Americans... you all confuse me.

locutus12

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it seems all i hear from americans these days with regards to politics is "dang bleeding heart liberals" or "stupid dumb rednecks" presumably denoting Democrats and Republicans...

i was speaking to my good friend in Oklahoma about current political affairs and he spoke about senator Clinton and Obama going for the race to the white house and he was adamant that not only would neither of them win, but it would be a disaster if a democrat got into office :/

now i put it to him that surely there were bigger issues of global importance and that clinton wasnt a bad president, not perfect but not a bad one at all from an outsiders perspective, i mean the US economy had 75Billion dollar surplus, good growth stable taxes and the best medicare provisions the US has had. To which he replied that clinton was a disater due to monica lewinsky...

now this took me back a bit, maybe its because I am not actually an american but regardless of what happens in a politicians private life surely the main argument must be "were they good professionally" and if they were, surely we can ignore private conduct providing no one has been hurt, i mean you wasted millions of dollars trying to impeach the guy for basically cheating on his wife. it was insane, stupid and looked very childish and pointless to the rest of the world, especially here in england, hell if your a politician here and your not drunk and sleeping with your secretary or a rent boy or both then your not a true member of parliament.

my point to this post is this, i get the feeling that your politicians forget that they are not actually republicans or democrats, but that you are all Americans. your all so busy trying to blame one side or the other for the political mistakes of the present that your missing out on a changing future and from what i can see, failing to prepare for it by allowing the global reputation of the USA to slide thus losing potential diplomatic and economic allies.

in 20 years the USA will no longer be the worlds economic driving power, it will no longer be the worlds richest country, and it will no longer be the most affluent country and eventually its military will be surpassed in size and technology. the Chinese, a communist country, will have successfully overtaken the USA in terms of economics, and with the massive workforce to back them up, it is doubtful anyone will be able to top them for a very long time.

Wake up America, the world is changing, the western world needs you need to change with it.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Talking to the wrong people. The Americans you seek are that way.

*points away from the internet*
 

alien42

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your friend is a right wing republican and please do not think that most americans agree with the BS that is our current leadership.
 

oogabooga

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Originally posted by: waggy
yeah another US bashing thread!

yeah another case of the opinions of one American [from Kansas no less] being used to formulate an opinion about the greater whole!
 

locutus12

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Originally posted by: waggy
yeah another US bashing thread!

hey hey hey, i dont mean it as a bashing thread??!! why is it when ever someone trys to offer a little constructive criticism its suddenly a bashing thread, im making valid points, i expect them to be either agreed with or counter argued, i mean no disrespect by my post at all.

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Maybe you should study up a little before your next post

such as where ? everything i have said is factual as far as China is concearned.

Originally posted by: alien42
your friend is a right wing republican and please do not think that most americans agree with the BS that is our current leadership.

indeed i dont, :) but i do think there needs to be more cohesion in your political system and less mudd slinging and in fighting. your the most powerful democracy in the world at present, but you need to unite and use that to secure your place in the future.
 

ScottFern

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Because Brits have such a well adjusted view of America. Did anyone else see the latest Top Gear video? I don't think Clarkson could possibly bash the US anymore.

But I am sure I could find some uneducated Brits if I went to an economically poor section of England, tape it and say this is how all British people act.
 

sixone

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Clinton was not impeached for cheating on his wife. Anyone who says he was is either a liar or stupid.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: locutus12
in 20 years the USA will no longer be the worlds economic driving power, it will no longer be the worlds richest country, and it will no longer be the most affluent country and eventually its military will be surpassed in size and technology. the Chinese, a communist country, will have successfully overtaken the USA in terms of economics, and with the massive workforce to back them up, it is doubtful anyone will be able to top them for a very long time.

Wake up America, the world is changing, the western world needs you need to change with it.

WTF! What are you smoking? We ARE the western world, europe is the tag along.

No. We are the single, most powerful, best country on the planet and will remain that way. This kind of euro-elitist crap is what ticks me off. We saved your butts so many times it isn't even funny.

 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: sixone
Clinton was not impeached for cheating on his wife. Anyone who says he was is either a liar or stupid.

so what was he impeached for? creating a budget surplus?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: waggy
yeah another US bashing thread!

yeah another case of the opinions of one American [from Kansas no less] being used to formulate an opinion about the greater whole!

very true. that is even better way to describe it.
 

irishScott

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Almost all that you hear about on the media are the extremists cause they make the most noise. The vast majority of the American population is much more reasonable.

Also, I admit that China could become the predominant economic power, but militarily I doubt they will surpass us. They're rich, but also about 50 years behind in a lot of high-tech technology due to their inefficient government (ie: They JUST launched a person into space).

Also, remember that the Chinese CITIZENS are rich due to capitalism. The government can't even keep it's army supplied with ammunition.
 

locutus12

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Originally posted by: ScottFern
Because Brits have such a well adjusted view of America. Did anyone else see the latest Top Gear video? I don't think Clarkson could possibly bash the US anymore.

But I am sure I could find some uneducated Brits if I went to an economically poor section of England, tape it and say this is how all British people act.

so let me get this straight, im trying to debate the modern american political system and your trying to counter that with an example of a biggoted british TV presenter...

Originally posted by: sixone
Clinton was not impeached for cheating on his wife. Anyone who says he was is either a liar or stupid.

i never said he was impeached :/ i said they tried, i was using it as an example of a wast of time and resources and a classic example of one political side clutching at straws at the US tax payers expense to damage another.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: sixone
Clinton was not impeached for cheating on his wife. Anyone who says he was is either a liar or stupid.

so what was he impeached for? creating a budget surplus?

hmm how about leiing under oath? naa that can't be it can it?


I do agree Clinton was a great presidant. but the leing under oath was bad. Having a presidant do that is so damn wrong.

but then again going to war without proof is worse. so meh.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Almost all that you hear about on the media are the extremists cause they make the most noise. The vast majority of the American population is much more reasonable.

Also, I admit that China could become the predominant economic power, but militarily I doubt they will surpass us. They're rich, but also about 50 years behind in a lot of high-tech technology due to their inefficient government (ie: They JUST launched a person into space).

The way their economy is going, how is it going to survive? The default rate in China is over 30%.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: locutus12

in 20 years the USA will no longer be the worlds economic driving power, it will no longer be the worlds richest country, and it will no longer be the most affluent country and eventually its military will be surpassed in size and technology. the Chinese, a communist country, will have successfully overtaken the USA in terms of economics, and with the massive workforce to back them up, it is doubtful anyone will be able to top them for a very long time.

Wake up America, the world is changing, the western world needs you need to change with it.


This is so anti-american...

Its like going up to someone asking them why they are so much of a f*cck up and telling them in the future their mom's going to get raped by a sea monkey...

The US has been the target of naysayers for a while... first it was the japanese who was going to overtake the US, then it was the EU.... now its the chinese...
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: locutus12
Originally posted by: ScottFern
Because Brits have such a well adjusted view of America. Did anyone else see the latest Top Gear video? I don't think Clarkson could possibly bash the US anymore.

But I am sure I could find some uneducated Brits if I went to an economically poor section of England, tape it and say this is how all British people act.

so let me get this straight, im trying to debate the modern american political system and your trying to counter that with an example of a biggoted british TV presenter...

Originally posted by: sixone
Clinton was not impeached for cheating on his wife. Anyone who says he was is either a liar or stupid.

i never said he was impeached :/ i said they tried, i was using it as an example of a wast of time and resources and a classic example of one political side clutching at straws at the US tax payers expense to damage another.


uh he was impeached. no try about it.