Amnesty is Wrong!

[IGBT]

Prision for employers who hire illegal aliens. Maintaining an underclass of labour to do the work we don't want to pay a fair wage to do is a form of corruption. And the employers who do this bill out illegal labour at legal rates and pocket the difference. When these people need medical services the go to county hospitals where the TAX PAYER pays for their medical needs. So TAX PAYERS are subsidizing the liiegal wages for CORRUPT employers who hire boarder jumpers.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Prison terms for all illegals, and for the people that hire them! >>


Yeap. I hate when people defend others who break the law

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Prision for employers who hire illegal aliens. Maintaining an underclass of labour to do the work we don't want to pay a fair wage to do is a form of corruption. And the employers who do this bill out illegal labour at legal rates and pocket the difference. When these people need medical services the go to county hospitals where the TAX PAYER pays for their medical needs. So TAX PAYERS are subsidizing the liiegal wages for CORRUPT employers who hire boarder jumpers.

The American legal system doesn't work like that. You have to be pretty bad as a PRODUCER to ever face jail or significant penalty for illegal activity. A fair wage for picking strawberries in Cali or tobacco in NC is not compatible with good profit margins. Now if you abolish the minimum wage AND close the border we could give Americans a fine collection of employment opportunities.

As for medical care, you're only at the tip of iceberg. It's not that hard to stay in the US for years without detection. Once you have a child (citizen by birth) immigration is hesitant to force deportation on the family. During one clerkship a significant portion of my deliveries were American citizens born to non-legal status Mexicans (primarily). To make matters worse, we give them obstetrical care and sterilization if they already have emergency Medicaid clearance. If not we can't offer sterilization b/c Medicaid won't pay even if the woman wants it. So guess who will be back in a year or two?

 

[Evadman]

If you want to come here, that's all well and good. Just pay your taxes like everyone else, and try to learn some English

I have no problem at all with anyone unless that person is a freeloader. You freeload, you get punted. That simple.

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Amen NotFred.
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[glenn1]

I agree. We ought to let more folks from Mexico and South America who want to come here and work, into the U.S.


<< I'm for granting Amnesty. These Mexicans are hard working people who work at jobs that most Americans don't want to do. I also think they're good for our overall economy. I don't think they are a drain on our society at all. I think their contributions outweigh their "drain" on our society. I love seeing hard-working people "make it" in our country. >>



Ditto. Immigration is a net positive for the U.S.

My thinking is that since there's tons of people wanting to come here, that we charge admission. Essentially, we make as a condition that someone wanting to immigrate here, pay an entrance fee (and/or monthly payments until they achieve their citizenship). Say we make it $50k. Not a huge amount, compared to the opportunities available to someone come here, work hard, and pursue the American dream. We take that money, give it to an indigent U.S. welfare recipient, and send their ass packing to Mexico to replace the citizen they lost. You can live with pretty decent standard of living in Mexico for a long time with 50 large, after all.

Everyone benefits... the immigrant (who is now here legally, and doesn't need to worry about being hassled by Immigration or being deported), the welfare person who gets a free permanent vacation (Aruba and other Mexican towns are highly sought-after tourist destinations, after all), the Mexican government (inflow of fresh capital to their country from their new immigrants), and the U.S. (trading a lazy welfare recipient for a hardworking Mexican immigrant sure seems like a pretty fair deal to me).

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Hmm, you might be on to something, glenn1. Granted, I think some Asian groups are already on to the "Coming to America Fee". It would take a lot of avocados to work off 50K.

 

[chiwawa626]

<< Prison terms for all illegals, and for the people that hire them! >>



well mabey thats goin a lil too far, since the illeagle immigrants do jobs most of the legal citizens do not want to do. if we didnt have a supply of illeagle immigrants to cultivate crops im sure that many americans would not really want to take those jobs. I think they are a part of soceity and should be accepted.

 

[chiwawa626]

Most of you who are so against amnesty are from the mid states i see from your profiles. Have you ever talked to a californian and asked them if illeagle immigrants bug them? frankly, they dont to most. Im sure theres plenty of immigrants out in ur lonley hick states. :disgust:

 

[IGBT]

How about have no restrictions on immigration. If they can get here they can stay. If they can't get here send a boat, truck, car and bring em here. When they get here give em anything they want..that's what happens anyway. Welfare, SSI, WIC, any thing they want. Any free hand out or TAX PAYER supported program..just give it to em. And let public assistance programs collapse under their own weight.

 

[gopunk]

has anybody else seen that cartoon where there's some white trash screaming his head off about how it's "time to reclaim america from illegal immigrants", and there's this serious looking indian guy behind him, going "i'll help you pack"? strikes me as particularly relevant.

this country was founded by "illegal" immigrants, lets keep that in mind. while i'm not going to go so far as to advocate it, i don't think we should treat these people as poorly as some of you people seem to think we should. maybe you don't realize it, but there are *reasons* they risk life and limb to get here, a lot of them are escaping a bloody government, etc. maybe it doesn't make the most economic sense, but i can't see how anybody with half a heart can turn people like that back.

 

Am I missing something? Why has no one started a thread about the newest on this one: "House Passes Immigrant Bill to Aid Mexico"

It seems rather unusual to me that no one's popped out saying something with a confirmed fact. :/

 

[Geekbabe]

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<< I mean, I can see sending them back, but putting them in jail, when they've really done nothing wrong except be in the wrong place.... >>



I don?t have any problem with immigrant farm workers legally working fields in the US. My problem is their not just trespassing they are knowingly breaking US laws. We have no idea who these people are or where they are from. How would you feel if someone decided they wanted to camp in your backyard? Would you like it? >>



They're not camping in anyone's backyard, they're renting cheapapartments, or a small house and sharing it with 2 families. They do important work, that most US citizens won't do, unless you're going to tell me you pick strawberries for a living.
As far as breaking US laws, well, yes they are. But, we all break laws everyday. When was the last time you drove faster than 65mph, or copied a CD, etc? These people aren't breaking this law because they want to defy the US, they're not breaking the law to get free music, or to save 5 minutes on thier commute, either. These people are breaknig the law because they want to feed thier families, and they want thier children to have the opportunity to get an education.
I guess we don't know who these people are, but we do know something about them. They're poor families from Mexico. If you're worried about Drug lords or Terrorists living in the US illegally, beleive me, they're not going to hide out in a lettuce field. >>




The things that some of em go thru to get here would make most people's hair stand on end,not only do they do work that most Americans wouldn't touch they show a fair amount of courage and cleverness in their efforts to get here.I don't know about anybody else but I'm all for more brave,hard working clever people coming here to live, no matter what their career status.

 

[Buzzman151]

<< w, I thought we came in here to bash Amesty International. Now I'm disappointed.

I am not for any sort of help to anyone living in the U.S. Illegally whatsoever.

nik
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haha.... that's what I was thinking too

 

[lawaris]

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<< If you think Illegal Aliens are a drain on our economy now what do you think they'll be if we imprison them?We'll have to feed, cloth,shelter and give them Medical care.


<< Prison terms for all illegals, and for the people that hire them! >>

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Barb wire fence in the desert, no medical, and just enough rice, and water to live. >>



u r pathetic :disgust:

 

[jjones]

as usual, most of the replies are clueless about this subject. illegal immigrants are not taking jobs away; they fulfill unskilled labor jobs that Americans don't want to do. they are not draining welfare and government benefits; that's drained away by Americans who don't want to work for a living. they're not camping out in people's backyards; they are filling up low-income housing areas and spending money in our economy.

i'm not advocating illegals being in the US but i'm not condoning them as the easy scapegoat for economic woes either. unfortunately, with minimum wage requirements, employers with a large unskilled labor force often turn to illegals to fill these positions. the problem is not the illegals. we should do what we can to get them into the tax base but it is a contradictory situation.

 

[Nitemare]

Give me a hard working Mexican over a no-working trailer park trash guy any day.

I'd like to set something up similar to a student exchange program in which we ship welfare recipients who can work and other leeches to society down to Mexico in exchange for som good old hard working Mexican laborers. I've worked jobs where they didn't have a green card and probably shared a social security number with some others. Hell I used to kid them that I was an undercover agent for INS looking for illegal 'wetbacks' they said they hadn't seen any but a bunch of 'no working gringos'. They were some hard workers but eventually INS did discover them and they just stopped showing up to work. My employer replaced them with some other day laborers who were American citizens but were lazy as I don't know what..

I'm all about helping them gain citizenship, learn the English language and pay taxes. Maybe some of their hard working worth ethics can rub off on some of our 'no working gringos'

America was founded by immigrants, whether they come over on boats or walked across a land bridge.

Those people who are saying that anyone who is here illegal needs to get out..I say to you..Go to the nearest harbor get on a boat and go back to whatever country you belong to because you are not from here. I'm part native American so I have squatter rights

 

[rufruf44]

Why is it only for the Mexicans? How about for the chinese that sneak in via ship and cargo containers ? Or arabs that comes in the same way? Or other illegal immigrant from poor eastern european countries ? What about the people that fought long and hard to come here legally? You're slapping them right in the face by saying "oh well, they're here, might as well legalize them so we can collect more tax money!!" . What kind of effect do you think this will do for millions other mexican that now sees they can cross illegally and becomes legal by just waiting long enough ?
If you want to apply it, at least apply it equally, not just to a particular race, and not because they scream the loudest or have the most political influence.

 

[IGBT]

Let em all in before the small pox shows up.