Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[jpiniero]

Videocardz got a hold of an Asus PR about their cards, says "up to 1.9X performance-per-watt over the previous generation". Not sure I buy that, maybe close in RT?

 

[NTMBK]

Nearly 400w dumped in the case is big trouble. Might be the generation where reference card is smarter choice than 3rd party.

IF NV cooling is exhausting large percentage of the heat via backplate, and does so at reasonable noise levels i don't really care about power as long as performance lead is there.

What i am worried is 3rd party cards, that are "cool" by virtue of having 3 large fans and massive heatsinks, but dump 100% of heat in the case...

Time to break out the old Fermi memes...

 

[tviceman]

I'm predicting the cards will have an "eco" mode that dial down the clocks by 10% and the TDP by 20-25%

 

[coercitiv]

I'm predicting the cards will have an "eco" mode that dial down the clocks by 10% and the TDP by 20-25%

Responsible performance mode.

 

[n0x1ous]

Responsible performance mode.

responsible and irresponsible BIOS toggle

 

[Glo.]

I'm predicting the cards will have an "eco" mode that dial down the clocks by 10% and the TDP by 20-25%

You mean - they can go to Idle?

😛

 

[maddie]

Videocardz got a hold of an Asus PR about their cards, says "up to 1.9X performance-per-watt over the previous generation". Not sure I buy that, maybe close in RT?

Then we have the biggest performance jump since the early days.

 

[kurosaki]

Then we have the biggest performance jump since the early days.

Yes, upping the performance per watt with 1.9x AND adding 100W might give us a good ride. Sounds too good to be true though.

 

[linkgoron]

Then we have the biggest performance jump since the early days.

I believe that the 1.9 has been already mentioned previously in this thread, as 1.9 with RTX and DLSS.

 

[ozzy702]

Yes, upping the performance per watt with 1.9x AND adding 100W might give us a good ride. Sounds too good to be true though.

Agreed. It has to be 1.9x in some very specific situation like RT or DLSS. Outside of that I'd be happy with a 50% bump across the stack. We'll see...

 

[kurosaki]

I believe that the 1.9 has been already mentioned previously in this thread, as 1.9 with RTX and DLSS.

I'm a bit saddened. "With DLSS" dosent tell us anything useful. Are they upscaling from 540p? of course they could show figures like this then. I feel they have found a loophole to circumvent the need to tell us in which resolution they are measuring things. Hope that Ian can poke a bit in this issue in an upcoming review.

 

[DXDiag]

Prepare to be blown away, that's all I have to say right now 😉

 

[Stuka87]

The 1.9x will most likely be with RT and DLSS, with a frame cap of 60fps. Under those conditions using less power is pretty easy.

 

[kurosaki]

Prepare to be blown away, that's all I have to say right now 😉

By three 6000RPM-fans doing their best to keep temps below 100C.. 😉

 

[MrTeal]

By three 6000RPM-fans doing their best to keep temps below 100C.. 😉

Only nvidia has exclusive Geforce Hover Mode.

 

[DXDiag]

The 1.9x will most likely be with RT and DLSS, with a frame cap of 60fps. Under those conditions using less power is pretty easy.

I really feel sad for you and the others, months of negative publicity on Ampere, downplaying every aspect of it based on false rumors, only to see it all crumbling down in the last few hours, at least try to have some tehcnical dignity and wait for the final reveal before spewing nonsense.

 

[exquisitechar]

I have a feeling we'll need to wait for reviews to get the actual performance of these cards, the perf/watt comparison with RT/DLSS is convincing me of that. Looking forward to seeing the pricing.

 

[DXDiag]

Agreed. It has to be 1.9x in some very specific situation like RT or DLSS.

Nope.

 

[Glo.]

Oh boy, it will be interesting 😀

 

[Thala]

You just posted about how there is no loss in quality. Somebody posts loss of quality, and you say people should ignore that?

Of course i meant overall image quality and not a single scene - because it goes both ways. For some pictures/scenes DLSS2.0 has advantages for other TAA. Most reviewers consider consider both on even level image quality wise. In the particular case, the review where the unfavorable example for DLSS2.0 was taken from has many more samples where DLSS2.0 edges out TAA - but of course these were not posted to make a point.
However thing is, DLSS2.0 is leaps and bounds faster than TAA.

 

[Gideon]

Nope.

So you're claiming 1.9x power efficiency gain, with 100W TDP increase leading to 2.6x the perfomance (in scenarios with no DLSS nor Raytracing). Can i quote you on that?

 

[Qwertilot]

So you're claiming 1.9x power efficiency gain, with 100W TDP increase leading to 2.6x the perfomance (in scenarios with no DLSS nor Raytracing). Can i quote you on that?

I would think it would be reasonably fair to at least 'give' them raytracing? There really won't be that much point in these insanely big cards unless you're doing that.

 

[Konan]

Bit vague, assuming meaning overall

https://twitter.com/x/status/1300707587403296768

 

[DooKey]

Bit vague, assuming meaning overall

https://twitter.com/x/status/1300707587403296768

I'll let the reviews be the judge of that.

 

[maddie]

Bit vague, assuming meaning overall

https://twitter.com/x/status/1300707587403296768

Seeing that these performance target decisions were made years ago, I have to wonder why they would they change strategy so radically from the past several years, which have been very beneficial financially for them.

Very strange.