An AMD Mantle users Testing BF4.

Leadbox · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I'm referring to those last two pics...you can see console-ized/whitewashed examples.

Yeah I know, just want a screenshot to compare detail or lack of with a geforce in the mix

HWfreak · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I'm referring to those last two pics...you can see console-ized/whitewashed examples. Here are a couple spots that jump out at me from those screenies:

DX:

Mantle:

A lot of that is dust thats floating around just happens to have risen more in the Mantle shot, you can clearly see its dust, as for the Tree on the right. it looks better in Mantle, it has fuller shrubbery.

OCGuy · Mar 17, 2014

^ No, sorry, that doesn't explain it.

Grooveriding · Mar 17, 2014

Don't feed trolls.

VulgarDisplay · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
^ No, sorry, that doesn't explain it.

You can plainly see it's just dust blowing. Unless all that extra time they took was to artfully place dust clouds to mask lod issues.

Don't be absurd.

OCGuy · Mar 17, 2014

VulgarDisplay said:
You can plainly see it's just dust blowing. Unless all that extra time they took was to artfully place dust clouds to mask lod issues.

You aren't looking through the dust and comparing the actual object details. Its fairly striking. Mantle appears to do exactly what AMD said it would, which is to bring console-style graphics to everyone.

But people can look and make up their own mind, no need to go back and forth.

HWfreak · Mar 17, 2014

This thread was going well until now, differences of opinion are inevitable, no need to get upset by it.

It would be nice to keep it civil.

WebwalkerCZ · Mar 17, 2014

We tested Mantle in BF4 "Siege of Shanghai" (MP64) in terms of frame latecy and the results were quite impressive. The increase in frame rate with less variability and stuttering.

No differences in image quality found

HWfreak · Mar 17, 2014

WebwalkerCZ said:
We tested Mantle in BF4 "Siege of Shanghai" (MP64) in terms of frame latecy and the results were quite impressive. The increase in frame rate with less variability and stuttering.

No differences in image quality found

That confirms on paper the difference i feel, but seeing it on paper...just wow.

Stuka87 · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I'm referring to those last two pics...you can see console-ized/whitewashed examples. Here are a couple spots that jump out at me from those screenies:

DX:

Mantle:

The farthest back tree looks to have been knocked over. the red sign on the left that is towards to edge of the screen has been knocked over.

The central tree looks better in mantle IMHO. The grate on the right has dust floating over it (as do other things). The detail looks fine outside of the brown hue caused by the dust.

I play a lot, and have not seen any real issues. I did adjust the gamma a bit as Mantle is a bit brighter. Adjusting the gamma resolved that issue.

Jodell88 · Mar 17, 2014

The biggest difference between the last comparison images HWFreak showed is that the Mantle version is missing geometry such as the street lights.

Now unless those are some ridiculously high poly models, poorly coded shaders or something, it should not really factor into the performance difference.

OCGuy · Mar 17, 2014

Jodell88 said:
The biggest difference between the last comparison images HWFreak showed is that the Mantle version is missing geometry such as the street lights.

I didn't even mention that because someone would say "oh they were knocked over." I actually went in an knocked them over on my comp, and they do not match the Mantle screenie.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

PPB · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I didn't even mention that because someone would say "oh they were knocked over." I actually went in an knocked them over on my comp, and they do not match the Mantle screenie.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Bring over the SCs where they are not the same, till then...

Since you have to re-enter the server for applying the API rendering change in BF4, a lot of stuff can happen. That's why I tend to search for servers that arent really full (but ideally +50 playes) so I assure myself of being able to quickly rejoin, and in a moment when the fight is being taken to somewhere else I'm staying to take SCs.

I can confirm those results because I pretty much play the game on lowest settings for GPU, but with mesh quality on ultra (most CPU demanding setting). Imagine what would be mantle like on a MMO if we can get such nice results out of a shooter game.

I do not recommend taking SCs and comparing results on different servers. On some servers (non-dedicated servers or dedicated servers with lackuster hardware), client performance can be hindered by bad server performance. In crappy servers I have moments when my fps halves for a set period of time, and when you ask everybody else on the server they seem to suffer the same thing. You can tell a server is bad because of horrid FPS drops during levolution (Hainan Resort's being the worst of all, perf wise).

Skurge · Mar 17, 2014

Mantle is much smoother than DX. I keep trying to bench the game and post here, but then I have too much fun enjoying the game and get carried away. Can't imagine ever going back to DX. I maintain a MINIMUM of 90fps and it sticks around 120-140 on most maps. Game looks the same to me. Mantle is a little brighter. I play bf4 more than anything else and I'm glad I got the 290.

cytg111 · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I'm referring to those last two pics...you can see console-ized/whitewashed examples. Here are a couple spots that jump out at me from those screenies:

DX:

Mantle:

Also, someone is home with the light on in the mantle pic.. In the dx, elvis has left the building.

ASM-coder · Mar 17, 2014

Silverforce11 said:
We'll have to see.. but pick from these:

1. EA finally learnt their lesson... (LOL SIF!)

2. Its utterly broken, not buggy, but broken and not even close to ready.

EA ships buggy stuff and polish it later via patches. But I haven't seen them ship completely broken stuff before.

I believe the mantle patch for Thief comes out tomorrow(March 18.)

Paul98 · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I'm referring to those last two pics...you can see console-ized/whitewashed examples. Here are a couple spots that jump out at me from those screenies:

DX:

Mantle:

The differences are due to things being blown up, knocked down, such as the trees, and stop lights, windows broken, smoke. Those trees only look larger on mantle because there are two trees in the DX version one there are ones knocked down.

These maps are dynamic, if you want an accurate comparison you need to go to an empty server and test one right after another without blowing anything up. There is also fog, and dust that comes and goes that you need to watch for.

OCGuy · Mar 17, 2014

Paul98 said:
These maps are dynamic, if you want an accurate comparison you need to go to an empty server and test one right after another without blowing anything up.

I agree. BF4 seems to be the only game where it is common to see people attempt to do scientific testing using a method that you cannot control.

ASM-coder · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Are you suggesting that mantle leaves things out at similar settings, or that the tests were not done with the exact same settings?

OCGuy · Mar 17, 2014

ASM-coder said:
Are you suggesting that mantle leaves things out at similar settings, or that the tests were not done with the exact same settings?

I'm saying Mantle is not identical to DX as far as IQ. It is up to the end user as far as the differences.

http://forum.hardwarepal.com/battlefield-4-mantle-vs-directx-image-quality-comparison/

ASM-coder · Mar 17, 2014

OCGuy said:
I'm saying Mantle is not identical to DX as far as IQ. It is up to the end user as far as the differences.

http://forum.hardwarepal.com/battlefield-4-mantle-vs-directx-image-quality-comparison/

These comparisons were done with 14.1, which had known issues.

cytg111 · Mar 17, 2014

Nice comparison .. Mantle is way brighter, still seems to be missing a few things, like trees that should still be visible in the horizon.. But again, if it *was* the case, you'd have trees popping up out of nowhere when you'd move towards them, cause if the tree is there its there, no matter what driver you be running... I hope! - Otherwise i'd have to give the competetive edge to AMD - "So you think you are hiding behind a tree, do you, nvidia boy.. Gzam! - there is no tree(tm)"

Paul98 · Mar 17, 2014

cytg111 said:
Nice comparison .. Mantle is way brighter, still seems to be missing a few things, like trees that should still be visible in the horizon.. But again, if it *was* the case, you'd have trees popping up out of nowhere when you'd move towards them, cause if the tree is there its there, no matter what driver you be running... I hope! - Otherwise i'd have to give the competetive edge to AMD - "So you think you are hiding behind a tree, do you, nvidia boy.. Gzam! - there is no tree(tm)"

Old shot, it's been corrected

Just more bad old information spread

Paul98 · Mar 17, 2014

ASM-coder said:
These comparisons were done with 14.1, which had known issues.

It's not 14.1 that was the problem it was BF4, but it has been patched a bit ago which fixed that problem.

CropDuster · Mar 17, 2014

Is the bug with terrain decoration still present? It changed the quality every time you started the game despite the setting remaining the same...

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