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Jhhnn said:
Those weren't the things Shapiro was talking about at all. They're not things designed to help single mothers of any color. They're tangential to single mothers & the welfare of their children. He's just dog whistling the welfare ravers. But you're representing him as something else.
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It's so hard to talk to you. You are so incredibly erratic and in focused. I would normally spend time responding, but I'm helping take care of a newborn.

Your comment about Blacks was not needed.
 
realibrad said:
Now may I ask, do you find that reasonable? I get you might disagree, but, is it reasonable?
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If that's where he starts his debate, then no, he's not reasonable. If that's where he starts his investigation and deep dive into the context of all of the factors that might play a role rather than presenting something as a correlation without anything substantive, then he isn't interested in learning or discussion. He's driving an agenda and not arguing in good faith.
 
Only 25% of the country is racist, sexist, bigoted and intolerant? That number seems low since it pretty well defines Trumps base, which is over 30%. As others have mentioned, it depends on how you define "political correctness".
 
jackstar7 said:
If that's where he starts his debate, then no, he's not reasonable. If that's where he starts his investigation and deep dive into the context of all of the factors that might play a role rather than presenting something as a correlation without anything substantive, then he isn't interested in learning or discussion. He's driving an agenda and not arguing in good faith.
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Well, he starts from the conservative perspective. That is that people need to have restrictions removed to allow the individual to make choices for himself. So when resources are taken from Black communities and then given back through programs that are run by the state, he expects negative out comes as Black people are just as able as anyone else to improve their lives.

That said, he appears to open himself up to debate. I would say that I think he does try to argue in good faith from a conservative point of view.

Being a conservative I do think that he over values religion and traditional values. He just seems willing to explain himself and debate others.
 
realibrad said:
It's so hard to talk to you. You are so incredibly erratic and in focused. I would normally spend time responding, but I'm helping take care of a newborn.

Your comment about Blacks was not needed.
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Your white knighting of Shapiro is offensive. He's dog whistling. How do I know? Your comment below is vague & misleading-

realibrad said:
Well, Shapiro points out that even though we had the civil rights movement, Blacks seem to be suffering more in things like single mothers. Being raised by a single mother has very large correlations with negative out comes. Thus he said the policies that are meant to help Blacks might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful.

Would that be an example of something you are looking for?
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What do we actually do for low income single mothers of any color? Medicaid. SNAP benefits. Housing assistance. Daycare so they can work. Educational benefits. Counseling. And not necessarily all of that, either.

So what else is there? You tell me. Tell me what policies Shapiro is talking about.

Then tell me how any of that policy is counterproductive, that it somehow "might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful."
 
Jhhnn said:
Your white knighting of Shapiro is offensive. He's dog whistling. How do I know? Your comment below is vague & misleading-



What do we actually do for low income single mothers of any color? Medicaid. SNAP benefits. Housing assistance. Daycare so they can work. Educational benefits. Counseling. And not necessarily all of that, either.

So what else is there? You tell me. Tell me what policies Shapiro is talking about.

Then tell me how any of that policy is counterproductive, that it somehow "might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful."
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I'm going to respond once.

Those assistance programs for single mothers cannot undo the other policies that harm black communities. As I already said, the war on drugs has disproportionately affected Black communities more. The fathers of children are more likely to go to prison. They are also more likely to die from murder as murder has far too often been the main cause of death for young males.

Black start behind because of the aforementioned, and fall further behind as Black males have less access to assistance than their Black female counterparts.

When the assistance programs are meant to help women more than men, the men fall further behind increasingly driving more single mother households.

Help needs to come to Black males too as they seem to be underserved.
 
As Ben Shapiro has stated, staying out of poverty really isn't that difficult.

1. Graduate High School
2. Get married before having babies
3. Get a job


Is that honestly a difficult concept?
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
As Ben Shapiro has stated, staying out of poverty really isn't that difficult.

1. Graduate High School
2. Get married before having babies
3. Get a job


Is that honestly a difficult concept?
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Oh wow, that's so simple. I wonder why no one thought of following these 3 steps before. I think we can do better though, try to streamline it a bit.

Here's my take on what you have to do to stay out of poverty, I call it Ecogen's 1 rule for success.

Rule 1: Stay out of poverty.

And there you have it.

Fucking moron.

People are actually fucking taking the guy that pens articles for Breitbart and unironically posts shit like this seriously. JFC.

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realibrad said:
Well, he starts from the conservative perspective. That is that people need to have restrictions removed to allow the individual to make choices for himself. So when resources are taken from Black communities and then given back through programs that are run by the state, he expects negative out comes as Black people are just as able as anyone else to improve their lives.

That said, he appears to open himself up to debate. I would say that I think he does try to argue in good faith from a conservative point of view.

Being a conservative I do think that he over values religion and traditional values. He just seems willing to explain himself and debate others.
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Then I don't believe you know what it is to argue in good faith.
 
jackstar7 said:
Then I don't believe you know what it is to argue in good faith.
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Three parts to me.

Framing the situation honestly.
Not twisting any opposing views on purpose.
Putting forth ideas and or solutions that one believes could solve the problem.

Wiki definition says it better.

"Good faith (Latin: bona fides), in human interactions, is a sincere intention to be fair, open, and honest, regardless of the outcome of the interaction."
 
realibrad said:
I'm going to respond once.

Those assistance programs for single mothers cannot undo the other policies that harm black communities. As I already said, the war on drugs has disproportionately affected Black communities more. The fathers of children are more likely to go to prison. They are also more likely to die from murder as murder has far too often been the main cause of death for young males.

Black start behind because of the aforementioned, and fall further behind as Black males have less access to assistance than their Black female counterparts.

When the assistance programs are meant to help women more than men, the men fall further behind increasingly driving more single mother households.

Help needs to come to Black males too as they seem to be underserved.
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You merely deflect & obfuscate away from Shapiro's dog whistling.
 
realibrad said:
Three parts to me.

Framing the situation honestly.
Not twisting any opposing views on purpose.
Putting forth ideas and or solutions that one believes could solve the problem.

Wiki definition says it better.

"Good faith (Latin: bona fides), in human interactions, is a sincere intention to be fair, open, and honest, regardless of the outcome of the interaction."
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Open is the key operator when it comes to looking at Shapiro. He is not.

One should enter a discussion looking to learn, not looking to win.
 
realibrad said:
I think we are at the point again where you can't keep up.
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I'm keeping up just fine. When I point out the policies applicable to low income single parents in general, the ones Shapiro is actually talking about as being wasteful & counter productive, You deflect to the WoD, black homicide rates & underserved black men as if that has any bearing on it.

If we ended the WoD tomorrow it wouldn't change the need or benefit of the programs I mentioned earlier any time RSN. Guys like Shapiro would just sweep them out the door with the WoD because that's the real problem in the first place, according to the usual conservative logic. With bootstraps, of course.
 
Jhhnn said:
I'm keeping up just fine. When I point out the policies applicable to low income single parents in general, the ones Shapiro is actually talking about as being wasteful & counter productive, You deflect to the WoD, black homicide rates & underserved black men as if that has any bearing on it.

If we ended the WoD tomorrow it wouldn't change the need or benefit of the programs I mentioned earlier any time RSN. Guys like Shapiro would just sweep them out the door with the WoD because that's the real problem in the first place, according to the usual conservative logic. With bootstraps, of course.
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Just because you think it's wrong does not make it unreasonable. He may very well be wrong, but, he is reasonable.
 
realibrad said:
Just because you think it's wrong does not make it unreasonable. He may very well be wrong, but, he is reasonable.
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It is not just wrong it is unreasonable because he is, at best, talking about one problem and then proposing solutions to another problem.
Removing assistance to people already in the situation does not solve the problem of people being in that situation. Saying 'we have to many black single mothers, lets remove assistance to single mothers' does not make less single mothers. The only way that would work is if we assumed that black mothers are single because we give assistance for them, and since those same programs are available to everyone not just single black mothers, it is just another way of saying black people are lazy and won't work to improve themselves if you don't force them to. That is why it is dog whistle and not a reasonable argument.
 
realibrad said:
Three parts to me.

Framing the situation honestly.
Not twisting any opposing views on purpose.
Putting forth ideas and or solutions that one believes could solve the problem.

Wiki definition says it better.

"Good faith (Latin: bona fides), in human interactions, is a sincere intention to be fair, open, and honest, regardless of the outcome of the interaction."
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Anyone who thinks Ben Shapiro of all people frames situations honestly and refrains from twisting opposing ideas on purpose has either never listened to or read anything he has written or doesn’t understand what words mean.
 
SMOGZINN said:
It is not just wrong it is unreasonable because he is, at best, talking about one problem and then proposing solutions to another problem.
Removing assistance to people already in the situation does not solve the problem of people being in that situation. Saying 'we have to many black single mothers, lets remove assistance to single mothers' does not make less single mothers. The only way that would work is if we assumed that black mothers are single because we give assistance for them, and since those same programs are available to everyone not just single black mothers, it is just another way of saying black people are lazy and won't work to improve themselves if you don't force them to. That is why it is dog whistle and not a reasonable argument.
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Nobody said to remove assistance. Examine does not mean remove. Your whole point is built upon that.
 
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