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Americans Strongly Dislike Political Correctness Culture

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Vic said:
I'm sure you're misconstruing this somehow, or taking it out of context, because the discussion of how some groups of people are more likely to be victimized by institutionalized racism is an SJW favorite.
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Nope, but I wish I were. The very explanation given to you was also used and the response was that it nakedly resembled stealth racism. Try and figure out that statement lol.
 
realibrad said:
There was a point in society were Blacks were not seen as inherent slaves, and helped fight in the Revolutionary War. Then, society shifted. That shift was to an extreme, and became the new normal.

So what is your point?
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Just that normal is defined by popularity, so that saying something like 'the people are extreme' is nonsensical.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Just that normal is defined by popularity, so that saying something like 'the people are extreme' is nonsensical.
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Not if you believe that there is a foundation to human decency.

But, lets not get bogged down in the meaning of extreme. Lest you be called a quibbler lol.
 
The larger problem with PC culture is not people getting in trouble for what they say, though this happens and not infrequently. It's what we can't say. Like ever having a candid and honest discussion about race and gender because everyone is too afraid that something they say will be labeled racist or sexist.

Obviously some of the speech which is deterred is genuinely offensive, but not all of it. This isn't just about the n-word and other obvious slurs anymore.
 
woolfe9998 said:
The larger problem with PC culture is not people getting in trouble for what they say, though this happens and not infrequently. It's what we can't say. Like ever having a candid and honest discussion about race and gender because everyone is too afraid that something they say will be labeled racist or sexist.

Obviously some of the speech which is deterred is genuinely offensive, but not all of it. This isn't just about the n-word and other obvious slurs anymore.
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I'd counter that moving forward requires much more listening than talking from white people.
 
woolfe9998 said:
One can both listen and talk. It's how we have a national conversation.

No one likes to the told to shut up, no matter their skin color. This is why "PC" has an unsavory connotation and why it doesn't help democrats in elections.
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But the counterpoint is when did white people ever stop talking long enough to listen?

I believe there are white people who are allies and do listen, but white people as a whole never stop yelling about their own oppression to listen, much less consider, the reality of people of color in America.

The media doesn't help either on this one... often even when it tries.
 
jackstar7 said:
But the counterpoint is when did white people ever stop talking long enough to listen?

I believe there are white people who are allies and do listen, but white people as a whole never stop yelling about their own oppression to listen, much less consider, the reality of people of color in America.

The media doesn't help either on this one... often even when it tries.
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Certain white people need to stop yelling about their phony oppression for sure. But telling them to shut up about race and gender just makes them feel more oppressed. I know what these people are thinking, that we used to be able to speak freely and now we cannot because we have to watch everything we say. If we make an honest mistake in how we word something, we get a very pejorative label applied to us. It feels authoritarian.

I think there's a perception among white, and apparently, Hispanic, Asian and Native American voters, that the left is all about identity politics and PC. Not all of those voters are conservative. Some range from center-left to center-right.

We can debate this all day but I think it's pretty clear that it's not a good selling point for dems. In 2020, I hope we go light on the identity politics and heavy on other important policy issues.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Certain white people need to stop yelling about their phony oppression for sure. But telling them to shut up about race and gender just makes them feel more oppressed. I know what these people are thinking, that we used to be able to speak freely and now we cannot because we have to watch everything we say. If we make an honest mistake in how we word something, we get a very pejorative label applied to us. It feels authoritarian.

I think there's a perception among white, and apparently, Hispanic, Asian and Native American voters, that the left is all about identity politics and PC. Not all of those voters are conservative. Some range from center-left to center-right.

We can debate this all day but I think it's pretty clear that it's not a good selling point for dems. In 2020, I hope we go light on the identity politics and heavy on other important policy issues.
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I don't disagree that it sucks in a strategic sense, but to me the problem is one of respect and those who refuse to even consider it towards people they see as part of an underclass, as though treating everyone like a human being comes at a cost in today's life.

Identity is a part of our lives. Threats to it are felt DEEP. Avoiding this is a long-term problem.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Just that normal is defined by popularity, so that saying something like 'the people are extreme' is nonsensical.
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So you don't think Nazism was an extreme because it was normal in Germany in the 1930s? Just because something is common, doesn't mean it isn't extreme.
 
jackstar7 said:
I'd counter that moving forward requires much more listening than talking from white people.
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Which white people? White people are not a homogenous group, and come from a vast and diverse set of socio- economic, cultural, religious and educational backgrounds that influence how they approach any conversation on race.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Which white people? White people are not a homogenous group, and come from a vast and diverse set of socio- economic, cultural, religious and educational backgrounds that influence how they approach any conversation on race.
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synecdoche

But since you're asking a disingenuous question, I'll give a glib answer: Republicans and other racist white people.
 
Jhhnn said:
Which is why the GOP tries to pin that label on Dems in general.
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When it is vastly Republican white people claiming victimhood at every opportunity and trying to protect their own feelings from rebuke of a society that has lost interest in their bullshit.
 
woolfe9998 said:
The larger problem with PC culture is not people getting in trouble for what they say, though this happens and not infrequently. It's what we can't say. Like ever having a candid and honest discussion about race and gender because everyone is too afraid that something they say will be labeled racist or sexist.

Obviously some of the speech which is deterred is genuinely offensive, but not all of it. This isn't just about the n-word and other obvious slurs anymore.
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I've NEVER heard a conservative offer to bring up the topic of race to have a frank and honest discussion. Its always the left who want to deal with it and the right just bitches about it.
 
HomerJS said:
I've NEVER heard a conservative offer to bring up the topic of race to have a frank and honest discussion. Its always the left who want to deal with it and the right just bitches about it.
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And on the rare occasion when they do it is to trot out the old 'colored people are inherently less intelligent/civilized/developed then white people' to explain why they are discriminated against, and then get all upset about political correctness when people tells them that is racist.
 
HomerJS said:
I've NEVER heard a conservative offer to bring up the topic of race to have a frank and honest discussion. Its always the left who want to deal with it and the right just bitches about it.
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I get the sense that a vast majority on the right simply want a fast forward button that magically skips to some point in the future when race is only skin deep, and all Americans are homogeneous in nature and culture...and race is completely irrelevant to one’s acceptance in society, educational prospects, employment prospects...in general race is irrelevant to one’s pursuit of life, liberty, or propert..err..”happiness”. No more affirmative action, no more multiculturalism, [likely no more immigration—anyone of color would already be 3-4+ generations American.]

They hope for a time when black people can be completely oblivious to their ancestors’ prior enslavement, who benefitted from their enslavement, and the struggle for civil rights (and who resisted those efforts.) Like, why can’t the past just be the past and move on??? Why they gotta be triggered by old statues??? I guess dealing with recent history and confronting an even uglier past is an inconvenience for white conservatives??
 
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