Originally posted by: Stunt
I reject the vast majority of state, I see it as a regulating body and as law enforcement.
So would you support eliminating all income taxes and not replacing them with any other tax?
I do think Canada, and America's way of life would be hurt significantly by the void of some state. From an economic point of view, we would be better off, but from a social rights and freedom point of view, i think many would be hung out to dry.
I disagree. I think social rights and freedom would thrive. The main reason why is that we would have freedom of association and our communities would have the power to permanently expel unwanted individuals from business and residential communities.
When I go to these big cities like L.A. and New York I see a civilization in decline. I see these filthy hoodlums walking the streets, corrupting the youth and impeding business.
I walked into a Wendy's in downtown San Diego the other day. I saw an extremely dirty homeless woman walking around in there. I saw her beg some woman for money while she was trying to eat. Fortunately, the manager made her leave. Then, I went into the restroom and saw gangster tagg nonesense scribbled ALL over the walls. I come back out, and what do I run into? Nothing other but another gangster rap hoodlum with his headphones blasting rap so loud I could hear it all the way across the restaraunt.
I do not mean to disparage homeless people or wannabe gangsters who grew up without any kind of a real family. But I do not see how they have a right to walk around anywhere they please, right up to any business or house and do whatever they want.
I would say these problems are the
least of what some of these perpetrators are up to. No doubt countless murders, rapes and robberies have ocurred because society has no way of expelling these individuals who commit crime after crime. We are supposed to rely on a bureaucratically elected and operated police department to deal with these unwanted individuals. I think it is outrageous.
Fact of the matter is, we both have no examples of this sort of environment working as your only example (somolia) is not what you are advocating; you also neglect to notice that our economies as we have them today were built on heavy state oriented economies.
We have no examples because no large group is willing to give up the accepted dogma and experiment with a stateless society. They have cropped up in history. Economist David Friedman has written about medieval iceland as an example. But you are right, no good modern example exists. The simple reason why is that authoritarianism has swept the planet. Nontheless, I do consider some of the developments in Somalia to be fascinating.
While i do feel the need to make a pro-state arguement relative to you; I'm not the type to really give the state all that much credit...I hope you aren't expecting a lively debate out of me Dissipate
What I think you should do is at least advocate drastic reductions in the size and scope of the state. So once again, would you support eliminating all income taxes?
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