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Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

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HurleyBird

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It was bad for nV. Perf/mm² difference was insane. They had to cut prices almost nearly in half in some cases.
Terrascale was the most frustrating instance of AMD shooting themselves in the foot. They had a massive technological advantage and used that to... only produce small chips so as to surrender the performance crown to Nvidia.

And they bragged non-stop about how awesome their "sweet spot" strategy was. It wasn't. AMD could have had a G80 or R300 moment if they hadn't totally squandered it.
 

CakeMonster

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If this generation lasts the same 2 years as the last one, NVidia will need to have gaps available to be filled in 1 year. Do not count on getting your "Ti" with 20Gb in 3-6 months... That would be a gamble. AMD is the only factor that could make that happen IMO.

But also remember that before Turing no flagship big chip lasted 2 years. The next year there was a smaller and faster chip avaible beating it with the usual 25ish %. The 980 was an upgrade from the 780Ti, and the 1080 was an upgrade from the 980Ti. That is also possible this time around, even if it didn't happen with Turing in 2019.

The ugly truth is that some cards, particularly the obscenely priced 3090 will be a better deal WRT value over time if it is the performance king for 2 whole years (like the 2080Ti). And the 3080 will also be good value with enjoyment spread out over 2 years if a Ti/20Gb doesn't appear in another 12 months.
 
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Helis4life

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Yeah I have a feeling that although the 3090 is super expensive for the performance, it will hold its value as I do not think that AMD will be able to match it until maybe RDNA 4. By then Nvidia will already have a 4080 beating the 3090 for $800.
I think this is probably a stretch, rdna4, when by all accounts they have a GPU in the wings that can match if not beat the 3080 right now.

Not to mention rdna3 out next year possibly on the 5nm
 
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maddie

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Yeah I have a feeling that although the 3090 is super expensive for the performance, it will hold its value as I do not think that AMD will be able to match it until maybe RDNA 4. By then Nvidia will already have a 4080 beating the 3090 for $800.
Hold its value? Ever tried for comedy writing?
 
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A///

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ATI/AMD came out of the blue with a 800sp, 250mm² 55nm GPU, RV770.

Paired with GDDR3, it was the 4850 and it destroyed G92 based cards, 324mm² big, 65nm. Paired with GDDR5 (first!) it was the 4870 and it performed the same or better than the GT200 flagships... that chip was 576mm² big, 65nm. Both AMD cards were cheaper, $/perf was awesome.

It was bad for nV. Perf/mm² difference was insane. They had to cut prices almost nearly in half in some cases.
I remember the latter part of your post. I don't quite remember the earlier days. Though G92 was a mere refresh of Tesla. Not too impressive, but it did set ATI/AMD up for some wins in the coming years after that, IIRC.

Before the whole digital coin period, whenever AMD/ATI scored a homer, it was next to impossible to find a card. You could be on a listen of hundreds if not thousands for a particular chain of stores before you were offered dibs to purchase a card at MSRP. It was nuts.
 

linkgoron

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Yeah I have a feeling that although the 3090 is super expensive for the performance, it will hold its value as I do not think that AMD will be able to match it until maybe RDNA 4. By then Nvidia will already have a 4080 beating the 3090 for $800.
The only reason a 3090 would hold its value over a 3080 would be memory size. It's more than double the price, for at most 25% more performance. I don't see how it's possible that it will hold its value. I also don't doubt that we will see a 3080S or 3080ti with 20GB.

Either way, I disagree with you that AMD has to "match" the 3090 for it to lose its value. If AMD can deliver a 3080 level card with 16GB memory and decent pricing, that will probably be enough. That was enough with the 4870 12 years ago (which was already mentioned), and I believe that it would be enough today.
 

jpiniero

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If this generation lasts the same 2 years as the last one, NVidia will need to have gaps available to be filled in 1 year. Do not count on getting your "Ti" with 20Gb in 3-6 months... That would be a gamble. AMD is the only factor that could make that happen IMO.
Oh a 3080 with 20 GB is happening soon for sure. After Big Navi's release.
 
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eek2121

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Sad, benchmarks continue to leak out. Most show that the 3080 is around 25-35% faster than the 2080ti. The price is great for sure, but oh man do I hate being right...

I actually can’t wait to see some RT benchmarks.

Also, according to videocardz, apparently the TDP got raised to 370W? does anyone know anything about this?
 

Saylick

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Sad, benchmarks continue to leak out. Most show that the 3080 is around 25-35% faster than the 2080ti. The price is great for sure, but oh man do I hate being right...

I actually can’t wait to see some RT benchmarks.

Also, according to videocardz, apparently the TDP got raised to 370W? does anyone know anything about this?
Default TDP is still 320W I believe, but the FE cards (left) support a higher power limit (370W) than the reference 3080 cards (right, 350W), so in theory the FE cards boost higher.
 
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Zstream

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Well I’m disappointed. Two years and this? Need something else to lure people like me back in. RT definitely isn’t it (at this point). Give me better world environment impact or something. :(
 

eek2121

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Default TDP is still 320W I believe, but the FE cards (left) support a higher power limit (370W) than the reference 3080 cards (right, 350W), so in theory the FE cards boost higher.
Yeah I was confused by this, from the article:

"Also, Gigabyte is not yet ready with AORUS branded models. These are all fully custom designs with higher TDP, but for now, it seems that the best choice in terms of power limitations is Founders Edition with a TDP at 370W"

Note that I respect WhyCry, he is very clear about things (unlike other sites...*cough* WCCFTech, Tweaktown, etc..*cough*) That being said, that is the first report I've seen of a 370W TDP.
 

A///

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To be fair, the first site on your list has always been a pile of stinking poo. Even before their front facing blog/newsstand. TT has the rare decent hot post. "Love and respected" is a pile of crap, too.
 

Accord99

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The only reason a 3090 would hold its value over a 3080 would be memory size. It's more than double the price, for at most 25% more performance. I don't see how it's possible that it will hold its value. I also don't doubt that we will see a 3080S or 3080ti with 20GB.
The 2080 Ti kept its value pretty well, till the launch of the 3000 series, as it was never challenged as the top-performing consumer graphics card, and it was rarely discounted at retail in any significant way.
 

linkgoron

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The 2080 Ti kept its value pretty well, till the launch of the 3000 series, as it was never challenged as the top-performing consumer graphics card, and it was rarely discounted at retail in any significant way.
It's not the same situation. The 2080ti was $1000 ($1200FE), while the 2080 was $700 ($800FE) which itself was also barely an upgrade to the 1080ti (10%). Now the 3090 is $1500 while the 3080 is $700 with (according to leaks) a somewhat smaller difference between them. In addition the 3080 is actually an upgrade to the previous generation, ~30% (according to leaks) faster than the 2080ti (so it's probably ~45% faster than the 1080ti).
 

Mopetar

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I think the price gaps are also going to be filled in by the third party manufacturers with alternative cooling and factory overclocked solutions.

While AMD does have a lot of leeway or room to work in those gaps as well, they seemed a lot more interested in pushing their cards to be inline with what NVidia was charging than trying to exploit any gaps. Of course there weren't as many since they had time to get most of their stack out before AMD even had the 5700 out the door.
 

french toast

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I expect that AMD will have something comparable with the 3080 performance wise with 16gb memory, for around the same price.
There is no point in them going cheaper as they will sell out quickly regardless, they just won't have the volume to cut prices, stores will put up the prices and take the profit.
AMD won't try to compete with the 3090, or even a potential 3080ti/Super, they don't really need to.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Wonder if AMD will be using 2gb or 1gb chips on their initial RDNA2 launch. If it's 1gb, I can see AMD or a partner going full frontal with 32gb of ram just for the sake of having a bigger number than NV on the Ram front.

Can potentially put a dent in the 3090 valuation among the more money than sense crowd.
 

Kenmitch

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Scalpers are already selling pre-order Ampere cards on eBay for crazy inflated prices. I'd imagine their success will only encourage others to join in.
 

Markfw

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Scalpers are already selling pre-order Ampere cards on eBay for crazy inflated prices. I'd imagine their success will only encourage others to join in.
All I see is $1700. That could be real once released. (3090). I do see high prices for 3080. Its odd the 3090's don't say pre-order like the 3080s
 

DooKey

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Scalpers are already selling pre-order Ampere cards on eBay for crazy inflated prices. I'd imagine their success will only encourage others to join in.
Nvidia and AMD both have this issue with scalpers. It's the way of the world now. Nothing they can really do about it.
 

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