An End to Hijacking

[308nato]

<< So, if I'm going around sleeping with everyone that I'm not married to, doing drugs, getting drunk off my ass constantly, killing people, stealing, and blowing things up, as long as I call myself a Christian, I'm going to heaven? Wow, that's neat!

Hell, even the KKK calls themselves Christians. They are not. The Taliban and whoever else call themselves Muslim. They are not. If you're going to be a Christian, you have to follow their rules. If you're going to be Muslim, you have to follow their rules. The hijackers were not Muslim, reguardless of whether they considered themselves so in their minds or not. Granted committing a crime doesn't revoke your religion, but something tells me that if you're a true member of that religion in the first place (actually believe what you preach), then you wouldn't be committing crimes like that.

Better analogy... I walk into a computer store and say that I'm a computer god when in fact I'm no better than practically all of the members here. Does that make me a computer god? In your opinion, it would. Hmm... I think I'm going to invest in starting a computer company...

nik >>



The difference is the majority of the Christian community denounces the KKK and similar groups. I just don't see that happening with the Muslim man on the street with anything resembling earnest outrage.

 

[Hammer]

ffmcobalt is just mad because he couldn't fly either

 

[911paramedic]

Would there be cigar service in first class?? :Q

 

[Beau]

<< Kinda makes religion all shallow and everything, now don't it. >>

I'm not gonna argue with that. That is a very accurate description of religion.

The "great" thing about religion is that it is open to interpretation. That's why there are so many versions of religions that follow the bible. That's not the point of this conversation though. The point is who are you to argue with what religion they claimed to be. The claim to be muslim, let them. Who cares? We know that not every Muslim is like that.

Remeber, this was just a joke. If we can't joke about it to help deal with our emotions, then what are we supposed to do?

 

[ThePresence]

<< The difference is the majority of the Christian community denounces the KKK and similar groups. I just don't see that happening with the Muslim man on the street with anything resembling earnest outrage. >>



Good Point.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< The difference is the majority of the Christian community denounces the KKK and similar groups. I just don't see that happening with the Muslim man on the street with anything resembling earnest outrage. >>

Oh, so when the Muslims around the U.S. were denouncing the group and their churches got burned and Muslims beaten (and some killed if I remember correctly) anyway, you just ignore the fact that they were denouncing the terrorist crap in the first place? Nice.

nik

 

[ThePresence]

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<< The difference is the majority of the Christian community denounces the KKK and similar groups. I just don't see that happening with the Muslim man on the street with anything resembling earnest outrage. >>

Oh, so when the Muslims around the U.S. were denouncing the group and their churches got burned and Muslims beaten (and some killed if I remember correctly) anyway, you just ignore the fact that they were denouncing the terrorist crap in the first place? Nice.

nik >>



I dont remember any Muslims getting killed, but I may be wrong. However, the difference is, that the OVERWHELMING Christian community denounces the KKK, while a very small minority of vocal Muslims denounce terrorism.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

So if I walk into a Muslim church and start yelling and jumping around that they should rise up and smash the state, planes into skyscrapers, etc, they're going to sit there and twiddle their thumbs or actually start hyping up with me?

whatever...

 

[GasX]

A catholic priest who buggers children is still a catholic priest. It's called sinning. You can sin and still be a part of the religious group you claim to be a part of.

Hell is filled with religious people...

 

[Nocturnal]

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Whatever >>



LOL

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< A catholic priest who buggers children is still a catholic priest. It's called sinning. You can sin and still be a part of the religious group you claim to be a part of.

Hell is filled with religious people... >>

I made that point earlier.

nik

 

[Pepsei]

nik, i have to disagree with you on this one... i do believe KKK are christians too...

to me, "Christians" is a broad term used to apply to a lot of different denominations and sects....

so southern baptist, , mormons, or er 7th day adventist are Christians yet of different sect because they follow a 'modified' rules.
KKK is the same... except they also have a different rules that they follow.

of course you're free to call KKK not true Christians because you don't practice their belief. that's like people of southern baptists calling mormons un-Christian. but who makes up the label and who can say they can use that label?

like you said, if you walk into a computer store and refer to youself as computer god. well... there you go... you ARE one... even thou you're the only one who's using that label.

so to sum it up... i think once many people starts to refer to a group of people as such and such... it becomes the truth for those people who are employing those labels.

 

[308nato]

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<< The difference is the majority of the Christian community denounces the KKK and similar groups. I just don't see that happening with the Muslim man on the street with anything resembling earnest outrage. >>

Oh, so when the Muslims around the U.S. were denouncing the group and their churches got burned and Muslims beaten (and some killed if I remember correctly) anyway, you just ignore the fact that they were denouncing the terrorist crap in the first place? Nice.

nik >>



Pardon me if I think the "outpouring" of rage by muslims in the US was pathetic at best. The Muslims in the US are'nt really the issue anyway.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Is this intended to make Bill Clinton look BAD??? hahahaha. I figure it makes him look like a friggin Genius.

 

[Beau]

<< Is this intended to make Bill Clinton look BAD??? hahahaha. I figure it makes him look like a friggin Genius. >>



Figures

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< Pardon me if I think the "outpouring" of rage by muslims in the US was pathetic at best. The Muslims in the US are'nt really the issue anyway. >>

So, your standards are the only standards that matter? Hmm...




<< but who makes up the label and who can say they can use that label? >>

Well, the thing is that Mormons, Catholics, Southern Baptists, etc., all change the understandings of the Bible to fit how they wish to live. Reguardless of how hard you try, you'll always percieve religion as what you think it means instead of how it's supposed to be taken at some point. With the Muslims, their religion is very strict. It's been around for quite a long time. Do you see craploads of sects in the Muslim faith like you do in Christianity? No. there are Muslims, and there are those that hide behind it.

nik

 

[ThePresence]

ffmcobalt

I dont know what got you all riled up. It's simple. The overwhelming majority, if not all, of airline hijackers called themselves Muslims, and identify with religion of Islam. You can call them what you want, but the fact remains that thousands of Muslims DO share beliefs with them, as evidenced by all those terrorist schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and by suicide bombers a long way away from there in Israel. Could be they're not interpeting Islam the way it should be (whatever that means), or in the correct way (whatever that means), but the fact remains that there are plenty of Muslims that share their beliefs.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< Could be they're not interpeting Islam the way it should be (whatever that means), or in the correct way (whatever that means)... >>

And that right there is the specific that negates their being a real Muslim.

nik

 

[Pepsei]

right... there are only a few sects of muslims that i've heard.... i still don't know the difference between
sunni and sh!te muslims

then there's malcom X's muslim sect.......

 

[crystal]

<< Could be they're not interpeting Islam the way it should be (whatever that means), or in the correct way (whatever that means)... >>

And that right there is the specific that negates their being a real Muslim.

Anh why is that? What make one's belief is more "real" than another? That is why a discussion of something (i.e. religion for example), people keep fall back to the argument that those other are not "real"... really point out they lack a better argument. Think of it like this, there are people. There are bad people and there are good people. But in the end, they are still people.

 

[ThePresence]

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<< Could be they're not interpeting Islam the way it should be (whatever that means), or in the correct way (whatever that means)... >>

And that right there is the specific that negates their being a real Muslim.

nik >>



I'm confused. You say Islam is one thing, and they say Islam is something else. Why do you assume that you have the correct version? I'll tell you why. Because you believe you do. Guess what, they believe they do also.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Islam is a book. Something that someone wrote. You want in on the hooplah, you follow the rules. When the hooplah calls for peace and the religion is mostly based on it, and you go out around the world killing innocents per some terrorist adjenda, and you're calling yourself a Muslim, I would call you a liar. Simple.

nik