Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[Midwayman]

If they are saying 10-15% you know real world is probably far closer to 10 than 15.

 

[Karnak]

GeForce RTX 3080 sees increasing reports of crashes in games - VideoCardz.com

An increasing number of users are reporting the crash to desktop (CTD) issues with factory-overclocked NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 graphics cards. The issues were reported on various forums and social media platforms. Users are reporting a crash to desktop issues with custom GeForce RTX 3080 models...

videocardz.com

Doesn't look as serious as the memory problem with the 2080Ti back then but still not great. Rushed launch overall IMO. Same will probably happen to the 3090 if it's a common problem with the 3080.

 

[DooKey]

GeForce RTX 3080 sees increasing reports of crashes in games - VideoCardz.com

An increasing number of users are reporting the crash to desktop (CTD) issues with factory-overclocked NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 graphics cards. The issues were reported on various forums and social media platforms. Users are reporting a crash to desktop issues with custom GeForce RTX 3080 models...

videocardz.com

Doesn't look as serious as the memory problem with the 2080Ti back then but still not great. Rushed launch overall IMO. Same will probably happen to the 3090 if it's a common problem with the 3080.

So far I've only seen the overboost issue as it relates to Zotac and MSI. With both it's their bottom dweller versions. Sounds like they screwed the pooch.

 

[blckgrffn]

So far I've only seen the overboost issue as it relates to Zotac and MSI. With both it's their bottom dweller versions. Sounds like they screwed the pooch.

With these TDPs cards that aren't built well aren't likely to last long. I expect they'll be a little more sensitive to power delivery and quality than much more modest cards as well.

But even at "only" $700+tax ( ) I think anyone would reasonably expect their card to be exceptionally well built.

I honestly hope this is just a launch card thing and everyone gets their s straight. RMA'ing expensive hardware to get what is likely someone else's "repaired" card sucks big time.

 

[Kenmitch]

So far I've only seen the overboost issue as it relates to Zotac and MSI. With both it's their bottom dweller versions. Sounds like they screwed the pooch.

In the Nvidia forum there is the mention of Gigabyte, Zotac, Asus and EVGA cards suffering from the same issue.

I've been having the same exact issue! And after searching various forums and sites, It's such an odd issue for so many cards of different brands to have the same exact issue. Like i'd understand if this was an MSI issue, But to see Gigabyte, Zotac, Asus and EVGA cards suffer the same issue?

 

[VirtualLarry]

With these TDPs cards that aren't built well aren't likely to last long. I expect they'll be a little more sensitive to power delivery and quality than much more modest cards as well.

But even at "only" $700+tax ( ) I think anyone would reasonably expect their card to be exceptionally well built.

I honestly hope this is just a launch card thing and everyone gets their s straight. RMA'ing expensive hardware to get what is likely someone else's "repaired" card sucks big time.

Heck, Polaris @ $150 was over-built on most cards, both cooling and VRMs.

 

[sze5003]

Seems the 3090 sold out at 8:57am lol before it even was supposed to go live. I never saw the add to cart button and Nvidia's site. Their check for availability button took you to their UK website.

GeForce RTX 3090, A “BFGPU” For Creators, Researchers and Extreme Gamers, Launches Thursday

Enables extreme gamers to play at 8K, and creators to explore a new world of cinematics.

www.nvidia.com

 

[Kenmitch]

Seems the 3090 sold out at 8:57am lol before it even was supposed to go live. I never saw the add to cart button and Nvidia's site. Their check for availability button took you to their UK website.

Pent up demand strikes again! /s

Rarer then the 3080's based on my unscientific study.

Microcenter CA's availability at launch. Most likely the heaviest stocked one.
3080's total 85 units....No FE's
3090's total 18 units....No FE's

 

[CakeMonster]

Its going to be very interesting to see how the "base" 3090 hold up against the most beefed up versions of the 3080. They could surpass it depending on what is the bottlenecking factor on the 3090.

 

[sze5003]

I'm going to keep any eye on YouTube as more of the 3090 reviews and critiques will be there. Not much else to do now other than wait for that 20gb 3080.

 

[Kuiva maa]

The 3090 reviews have sealed the deal for me. Either 3080 20GB AIB or Big Navi.

 

[blckgrffn]

So I sorta thought I'd see the Anandtech article this morning. That's the type of review that I get the most out of - I am not much for watching videos. I'll keep refreshing...

 

[Stuka87]

So I sorta thought I'd see the Anandtech article this morning. That's the type of review that I get the most out of - I am not much for watching videos. I'll keep refreshing...

Ryan lives in Oregon near the giant fires. But since nobody can buy the cards anyway, them being late should not matter too much.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Ryan lives in Oregon near the giant fires. But since nobody can buy the cards anyway, them being late should not matter too much.

- Lets hope the review actually shows up. I suspect we might end up with a big Ampere review ball around the 3070 launch, as that's the last stop for a big review before everyone stops caring and moves on.

Now the game is really interesting. 3090 is about 50% faster than 2080ti, which is itself about 50% faster than a 5700XT.

If (and it is a big IF) AMD is able to double the 5700XT performance with Big Navi, consumers might actually have a choice in the high end market for the first time in years.

 

[blckgrffn]

Ryan lives in Oregon near the giant fires. But since nobody can buy the cards anyway, them being late should not matter too much.

Yikes. Giant fires are terrible. It's really sad to read any of that news.

Anyway, I guess I should have asked it in the review thread, which has been well tended.

That said, @GodisanAtheist a review roll up at this point seems like it would make the most sense as it would allow them to draw more interesting conclusions and yeah, it'll still be right on time for the vast majority of 3080/3090 shoppers.

 

[ModEl4]

Does anyone heard anything about the lower tier ampere cards? The logical thing is a $349 3060 (cut down GA104, just 20% performance difference compared to a 2080Ti) but i am interested more in the GTX1060 range, i would assume a 232mm2 10.2B transistors design (3072 cuda cores) with performance around 2060 at $219, but if true will it will be released this year? Regarding the AMD camp, Anandtech reported before 9 months that Navi will be refreshed along with new RDNA2 designs both in 2020, but surely Navi 10 cannot be refreshed, what is the point of a +5% performance for the refreshed 5700XT/5700/5600XT models, even if AMD SRPs are $299/259/219 in my opinion they don't represent good value in relation with what are my Nvidia speculations. Also yesterday's Tom's Hardware reported about a possible 40CU RDNA2 design (Navi Flounders), so another reason not to expect the Navi 10 to be refreshed (because the high end refreshed Navi 10 would be to close (-10%?) with a cut down 36CU RDNA2 model) but also what is the reason to refresh Navi 14? (The 4GB model was at same performance level with a GTX 1650 super, it was $10 higher, +30W more power hungry, and had more issues with memory hungry games) Anyway, in the below $349 market sadly AMD doesn't seem to have anything competitive as far as I can tell, although I would love to be proven wrong by AMD!

 

[Mopetar]

Simple no, from the start NAVI 10 was a direct competitor to the TU106 and RX5700XT was a direct competitor to the RTX2070 that was replaced with the RTX2060 Super.
AMD never released a RTX2070 Super (TU104) competing graphics card, just because RX5700XT can reach close to same Raster performance in the latest games, it doesnt mean that those two cards are at the same segment.

I forgot to link to the video in question, but it doesn't matter what was intended or planend for it to compete against. It only matters what is. Here's the overall results from the 14 game benchmark from the recent Hardware Unboxed video:

The performance for the 5700 XT and 2070 SUPER is practically identical for 1080p and 1440p. The 2060 SUPER is considerably behind.

Even if we attribute some of that gain to better drivers from AMD, even the initial benchmarks (see AT's article) put the 5700XT 11% above the 2060 SUPER and 5% below the 2070 SUPER. I'm not even sure what your argument is supposed to be because for $100 less you can get the same performance on average and much better in specific titles if you only care about particular games.

The 5700XT competes against the 2070 SUPER in reality. What possible or tortured definition are you attempting to use for the word to suggest that the 5700XT isn't a direct competitor against the 2070 SUPER?

 

[AtenRa]

I forgot to link to the video in question, but it doesn't matter what was intended or planend for it to compete against. It only matters what is. Here's the overall results from the 14 game benchmark from the recent Hardware Unboxed video:

The performance for the 5700 XT and 2070 SUPER is practically identical for 1080p and 1440p. The 2060 SUPER is considerably behind.

Even if we attribute some of that gain to better drivers from AMD, even the initial benchmarks (see AT's article) put the 5700XT 11% above the 2060 SUPER and 5% below the 2070 SUPER. I'm not even sure what your argument is supposed to be because for $100 less you can get the same performance on average and much better in specific titles if you only care about particular games.

The 5700XT competes against the 2070 SUPER in reality. What possible or tortured definition are you attempting to use for the word to suggest that the 5700XT isn't a direct competitor against the 2070 SUPER?

There are two different things here,

What you are saying is that the RX5700XT can compete in Raster performance with the RTX2070 Super at $100 less in the latest games. Thats fine I havent disputed this one.

The other thing that im talking about is the Product market slot , where the RX5700XT was originally put in the Graphics Card market when released.
AMD wanted to compete in the $300-$400 TAM against the TU106 (RTX2060 and RTX2070 at the time). NAVI 10 was designed at 250mm2 just so to be able to slot in that segment.
That is why they attacked the RTX2070 that had a MSRP of $499 and made NVIDIA to release the RTX 2060 Super at $399 so they could compete against the RX5700XT at the same price.

Now if you say that RX5700XT is RTX2070 Super competitor, then you take a very small die Card and put it against a must better product both in Performance and Features. The result is that the majority of people will spend $100 more for more features (RTX) and same Raster performance when one product has NVIDIA in the name.

This is not what AMD originally wanted from RX5700XT, they wanted to compete against the RTX2070/2060 Super , because the RX5700XT have much better Raster performance at the same price. Not same performance at lower price.

So to sum up, you are talking about performance competition and Im talking about Product segment competitor.

 

[blckgrffn]

Does anyone heard anything about the lower tier ampere cards? The logical thing is a $349 3060 (cut down GA104, just 20% performance difference compared to a 2080Ti) but i am interested more in the GTX1060 range, i would assume a 232mm2 10.2B transistors design (3072 cuda cores) with performance around 2060 at $219, but if true will it will be released this year? Regarding the AMD camp, Anandtech reported before 9 months that Navi will be refreshed along with new RDNA2 designs both in 2020, but surely Navi 10 cannot be refreshed, what is the point of a +5% performance for the refreshed 5700XT/5700/5600XT models, even if AMD SRPs are $299/259/219 in my opinion they don't represent good value in relation with what are my Nvidia speculations. Also yesterday's Tom's Hardware reported about a possible 40CU RDNA2 design (Navi Flounders), so another reason not to expect the Navi 10 to be refreshed (because the high end refreshed Navi 10 would be to close (-10%?) with a cut down 36CU RDNA2 model) but also what is the reason to refresh Navi 14? (The 4GB model was at same performance level with a GTX 1650 super, it was $10 higher, +30W more power hungry, and had more issues with memory hungry games) Anyway, in the below $349 market sadly AMD doesn't seem to have anything competitive as far as I can tell, although I would love to be proven wrong by AMD!

Check out the RDNA 2 thread. I don't think it needs to be spelled out here, but it's looking like RNDA v1 is going to be dead and a full lineup of RDNA 2 cards will be made available over some short period of time. Very mysterious. Fishy even. The hype train has left the station though, so you might need to run (ie, read many pages) to get fully up to speed

 

[ModEl4]

Check out the RDNA 2 thread. I don't think it needs to be spelled out here, but it's looking like RNDA v1 is going to be dead and a full lineup of RDNA 2 cards will be made available over some short period of time. Very mysterious. Fishy even. The hype train has left the station though, so you might need to run (ie, read many pages) to get fully up to speed

Thanks!

 

[Midwayman]

Seems the 3090 sold out at 8:57am lol before it even was supposed to go live. I never saw the add to cart button and Nvidia's site. Their check for availability button took you to their UK website.

/s

 

[Konan]

ComputerBase has a good review out including a couple of different 3090s

Custom-Designs der GeForce RTX 3090 im Test: Benchmarks in Ultra HD, mit Raytracing & DLSS

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 im Test: Benchmarks in Ultra HD, mit Raytracing & DLSS / Testsystem und Testmethodik / Benchmarks in 3.840 × 2.160

www.computerbase.de

Here is there overall gaming perf. ratings

 

[traderjay]

This website makes me feel so much better - the experience of buying an RTX 3080 is seamless and "apple" smooth - https://buyrtx3080.com/index.html

 

[blckgrffn]

This website makes me feel so much better - the experience of buying an RTX 3080 is seamless and "apple" smooth - https://buyrtx3080.com/index.html

Oh man, I didn't think I was in the market for a 3080 but I got one too. YES.

Thank you sir!

 

[A///]

LOL @ that website. Wow, good to see people with a sense of humor about this.

3080 base price is high. Upcoming models are gonna be higher. AIB partner cards are gonna be higher. RDNA2 better be balls amazing.