Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[TitusTroy]

so the Founders Edition cards really are the best binned?...I thought that was just a rumor in regards to previous generations like Turing?...performance is also better then AIB cards?...if so then I might try and snag a Founders 3080

 

[Panino Manino]

Is this serious?
All those new RT cores may be bottlenecked by the cache?
Makes me think about these recent rumors about RDNA2 having a LOT of cache. (and that an Ampere Refresh with more cache may hit hard...)

 

[traderjay]

How are they pre-ordering cards on ebay? Like paying a price for a promised future delivery?

 

[Hitman928]

How are they pre-ordering cards on ebay? Like paying a price for a promised future delivery?

You are basically paying for someone else to secure a purchase from an actual retailer for you.

ALL ORDER WILL SHIP WITHIN 5-8 BUSINESS DAYS FROM BEST BUY RELEASE DATE Sept 17th

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDRR6X 320-Bit Founders Edition PRE-ORDER | eBay

<p>This is a pre-order for the NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3080 Founders edition</p><br><p>ALL ORDER WILL SHIP WITHIN 5-8 BUSINESS DAYS FROM BEST BUY RELEASE DATE Sept 17th</p><br><p>I always try to ship quicker and often do. I ask for the maximum of 10 business days just given the current circumstances...

www.ebay.com

 

[traderjay]

You are basically paying for someone else to secure a purchase from an actual retailer for you.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDRR6X 320-Bit Founders Edition PRE-ORDER | eBay

<p>This is a pre-order for the NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3080 Founders edition</p><br><p>ALL ORDER WILL SHIP WITHIN 5-8 BUSINESS DAYS FROM BEST BUY RELEASE DATE Sept 17th</p><br><p>I always try to ship quicker and often do. I ask for the maximum of 10 business days just given the current circumstances...

www.ebay.com

LOL this is nuts

 

[sze5003]

You are basically paying for someone else to secure a purchase from an actual retailer for you.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDRR6X 320-Bit Founders Edition PRE-ORDER | eBay

<p>This is a pre-order for the NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3080 Founders edition</p><br><p>ALL ORDER WILL SHIP WITHIN 5-8 BUSINESS DAYS FROM BEST BUY RELEASE DATE Sept 17th</p><br><p>I always try to ship quicker and often do. I ask for the maximum of 10 business days just given the current circumstances...

www.ebay.com

How is that legal? Is there a guarantee that this person on ebay will absolutely get one? Must be a retailer expecting stock.

 

[Hitman928]

How is that legal? Is there a guarantee that this person on ebay will absolutely get one? Must be a retailer expecting stock.

People do it all the time with new launches now. Most sellers I've seen promise a full refund if they can't secure a card for you, but it can get messy with when the seller is actually able to secure the card and what the language they used in the listing for expected delivery dates and such. In these situations, if on launch day you can go to an actual store and buy a card, you can usually list the card for an even higher price than the pre-order sellers because you have the card in hand. It really got crazy during the mining boom but has continued at and around launch as well due to demand at launch greatly overwhelming available supply.

 

[MrTeal]

People do it all the time with new launches now. Most sellers I've seen promise a full refund if they can't secure a card for you, but it can get messy with when the seller is actually able to secure the card and what the language they used in the listing for expected delivery dates and such. In these situations, if on launch day you can go to an actual store and buy a card, you can usually list the card for an even higher price than the pre-order sellers because you have the card in hand. It really got crazy during the mining boom but has continued at and around launch as well due to demand at launch greatly overwhelming available supply.

If they promise a refund if they can't secure a card for you, it's zero downside for them. Either they nab one and sell it to you for a quick $400, or they don't and oh well.
You'd have to be nuts as a buyer to agree to that, especially from some rando 7 feedback account.

 

[Hitman928]

If they promise a refund if they can't secure a card for you, it's zero downside for them. Either they nab one and sell it to you for a quick $400, or they don't and oh well.
You'd have to be nuts as a buyer to agree to that, especially from some rando 7 feedback account.

Yeah, the risk is really on the buyer here, not the seller although the seller is out the listing fee I believe. I don't know, haven't used Ebay as a seller in a long time.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Although not necessarily in this case, but I can see electronics store employees (like a Microcenter Rep) being able to get away with buying one or two cards from the initial shipment right away and flipping them.

 

[sze5003]

I'm expecting people to go to microcenter on release and line up to try and get a card. Most that get one may definitely want to sell it on eBay for higher profit. I see this happening with the price gauging based on the supply.

Although selling on ebay itself has become a cesspool. Every time I've tried to sell a high price item on there I have had to wait a week and relist it several times. Those who won are usually scammers or never intend on paying.

 

[Ajay]

Has Nvidia put out an architecture paper for Gaming Ampere yet? I couldn't find anything in a search (except a couple of lame 'deep dives' by gaming sites).

 

[FatherMurphy]

Has Nvidia put out an architecture paper for Gaming Ampere yet? I couldn't find anything in a search (except a couple of lame 'deep dives' by gaming sites).

I don't think so (I haven't found one). Ryan Smith said he was going to post his deep dive several days ago but the Oregon fires (coupled with testing for the 3080 review) might be setting him back. Hopefully his deep drive will be included in the 3080 review on Wednesday.

 

[Markfw]

I don't think so (I haven't found one). Ryan Smith said he was going to post his deep dive several days ago but the Oregon fires (coupled with testing for the 3080 review) might be setting him back. Hopefully his deep drive will be included in the 3080 review on Wednesday.

Does Ryan live in Oregon ?? If so, where ?

 

[Aikouka]

I've grown a bit more curious about how well the Founder's Edition cooler performs. The 3080 and 3090 use what's almost like a tower cooler slapped on the back in conjunction with that front fan. Another user mentioned Best Buy adding Gigabyte's cards to their list of products, and it's an interesting comparison in regard to coolers. In comparison to Nvidia's FE cooler, Gigabyte's model just uses what appears to be a fairly standard three-fan setup but with a rather large/long heatsink.

How is that legal? Is there a guarantee that this person on ebay will absolutely get one? Must be a retailer expecting stock.

What about that script that people were using to nab Nintendo Switches as soon as they came in stock? Couldn't they just set that up to guarantee however many units they needed of each type?

 

[FatherMurphy]

Does Ryan live in Oregon ?? If so, where ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1303775507645829121

I saw that Ryan posted this on Twitter the other day.

 

[Markfw]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1303775507645829121

I saw that Ryan posted this on Twitter the other day.

He is within minutes of where I live ! The smoke at my house is the same as he has, and is he is in any way affected by the Santiam fire, then he is VERY close to where I live (suburb of Portland)

 

[FatherMurphy]

He is within minutes of where I live !

Well, then I hope you are safe from the fires as well!

 

[Markfw]

Well, then I hope you are safe from the fires as well!

I am not in zone 1,2 or 3, my brother is in zone 3, but went back home as things calmed down. Supposed to rain soon, and thats supposed to help a lot.

Oh, and my brother is impacted by the Santiam fire.

 

[Ajay]

I don't think so (I haven't found one). Ryan Smith said he was going to post his deep dive several days ago but the Oregon fires (coupled with testing for the 3080 review) might be setting him back. Hopefully his deep drive will be included in the 3080 review on Wednesday.

Thanks, was waiting on Ryan as well.

 

[mohit9206]

 

[jpiniero]

^^^^

Adored being Adored. We've gone over why nVidia used SS8.

 

[mohit9206]

^^^^

Adored being Adored. We've gone over why nVidia used SS8.

Can you tell me why in brief please.

 

[jpiniero]

Can you tell me why in brief please.

They wanted to use SS7 EUV, but yields weren't good enough. Presumably they just took the SS8 design that is being used for GA107/GA108 and scaled it up, rather than say porting it to TSMC which would mean next year.

 

[Stuka87]

Can you tell me why in brief please.

They wanted to use SS7 EUV, but yields weren't good enough. Presumably they just took the SS8 design that is being used for GA107/GA108 and scaled it up, rather than say porting it to TSMC which would mean next year.

More so than that, they wanted better pricing from TSMC, so started going with Samsung to try and get TSMC to keep nVidia's business at a lower cost to nVidia. TSMC said "nope". Which left nVidia stuck with Samsung. They did manage to get enough 7nm capacity (at full price) for A100. But the consumer cards all ended up on Samsung. But I don't think they ever intended to use 7EUV, as I don't think its compatible with 8nm process they ended up with (Which is a modified 10nm process).