Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[sze5003]

Nvidia left a considerable gap in their lineup between RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. Some people suspected they had a 3070 Ti in the works (with possible 16GB or GDDR6).

This does indeed seem to be the case:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti spotted with 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com

Lenovo has confirmed that their Legion T7 gaming desktop system will ship with GeForce RTX 3080 and GeForce RTX 3070 graphics cards. Lenovo launches Legion T7 with GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 16GB Interestingly, Lenovo also confirmed that their Legion T7 system will feature the GeForce RTX 3070 Ti...

videocardz.com

It seems the lineup, after AMD's launch, will be something like this:

• 8GB GDDR6 RTX 3700 for $499
• 16GB GDDR6 RTX 3700 Ti for $599
• 10GB GDDR6x RTX 3800 for $699
• 20GB GDDR6x RTX 3800 Ti for $899 (or $799 if we're lucky but I doubt it)

With prices varying somewhat based on how competitive AMD is

EDIT:
had incorrect the price for RTX 3800

I wouldn't mind a 3080ti for $899 but I also don't want to wait another year having already skipped the 20 series. I definitely want to play cyberpunk maxed out.

 

[Gideon]

I wouldn't mind a 3080ti for $899 but I also don't want to wait another year having already skipped the 20 series. I definitely want to play cyberpunk maxed out.

Well If AMD competes we'll get the Ti sooner rather than later (considering the 3070 Ti leak from Lenovo I linked above). If AMD doesn't compete, yeah, it will probably be a while later.

BTW I'm also looking to upgrade for Cyberpunk, and I really hope AMD's cards are also out by that time.

 

[Asterox]

Well I have no idea, just the rumors we've had to work with, basically that big Navi is a gigantic version the 5700XT, but no dedicated Raytracing or Deep Learning cores.

If they're competitive, and have answers to RTSS 2.0 and have competitive Raytracing I'll be super happy, as that would be good news for absolutely everyone. But this late in the game (2 years after RTX launch??) I think we would have at least some decent leaks by now, no?

Not even close, "if you now tiny non important details or diferencies"

RDNA 2

- Ray Tracing

- IPC is higher

- much higher CU count , but power consumption is significantly lower

For example look at X Box X GPU power consumption.That is all you need to see.

RX 5700XT, 40 CU, 1700mhz, power consumption can push up to 240-250W

X Box X, RDNA2 52 CU, 1800mhz, GPU power consumption about 130-140W

https://twitter.com/x/status/1295411437423210496

 

[Roger Wilco]

Nvidia left a considerable gap in their lineup between RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. Some people suspected they had a 3070 Ti in the works (with possible 16GB or GDDR6).

This does indeed seem to be the case:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti spotted with 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com

Lenovo has confirmed that their Legion T7 gaming desktop system will ship with GeForce RTX 3080 and GeForce RTX 3070 graphics cards. Lenovo launches Legion T7 with GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 16GB Interestingly, Lenovo also confirmed that their Legion T7 system will feature the GeForce RTX 3070 Ti...

videocardz.com

It seems the lineup, after AMD's launch, will be something like this:

• 8GB GDDR6 RTX 3700 for $499
• 16GB GDDR6 RTX 3700 Ti for $599
• 10GB GDDR6x RTX 3800 for $699
• 20GB GDDR6x RTX 3800 Ti for $899 (or $799 if we're lucky but I doubt it)

With prices varying somewhat based on how competitive AMD is

EDIT:
had incorrect the price for RTX 3800

If the vram configuration in those leaks is correct, this is going to be a very strange lineup.

3070 8GB vs 3070Ti 16GB vs 3080 10GB.

 

[MrTeal]

Nvidia left a considerable gap in their lineup between RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. Some people suspected they had a 3070 Ti in the works (with possible 16GB or GDDR6).

This does indeed seem to be the case:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti spotted with 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com

Lenovo has confirmed that their Legion T7 gaming desktop system will ship with GeForce RTX 3080 and GeForce RTX 3070 graphics cards. Lenovo launches Legion T7 with GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 16GB Interestingly, Lenovo also confirmed that their Legion T7 system will feature the GeForce RTX 3070 Ti...

videocardz.com

It seems the lineup, after AMD's launch, will be something like this:

• 8GB GDDR6 RTX 3700 for $499
• 16GB GDDR6 RTX 3700 Ti for $599
• 10GB GDDR6x RTX 3800 for $699
• 20GB GDDR6x RTX 3800 Ti for $899 (or $799 if we're lucky but I doubt it)

With prices varying somewhat based on how competitive AMD is

EDIT:
had incorrect the price for RTX 3800

The 3070 Ti is weirdly positioned if it comes out even reasonably close to launch. Double the VRAM and probably more shaders than the 3070 with very little room to slot in above it in price would really pressure the 3070 below it. Likewise, you'll still have a big shader gap to the 3080 above it, but for anyone blanching at the 10GB on that card having the cheaper 3070 Ti launch with 16GB would definitely make you think twice about waiting on a 3080 Ti.

This would instead make a lot of sense to launch 2021 alongside a 3080 Ti in a Super style refresh, but if that's the case you'd think Nvidia would want to clamp down on the rumors now.

 

[jpiniero]

The 3070 Ti could just be OEM only.

 

[Gideon]

The 3070 Ti is weirdly positioned if it comes out even reasonably close to launch. Double the VRAM and probably more shaders than the 3070 with very little room to slot in above it in price would really pressure the 3070 below it. Likewise, you'll still have a big shader gap to the 3080 above it, but for anyone blanching at the 10GB on that card having the cheaper 3070 Ti launch with 16GB would definitely make you think twice about waiting on a 3080 Ti.

This would instead make a lot of sense to launch 2021 alongside a 3080 Ti in a Super style refresh, but if that's the case you'd think Nvidia would want to clamp down on the rumors now.

Good points. Overall it still would make some sense. If you game @ 4K you'd probably rather want the 16GB/20GB models if you're still at High Refresh Rate 1440p 8/10GB will be plenty

The 3070 Ti could just be OEM only.

Also quite possible.

Regardless it would still be a shame if they offer no models with significant memory capacity upgrade from 4-year old 1000 series. Even when it's not really needed a 16/20GB option would be nice.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

RX 5700XT, 40 CU, 1700mhz, power consumption can push up to 240-250W

X Box X, RDNA2 52 CU, 1800mhz, GPU power consumption about 130-140W

https://twitter.com/x/status/1295411437423210496

RX 5700 XT has 225W TBP and the average clockspeed is 1887Mhz.

AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Review

The AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT is based on AMD's all-new Navi 10 GPU featuring the RDNA architecture. We thoroughly test the card's gaming performance and look at power, heat, noise, overclocking, and clock frequency stability, too, sometimes with surprising results.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ozzy702]

How likely is a super/TI refresh six months from now when Samsung has an improved process? Could potentially be an easy one right? Just wondering if

Looks like RTX 2080 ti prices on ebay are tanking hard lol..I am so happy I sold all my 2080 ti GPUs back in July for a very good price...

Yep. Sold mine a month ago for $1,000. Likely picking up a 3080. The 3070 is just too close in price and too lacking in performance to be attractive.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

RTX 3060 Ti with 12GB Vram 192bit bus and 3840Cuda, 120TMU and 48ROPs could be an interesting lower mainstream. But this way there would be too much of a difference in Cuda cores between RTX 3060ti and RTX 3070, most likely It will be 4352-4608 Cuda cores.

 

[Qwertilot]

How likely is a super/TI refresh six months from now when Samsung has an improved process? Could potentially be an easy one right? Just wondering if

12 months would be the expected schedule for a non trivial refresh, if they're going to do that.

Then in 2 years I guess we do all of this circus again with similar results. They're actually really very predictable in a global sense.

 

[exar333]

If you have cash to burn and/or just need the best, the 3090 is the obvious best performer. The 3080 is clearly (based on NV slides) the best performer for the money. If $699 is too high, I cannot see how the 3070 makes a great case seeing how cut down that it is for only $200 less. My opinion is most people will get the 3080 who want high performance or wait for the 3060. My gut is that the 3060 is likely not too far below the 3070 when it releases.

 

[Stuka87]

I highly doubt we will see a Ti model for anything that isn't a halo card. The 'Super' nomenclature will be used for any of those. And I would not be surprised if we see them six months down the road, just like after Turing came out.

 

[blckgrffn]

How likely is a super/TI refresh six months from now when Samsung has an improved process? Could potentially be an easy one right? Just wondering if


Yep. Sold mine a month ago for $1,000. Likely picking up a 3080. The 3070 is just too close in price and too lacking in performance to be attractive.

Solid timing, nice work.

I am really hoping that we start seeing the 2070S under $300 used after the 3070 comes out. That downward pressure is going to make it a lot more affordable for many. Seeing 2060s under $200 is going to give a lot of people really viable gaming rigs as well.

Although, with how crazy the second hand market has been I am wondering if that is how it will really play out or if the cash market is going absorb a lot of these relatively high end cards without much depreciation. The 2080ti tanking makes sense, given its priced so much higher than similar performance replacements.

Let's see that full stack refresh already

 

[Genx87]

How likely is a super/TI refresh six months from now when Samsung has an improved process? Could potentially be an easy one right? Just wondering if


Yep. Sold mine a month ago for $1,000. Likely picking up a 3080. The 3070 is just too close in price and too lacking in performance to be attractive.

Think it all depends on how AMD's lineup performs.

 

[uzzi38]

How likely is a super/TI refresh six months from now when Samsung has an improved process? Could potentially be an easy one right? Just wondering if

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[Kenmitch]

Thread goes from pimping Nvidia to bashing AMD.

I hope AMD gives all you guys with ill intentions the middle finger one way or another!

 

[ozzy702]

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Even if a miracle occurs and RDNA2 brings solid competition? We haven't had a situation like that for quite some time. I wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA has supers ready to roll. Maybe not in six months, but soon. There's just too big a gap between the 3070 and 3080 right now and between the 3080 and 3090. I guess time will tell.

 

[sze5003]

Is there a review embargo? I wish I had some reviews before figuring out if I want to go for a 3080 or 3090. But I don't want to be stuck not being able to get one if I wait. Just concerned about the vram on the 3080.

My application use would be 3440x1440 120hz gaming and use of a HP Reverb with a military flight simulator. I know for sure that may use the extra 1gb of vram. Although the memory bandwidth alone in the 3080 is much faster than what I have now.

I've liked not having to upgrade the past 3 years too.

 

[uzzi38]

Even if a miracle occurs and RDNA2 brings solid competition? We haven't had a situation like that for quite some time. I wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA has supers ready to roll. Maybe not in six months, but soon. There's just too big a gap between the 3070 and 3080 right now and between the 3080 and 3090. I guess time will tell.

Ampere is too short-lived a generation for a refresh.

 

[Qwertilot]

Ampere is too short-lived a generation for a refresh.

Why would they move quickly? Unlikely to be competitive pressure to force it.

The node shrinks aren't getting any more frequent and more R&D to pay off every time now.

 

[traderjay]

Never in my hardware buying history had the 2080 ti been such a steal. I used them for close to 3 years and sold them all for USD$1200 to $1300 which means it costs me almost nothing to own them during this time period. The proceed is used to buy the Canon EOS R5 8K Hybrid DSLR and still have enough left to buy the 3080 and add some cash for the 3090 (both pre-ordered)

 

[uzzi38]

Why would they move quickly? Unlikely to be competitive pressure to force it.

The node shrinks aren't getting any more frequent and more R&D to pay off every time now.

Because there's fun tech to be using next generation.

Actually, I want to clarify my statement a little bit. Datacentre Ampere is a short-lived generation. I'm not sure of consumer, but I don't think consumers will fall further behind than they have already.

 

[Bouowmx]

Why would they move quickly? Unlikely to be competitive pressure to force it.

The node shrinks aren't getting any more frequent and more R&D to pay off every time now.

It's the rumor of Hopper architecture (5 nm, MCM) for 2021.

Even if it is just for Tesla, the datacenter revenue is a lot; or it's to preempt Intel MCM GPUs.

 

[Aikouka]

While I was watching some 3000-series videos last night, one thing came to mind... I kind of also care about the low-end. It may sound odd, because I -- like many of you -- focus on gaming with the cards, but I'm still using a 1050 Ti in my server as a transcode card. So, a card that I'd like to see this generation would be....

• Low-End (1050 Ti range)
• Up-to-Date NVENC (No 2050 shenanigans here)
• No extra power connector (Like the 1050 Ti)
• High or Unlocked NVENC Session Count

The low-end isn't exactly a lucrative market, so I don't have my hopes up.

Yep. Sold mine a month ago for $1,000. Likely picking up a 3080. The 3070 is just too close in price and too lacking in performance to be attractive.

I debated selling my 2080 Ti a few months ago in expectation for it being outclassed, but due to not wanting to deal with the water cooling changes, I didn't do it. I guess the phrase "mistakes were made" is apt here. Losing half of your card's value with the release of a new generation isn't too new, but I guess what feels worse is that instead of it being a $500-600 card, it happened on a $1200 card. Just imagine what happens if you spend $1500 on the 3090 and the 4000 series ends up doing the same.

Although, even with Nvidia's remarks on speed, I'd still really like to see actual benchmarks, and also how they compare to AMD. I can't remember which card it was (the 1080, I think?) where Nvidia dropped their price not long after release due to pressure from AMD. I might hold off for a bit on upgrading depending on what we see, and how demanding upcoming titles are. I still use 144Hz WQHD monitors, so I don't have the need for high framerate 4K gaming or 8K gaming.