substance, reads like a list of standard anti-Isarel/pro-Pal talking points that we can read on any internet discussion board, and generally lacks a lot of evidence to back up its one-sided assertions.

In other words, it reads like one your posts.

- wolf

you are inundated with western media..

how many reports do you see directly from palestinian territory? oh.. how many again was that?