America's Best- And Worst-Paying Jobs

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msparish

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Rural docs in many cases make more than urban ones since no one wants to work there and they have to pay more to attract people. I was offered jobs in dooneyville Kentucky for 450K right out of residency, but elected to stay in CA for about half that.

And no increasing the supply of docs wont decrease your health costs. Unless you're paying completely in cash for everything, costs/prices are regulated by insurance companies, not the physician themself. If you want to lower your cost, you either need to go to a complete FFS system, or have more insurance companies to compete against each other.


EDIT: This is specifically in regard to Anesthesiologists. We're a little different than most docs in that we make a relatively flat salary from the hospital, instead of being paid by the patients that we see.

I disagree Slew Foot. Say the supply of Anesthesiologies was increased by 50%. Now there is a situation where hospitals can offer much lower salaries and still fill the position. In turn, each Anesthesiologist would have to accept a lower salary or lose their job. It is simple supply and demand.

In regards to insurance, if there were many more doctors, insurance companies could offer much lower reimbursement and still get doctors to join their networks.

That said, physician salaries aren't the biggest cause of soaring health care costs..
 

jupiter57

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: jupiter57
My job description falls under "Engineering Managers", but I certainly don't, have never, and never will, make $110K Yr.! (I must be on the low end of that spectrum)
Nice to know I work in the top 25 paying jobs, though.

I am a plain engineer, not even a manager, and I am almost there. But I am in the Santa Clara, Sunnyvale, San Jose metro where the engineering manager gets $150K.

Yeah, the Demographics are such, I'm sure.
Here in Kentucky, if you make over $40K Yr. most would consider you wealthy.
Then again, the cost of living is probably one of the lowest in the USA.
 

Bateluer

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Hmm, I thought bartenders made decent money. Must only be at certain bars.

I also expected enlisted military and police officers to be on the list.
 

nonameo

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I would also like to think that full time waiters and waitresses make better. tips FTW.
 

Synomenon

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Dec 25, 2004
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Here in Vegas, a couple of waitresses I know make around $160,000 a year (hourly + tips). Most of them work at the big casinos.

Unfortunately our soldiers don't get paid enough for what they do. I wish that would change someday.
 

ub4me

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: Descartes
Honestly, I was expecting the mean salary for anesthesiologists to be higher. I also didn't know that gaming dealers were paid so low.

Im not sure where the mean of 180K comes from. I dont know any full timers who make less than 230K.

That average wage includes residents who get paid much less than the national average.
 

Juno

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eh, chief executives in new jersey make more money than other states? how the f...
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Rural docs in many cases make more than urban ones since no one wants to work there and they have to pay more to attract people.
If the money is available, and in most cases underserved rural areas aren't going to have that kind of funding unless there is a very profitable industry or employer that is kicking in some (or most) of the dough. e.g. mining, processing, and refinery operations in remote areas of Nevada, Wyoming, or Kentucky (coal, oil, uranium, et. al.)

What city/county/employer in Kentucky was willing and able to pony up nearly a half-million dollars for an anesthesiologist? Most rural areas would try to get a CRNA for 1/3 of that. Some states require a physician to oversee or collaborate on anesthesia care, but this can be the surgeon. No state requires that it be an anesthesiologist.

I used to know a CRNA many years ago who covered small hospitals, clinics, and office facilities in rural areas of northern Michigan and the Upper Peninsula. He mostly practiced independently and loved it, except for the commutes between job-sites (and the infrequent winter where he actually had to ride his snowmobile to work because roads were impassable by car). At the time (10 years ago), he made just over 100K per year, was an avid outdoorsmen (hunting, fishing, camping, snowmobiling, et. al.), and particularly fond of his custom home on many acres that you couldn't touch for less than $2 ~ $3 million in most suburban areas (he paid something like $300K all-inclusive).

I'm wondering how this affects the median income figures for physicians cited by Forbes:

"The survey covers full- and part-time workers who are paid a wage or salary. It does not include the self-employed..."

And this is strange:

Surgeons

Mean Annual Wage: $184,150
One-Year Change: 3.6%
No. In Employment: 51,900
Top-Paying Industry: Offices of Dentists (>$145,600*)

What the hell are surgeons doing in dentist offices? Forbes listed dentists, oral and maxillofacial surgeons separately.
 

fustercluck

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Bah, I want an easy list to read, I don't want to have to read an entire article :p - Anyone have the top 25 list just with the job titles?
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: eits
chiropractors didn't make it on the top 25

They are on the top 10 scam-artists list.

KT
 

gamepad

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Originally posted by: Cattlegod
those salaries seem waaaay low on a lot of those.

Yeah, I would think anesthesiologists/surgeons average $300,000/yr.
 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Honestly, I was expecting the mean salary for anesthesiologists to be higher. I also didn't know that gaming dealers were paid so low.

why is the pay for anesthesiologists so high?? your just administering gas.

it's not like you're cutting out a tumor near the spine.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: Descartes
Honestly, I was expecting the mean salary for anesthesiologists to be higher. I also didn't know that gaming dealers were paid so low.

why is the pay for anesthesiologists so high?? your just administering gas.

it's not like you're cutting out a tumor near the spine.

Responsibility.
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Yep, thank the AMA for limiting supply of new doctors. Econ 101.

not enough h1b.
i wonder how many doctors are paying to have illegal immigrants to remodel their homes:p

in france doctors get paid less than half:p
universal healthcare ftw!
 

Slew Foot

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Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: Descartes
Honestly, I was expecting the mean salary for anesthesiologists to be higher. I also didn't know that gaming dealers were paid so low.

why is the pay for anesthesiologists so high?? your just administering gas.

it's not like you're cutting out a tumor near the spine.

Its not just passing gas, its placing nerve blocks, epidurals, spinal blocks, central lines, PA catheters, arterial lines, lumbar drains, etc....

Youre the one responsible for keeping the patient alive, comfortable, and asleep during the perioperative period, if its so easy why dont you do it?
 

SSSnail

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That list is a bit short - where are the Wall Street guys? Professionals agents? Pro athletes? (granted you can't really go to school to be a pro athlete). Musicians? Etc...
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: Descartes
Honestly, I was expecting the mean salary for anesthesiologists to be higher. I also didn't know that gaming dealers were paid so low.

why is the pay for anesthesiologists so high?? your just administering gas.

it's not like you're cutting out a tumor near the spine.

Its not just passing gas, its placing nerve blocks, epidurals, spinal blocks, central lines, PA catheters, arterial lines, lumbar drains, etc....

Youre the one responsible for keeping the patient alive, comfortable, and asleep during the perioperative period, if its so easy why dont you do it?

Ether. Oh wait...
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: ub4me
Linky

Is this related to the structural problem of health-related business?

I'm sure the 11-16 years of education after high school have nothing to do it.

It's also due to the immense liability.