Americans Strongly Dislike Political Correctness Culture

[Lanyap]

I have not seen any major revamp in how chairs are made.

Obviously you have not seen an increase in "bariatric" chairs. I'm seeing them more often in doctor's offices and hospitals but you can see them in many offices where people wait.

 

[Lanyap]

Oh nose. Leave my mansize Kleenex alone. I'm a manly man and I need a mansize kleenex when I blow my nose. A regular size or womansize Kleenex will not do.

Kleenex to rebrand 'mansize' tissues after gender complaints
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...nd-mansize-tissues-gender-complaints-58582322

Kleenex will re-brand its "Mansize" tissues after consumers complained the name was sexist — touching off a social media conversation about what's in a name.

The company behind Kleenex, Kimberly-Clark, said Thursday that the product, which is sold only in the U.K., will now be called "Kleenex Extra Large." Packages for the tissues describe them as "confidently strong" and "comfortingly soft."

Kimberly-Clark told Britain's Daily Telegraph that it in "no way suggests" that being both soft and strong was "an exclusively masculine trait, nor do we believe that the Mansize branding suggests or endorses gender inequality."

"We are always grateful to customers who take time to tell us how our products can be improved, and we carefully consider all suggestions," the company said in a statement.

The tissues, which had been on shelves for 60 years, were launched at a time when large cotton handkerchiefs were still very popular and the brand offered "a unique disposable alternative," the company said. It remains one of their most popular products, with over 3.4 million people buying the tissues every year.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh nose. Leave my mansize Kleenex alone. I'm a manly man and I need a mansize kleenex when I blow my nose. A regular size or womansize Kleenex will not do.

Kleenex to rebrand 'mansize' tissues after gender complaints
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...nd-mansize-tissues-gender-complaints-58582322

Sometimes I wonder if such complaints aren't just Alt-right trolling of manufacturers.

 

[Zorba]

Sometimes I wonder if such complaints aren't just Alt-right trolling of manufacturers.

That could be. Either way the internet gives extremely small groups undue influence over the conversation. Sometimes that is a good thing, sometimes it is bad.

One newer PC push that I am not sure about is the "it's ok to be overweight" push. It is good in that it promotes positive body feelings. But some of it to me seems to discourage physical activity and healthy diet, which I don't think is good. There is a lot out there that I think does promote healthy lifestyle and healthy body image, but some people/organizations seem to be just making it a PC push without any of the healthy lifestyle angles.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Obviously you have not seen an increase in "bariatric" chairs. I'm seeing them more often in doctor's offices and hospitals but you can see them in many offices where people wait.

I've seen them, but almost exclusively at places where you would expect to have a large number of obese people. If your audience is mostly deaf don't expect clapping. If your audience is overweight get bigger chairs. Business don't do this to be politically correct, they do it so they don't have to replace broken chairs so often. This is common sense. Most places still have normal sized chairs.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That could be. Either way the internet gives extremely small groups undue influence over the conversation. Sometimes that is a good thing, sometimes it is bad.

One newer PC push that I am not sure about is the "it's ok to be overweight" push. It is good in that it promotes positive body feelings. But some of it to me seems to discourage physical activity and healthy diet, which I don't think is good. There is a lot out there that I think does promote healthy lifestyle and healthy body image, but some people/organizations seem to be just making it a PC push without any of the healthy lifestyle angles.

Yet there are certain realities. Political correctness can’t cure diabetes. Pronouns can’t change how procreation works or other biological and genetic realities.

 

[jackstar7]

Yet there are certain realities. Political correctness can’t cure diabetes. Pronouns can’t change how procreation works or other biological and genetic realities.

Yeah, but they can demonstrate a basic sense of human decency and respect for others, something conservatives frequently claim is lacking in society, never once considering why that is so...

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah, but they can demonstrate a basic sense of human decency and respect for others, something conservatives frequently claim is lacking in society, never once considering why that is so...

The whole argument around political correctness is respecting the line between decency and respect AND allowing for parody when protectionism deviates towards the absurd.

 

[jackstar7]

The whole argument around political correctness is respecting the line between decency and respect AND allowing for parody when protectionism deviates towards the absurd.

But there's a large swath of people fighting on the side of "parody" in bad faith. They only want to continue disrespect and hostility.

Also the scope of what is absurd is skewed by the "norms" which are planted on shifting sand.

 

[Starbuck1975]

But there's a large swath of people fighting on the side of "parody" in bad faith. They only want to continue disrespect and hostility.

Also the scope of what is absurd is skewed by the "norms" which are planted on shifting sand.

Normative is irrelevant. South Park is hilarious no matter who they skewer.

You are right about one thing. It’s the intent that matters. Humor intended to inspire cheers instead of laughs is done in poor faith, and is not really humor

 

[realibrad]

Neat. I was talking about you citing Shapiro as someone who put forward reasonable arguments.

Circle back to that and please present them.

Well, Shapiro points out that even though we had the civil rights movement, Blacks seem to be suffering more in things like single mothers. Being raised by a single mother has very large correlations with negative out comes. Thus he said the policies that are meant to help Blacks might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful.

Would that be an example of something you are looking for?

 

[jackstar7]

Well, Shapiro points out that even though we had the civil rights movement, Blacks seem to be suffering more in things like single mothers. Being raised by a single mother has very large correlations with negative out comes. Thus he said the policies that are meant to help Blacks might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful.

Would that be an example of something you are looking for?

Do you find that to be a reasonable argument? You're the one making the qualitative judgement here.

 

[jackstar7]

Normative is irrelevant. South Park is hilarious no matter who they skewer.

You are right about one thing. It’s the intent that matters. Humor intended to inspire cheers instead of laughs is done in poor faith, and is not really humor

You think all of SP has aged well and remains funny (maybe the most subjective of concepts, by the way)?

It sounds like your issue is with satire and not parody, or do you consider those of the same?

 

[realibrad]

And you tried to set him up as being persecuted when controversy is what he lives for. He's like the Alt-Right- he starts shit just to get the attention. He's not a victim of violence- He's a beneficiary.

That is twisted logic, and yet, still does not address the point. He says what conservatives have said for years, yet he is met with violence.

What he does to get attention is to say things that a conservative would say, and then shows the overreaction.

Calling for less free speech is wrong, but, it's not violence worthy. So far that is the only specific thing you have said.

 

[realibrad]

Do you find that to be a reasonable argument? You're the one making the qualitative judgement here.

Yes, I think it's reasonable to think that policies meant to help might be hurting when the outcomes do not match the expectations.

The measurement in this case is the correlations of outcomes with the timing of the policies.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, Shapiro points out that even though we had the civil rights movement, Blacks seem to be suffering more in things like single mothers. Being raised by a single mother has very large correlations with negative out comes. Thus he said the policies that are meant to help Blacks might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful.

Would that be an example of something you are looking for?

So what? Offer up an alternative. Well, other than fuck them little black bastids.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You think all of SP has aged well and remains funny (maybe the most subjective of concepts, by the way)?

Some humor is timeless, some is contextual. Manbearpig is eternal.

It sounds like you're issue is with satire and not parody, or do you consider those of the same?

I don’t have a problem with either so long as its not done with malicious intent.

 

[jackstar7]

Yes, I think it's reasonable to think that policies meant to help might be hurting when the outcomes do not match the expectations.

The measurement in this case is the correlations of outcomes with the timing of the policies.

Okay. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I normally don't comment on these "PC" threads because it becomes pointless. PC is effectively a snarl word, a thought terminating cliche. It is, ironically given its origins, an attempt to shut down debate. Modern debate and discourse seems to be chock-full of such "thought-terminating cliches" from both right and left. Any nuanced discussion can be avoided as long as something can be labelled with a handy, ill-defined pejorative. "racist" "sexist" "snowflake" "SJW" "anti-Semitic" "homophobic" "misogynistic" etc. then debate is no longer useful and in some cases not even possible.

The principle behind it is easy to fathom. Thinking careful about grey areas is hard and uncomfortable. It may lead you into awkward, conflicting places. Far simpler to just stick a rhetorical yellow star on a point of view and have done with it, problem solved. Plus there is a ready-made mob out there in the social media sphere who will lazily and thoughtlessly jump in to support/condemn whatever position you take/decry. You can feel vindicated about absolutely anything at the drop of a hat. No actual argument required, no work to be done at all.

In todays world of social media, the people who take rabid exception to "PC" are normally those who do not wish to be courteous or polite, and call the trappings of being a decent person "just being PC"

PC is a snarl word, used to justify being rude and insulting, and claiming that anyone offended by bigoted, misogynistic, or homophobic speech is just being PC.

For a type of PC I believe most people find ridiculous: The first thing to pop in my mind was something from many years ago, demanding to stop the use of the words "master" and "slave" in hardware.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/masterslave/

 

[realibrad]

So what? Offer up an alternative. Well, other than fuck them little black bastids.

Jesus man. You honestly think that is MY position? Of all our conversations, what in the world would make you say that.

Here is some low hanging fruit... find ways of serving justice by finding other things beyond jail. Include programs that teach job skills to give a path after jail.

End the war on drugs that bring disproportionate levels of violence into communities which breeds more destabilizing effects and even more violence.

How about that?

 

[realibrad]

Okay. Thank you for clarifying.

Now may I ask, do you find that reasonable? I get you might disagree, but, is it reasonable?

 

[ecogen]

Well, Shapiro points out that even though we had the civil rights movement, Blacks seem to be suffering more in things like single mothers. Being raised by a single mother has very large correlations with negative out comes. Thus he said the policies that are meant to help Blacks might actually be at best wasteful and at worst harmful.

Would that be an example of something you are looking for?

Ben Shapiro lol. Guy's a fucking clown, he compared healthcare to a luxury couch. Makes sense someone like you would unironically listen to him.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jesus man. You honestly think that is MY position? Of all our conversations, what in the world would make you say that.

Here is some low hanging fruit... find ways of serving justice by finding other things beyond jail. Include programs that teach job skills to give a path after jail.

End the war on drugs that bring disproportionate levels of violence into communities which breeds more destabilizing effects and even more violence.

How about that?

Those weren't the things Shapiro was talking about at all. They're not things designed to help single mothers of any color. They're tangential to single mothers & the welfare of their children. He's just dog whistling the welfare ravers. But you're representing him as something else.

 

[realibrad]

Ben Shapiro lol. Guy's a fucking clown, he compared healthcare to a luxury couch. Makes sense someone like you would unironically listen to him.

Someone like me? Have we ever talked?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I've NEVER heard a conservative offer to bring up the topic of race to have a frank and honest discussion. Its always the left who want to deal with it and the right just bitches about it.

There's no chance in the world that a lefty can or would have an honest and frank discussion about anything, let alone about race. Especially in a place like this.