America's support for Saudi despotism

[The Green Bean]

I am amused that the bastion of freedom, liberty and democracy is able to support a regime like the Saudis. Why is there no opposition to this illegal war and American support? The crimes and brutality of the Saudis are not hidden to anyone. Hidden interests aside, how has the American government been able to send off "logistical and intelligence assistance" in support of a dictator when all it's previous wars were justified as liberation against dictatorship.

It's amazing how the Saudis have been able to get away from this without any mass condemnation from the rest of the World.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I am amused that the bastion of freedom, liberty and democracy is able to support a regime like the Saudis. Why is there no opposition to this illegal war and American support? The crimes and brutality of the Saudis are not hidden to anyone. Hidden interests aside, how has the American government been able to send off "logistical and intelligence assistance" in support of a dictator when all it's previous wars were justified as liberation against dictatorship.

It's amazing how the Saudis have been able to get away from this without any mass condemnation from the rest of the World.

You make unsupported allegations....no proof ..links please....

 

[Sulaco]

I'm always impressed that consistently and predictably being made to look like a total fool, like your last thread you started here, you reliably return time after time to up the ante on your transparent trolling.

But hey, they can't all be bastions of freedom and social justice like Pakistan
.

 

[The Green Bean]

You make unsupported allegations....no proof ..links please....

Allegations of what? Brutality? You mean besides the beheadings? Or the fact that women aren't allowed to drive? Or of bombing refugee camps?

Or of the billions of dollars of arms the USA sold the Sauds? Or the promised support for this war?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/middleeast/saudi-beheading-video/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...i-controlled-northern-yemen-kills-at-least-21
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-widens-role-in-saudi-led-campaign-against-yemen-rebels-1428882967

 

[Caravaggio]

I am amused that the bastion of freedom, liberty and democracy is able to support a regime like the Saudis. Why is there no opposition to this illegal war and American support? The crimes and brutality of the Saudis are not hidden to anyone. Hidden interests aside, how has the American government been able to send off "logistical and intelligence assistance" in support of a dictator when all it's previous wars were justified as liberation against dictatorship.

It's amazing how the Saudis have been able to get away from this without any mass condemnation from the rest of the World.

You are right, complete double standard.
It is a Sunni / Shia thing. Saudis (Sunni) promised not to make nukes if the US sold them F35s. Iran has not yet yet signed up to that promise. Israel is currently pretending to be pals with the Saudis because they fear Tehran more the Meccans. (Hence Yoda's quick intervention)
Saudi claims to be fighting terrorism but the only 'terrorists' they seem able to find are Shia ones, how strange.
Of course you are right. Saudis were at the heart of 9/11 (check the hijackers' passports) and they are funding Sunni Jihad on three continents.
When you are Saudi rich you can back all the horses in the race. One is bound to win.

 

[Strk]

You make unsupported allegations....no proof ..links please....

Seriously?

 

[rudeguy]

I am amused that the bastion of freedom, liberty and democracy is able to support a regime like the Saudis. Why is there no opposition to this illegal war and American support? The crimes and brutality of the Saudis are not hidden to anyone. Hidden interests aside, how has the American government been able to send off "logistical and intelligence assistance" in support of a dictator when all it's previous wars were justified as liberation against dictatorship.

It's amazing how the Saudis have been able to get away from this without any mass condemnation from the rest of the World.

You're from Pakistan, right?


The world is a dirty, messy place. No nation out there is free from sins or pure as the driven snow. There are times when a nation has to pick the lesser of 2 evils to side with. In a perfect world we would either stay out of it or only ally with nations that are completely free from wrong doing. But those two things just aren't possible.

In the end we have to do what we think is best and pray that we made the right decision. Sometimes we do make the wrong call. Sometimes we wish we could take things back. But sometimes you just have to make a decision and deal with the consequences later.

 

[biostud]

Oil and enemy of enemy.

 

[cabri]

Seems like Pakistan is butt hurt because they are being called out on their actions with respect to Yemen.

They want to kiss up to Iran; yet need the Saudi/UAE oil.

What a twisted web they weave when they practice to deceive.


And then look in a mirror to the way Pakistan operates, both officially in the government, the religious leadership and the way that they treat women.

should Pakistan be condemning other countries without getting their affairs in order?

 

[Omar F1]

Freedom and liberty are only found inside US itself. However, their foreign policy is only matter of interests, exactly like everybody else in the world.


Iranian influence is a real threat for Saudi Arabia, and I believe it should be dealt with before we see the Iranian proxies right on the middle of Gulf region. Although I admit that Yemeni innocent civilians are the one who're paying a heavy price for such war, Neither SA nor Iran.

Yemeni people in some areas are now facing severe shortage in water, food, power & medical supplies. Prolonging the war could bring a true disaster for them.

 

[realibrad]

Freedom and liberty are only found inside US itself. However, their foreign policy is only matter of interests, exactly like everybody else in the world.


Iranian influence is a real threat for Saudi Arabia, and I believe it should be dealt with before we see the Iranian proxies right on the middle of Gulf region. Although I admit that Yemeni innocent civilians are the one who're paying a heavy price for such war, Neither SA nor Iran.

Yemeni people in some areas are now facing severe shortage in water, food, power & medical supplies. Prolonging the war could bring a true disaster for them.

It looks like the US is starting to have the policy of letting the Arab world fight it out, but stopping at nukes and genocide. For a long time, the US has stepped in to further its interests and been hated for it. One of its interests was a relatively stable Arab world. They tried to play peacekeeper while getting the resources they wanted. Propping up governments and taking down others has not worked out well.

Sadly, this is how cultures grow. Either they destroy themselves, or they figure out how to get along. Right now, all the hatred that has been building up is starting to be released. I hope as few die as possible, but it does not look good.

 

[rudeguy]

It looks like the US is starting to have the policy of letting the Arab world fight it out, but stopping at nukes and genocide. For a long time, the US has stepped in to further its interests and been hated for it. One of its interests was a relatively stable Arab world. They tried to play peacekeeper while getting the resources they wanted. Propping up governments and taking down others has not worked out well.

Sadly, this is how cultures grow. Either they destroy themselves, or they figure out how to get along. Right now, all the hatred that has been building up is starting to be released. I hope as few die as possible, but it does not look good.

LOL

No...no we don't. That is simply wrong.

 

[cabri]

Freedom and liberty are only found inside US itself. However, their foreign policy is only matter of interests, exactly like everybody else in the world.


Iranian influence is a real threat for Saudi Arabia, and I believe it should be dealt with before we see the Iranian proxies right on the middle of Gulf region. Although I admit that Yemeni innocent civilians are the one who're paying a heavy price for such war, Neither SA nor Iran.

Yemeni people in some areas are now facing severe shortage in water, food, power & medical supplies. Prolonging the war could bring a true disaster for them.

It is always the civilians in a combat zone that bear the brunt of the battle

 

[zephyrprime]

The middle east is better off with despots than with freedom. With freedom, the middle eastern countries just vote themselves in ISIS. Any crimes the saudis may have committed against their own people are minor compared to the crimes isis commits every day.

 

[realibrad]

LOL

No...no we don't. That is simply wrong.

No, I am saying we are trying to stop the Arab nations from getting nukes and doing genocide. Its a pretty weak effort on the genocide part, but the nuke part we are pretty aggressive on.

I am saying the US focus has been to now let them fight, but constrain how they do it.

 

[rudeguy]

The middle east is better off with despots than with freedom. With freedom, the middle eastern countries just vote themselves in ISIS. Any crimes the saudis may have committed against their own people are minor compared to the crimes isis commits every day.

Yep.

Sometimes we have to take sides with the lesser of 2 evils. We don't have to like it but we have to do it. And really, Saudi has been a good ally of ours for a very long time. We can't suddenly decide that after 24 years we are suddenly shocked by their treatment of their population.

 

[rudeguy]

No, I am saying we are trying to stop the Arab nations from getting nukes and doing genocide. Its a pretty weak effort on the genocide part, but the nuke part we are pretty aggressive on.

I am saying the US focus has been to now let them fight, but constrain how they do it.

We do not stop Arab nations from "doing genocide".

 

[realibrad]

We do not stop Arab nations from "doing genocide".

We dont "stop" it, but we do a little to "try" and stop it. We also turn a blind eye when the rest of the world does not care though. Like I said, we have been pretty weak on that part. If there is ever an outcry, the US will be the ones to step in.

 

[IronWing]

Yep.

Sometimes we have to take sides with the lesser of 2 evils. We don't have to like it but we have to do it. And really, Saudi has been a good ally of ours for a very long time. We can't suddenly decide that after 24 years we are suddenly shocked by their treatment of their population.

Maybe we aught to be shocked by their murder of 3000 Americans on 9/11 and the decades of support for violent extremism and terrorism. The Sauds are not our friends and not our allies.

 

[rudeguy]

]We dont "stop" it, but we do a little to "try" and stop it.[/B] We also turn a blind eye when the rest of the world does not care though. Like I said, we have been pretty weak on that part. If there is ever an outcry, the US will be the ones to step in.

Nice back peddle brad.

 

[rudeguy]

Maybe we aught to be shocked by their murder of 3000 Americans on 9/11 and the decades of support for violent extremism and terrorism. The Sauds are not our friends and not our allies.

Like I said man...sometimes you have to choose the lesser of 2 evils.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not sticking up for Saudi Arabia. I'm not saying we are doing the right thing by allying with them. But sometimes you have to do things that in a perfect world you would not do.

 

[realibrad]

Nice back peddle brad.

How is it a back peddle? The us is not stopping genocide because it wants to be warm and fuzzy. When genocide happens, the world gets uppity. When they call for action, the US has to be the one to clean it up, as we are the only ones able to. Its cheaper and easier to stop overt genocide from happening because it only causes more work. It still happens, but usually on a much smaller scale than if the US was not around.

Where is the peddling?

 

[Nebor]

The middle east is better off with despots than with freedom. With freedom, the middle eastern countries just vote themselves in ISIS. Any crimes the saudis may have committed against their own people are minor compared to the crimes isis commits every day.

This. Democracy leads to extremism when the population holds extreme (religious) beliefs. They're better off under harsh dictatorships, and we're better off having them there.

 

[Nebor]

Nice back peddle brad.

He said "try" and pointed out how ineffective it is in his first post. 404 no back peddling found.

 

[rudeguy]

He said "try" and pointed out how ineffective it is in his first post. 404 no back peddling found.

Genocide happens every single day in a ton of countries and we do nothing. Its not where we draw the line. In the old days, maybe. But now? Now at most we puff out our chests and threaten "pin prick" bombings.