"American Owned" Banner: Racist?

[aplefka]

I just spent 10 minutes reading this thread, and I feel as if I lost a few brain cells. Some of you people are absolute fvcking morons. It really scares me to think that someday some of us AT users could head into positions where we have big responsibilities.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: NickelTitanium
The business that has a "American-Owned" Banner outside is considered racist or not? I believe it is. It is as good as stating "White-Owned"

If I were to be of Indian descent but was born here, could I post such a banner? The customers wouldn't think I was American just because I have dark skin.

What does the "American-Owned" Banner mean to you than just the obvious...?

You say volumes about your own prejudices in that statement.
ANY American citizen can say "American Owned" and that includes naturalized citizens as well.
To equate "white" with "American" plays into a field that is murky and evil, in MY not so humble opinion.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I really think my post wasn't out there though. Hes obviously taking the redneck point of view with "Real men carry guns", but would he abide by that statement? No. He wouldn't, if a brown dude with a turban down the street has a gun hes prob gonna report him.

You have no way whatsoever of knowing that. The only basis you have for making that claim is a stereotype and even if you're right (which you may very well _not_ be), you're still stereotyping and relying upon the same logic as a racist.

ZV

Racism against minorities is much more complex and problematic than me stereotyping a redneck whose only addition to this conversation was "get a gun". I think you need to get your priorities straight bud. Or maybe you are supporting this guy for other reasons...?

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
The irony these days is the ones crying "racism" all the time are usually more racist than the people they accuse.

Evidenced by the OP.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: NickelTitanium
Having that sign in a Big City vs. a Small Town would be quite different? Have you folx gone into a restaurant and have everyone stare just because you are the wrong color?
I wish that I would give everyone the benefit of the doubt but history does not dictate.

Don't answer based on a "We" mentality but an "I" mentality. Mob mentality is a very dangerous thing. (KKK)

Listen JUnior, for about 5 years starting when I was 16 , I was the ONLY white person in the clubs the bands I used to play with. YES, I know what it's like. I also know that after most of them got over the shock, of an underaged person being in the nightclub, they went about their business.
BTW, I DO speak jive. </Airplane II reference>

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I think you need to get your priorities straight bud.

so you think our priority needs to be to stop minority racism but allow majority racism?
why does everyone have to hate the rednecks? 🙁

 

[Cattlegod]

you are stupid.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: NickelTitanium
Having that sign in a Big City vs. a Small Town would be quite different? Have you folx gone into a restaurant and have everyone stare just because you are the wrong color?
I wish that I would give everyone the benefit of the doubt but history does not dictate.

Don't answer based on a "We" mentality but an "I" mentality. Mob mentality is a very dangerous thing. (KKK)

Yes, I have. I've gone into places that are predominantly black, and been stared at like I didn't belong there.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant is it. You're trying to prove that racism only goes in one direction. My bad.

Didn't you get the memo? Racism only exists when it is white people judging ANYONE else, regardless of whether they are actually a race or not. Your story reminds me of a job I once had. Walked in the first day to find I was the only white guy among a whole crew of Blacks and Hispanics. They treated me like pure sh!t for months. Calling me names, harrassing me, trying to get me to do more work than was my job. Nice impression they left on me. I didn't cave in to their crap so finally they accepted me...but it is obvious they were a bunch of prejudicial racist jerks, huh?

What happened to you sucks dude. Honestly. But how do you know those other people didn't face the same racism from us (whites) and just prejudged you because of your skin color and previous experience. The fact is we had a whole Manifest Destiny thing going on that was a lot different than just plain prejudice. We believed the world was ours by word of God. That has left a sour taste in many peoples mouths. But w/e racism you experience in regular life - just remember we still control this country and we always have. We've never been disenfranchised, pushed to the side etc. So we don't really know how it feels.

 

[EyeMNathan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: NickelTitanium
Having that sign in a Big City vs. a Small Town would be quite different? Have you folx gone into a restaurant and have everyone stare just because you are the wrong color?
I wish that I would give everyone the benefit of the doubt but history does not dictate.

Don't answer based on a "We" mentality but an "I" mentality. Mob mentality is a very dangerous thing. (KKK)

Yes, I have. I've gone into places that are predominantly black, and been stared at like I didn't belong there.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant is it. You're trying to prove that racism only goes in one direction. My bad.

Didn't you get the memo? Racism only exists when it is white people judging ANYONE else, regardless of whether they are actually a race or not. Your story reminds me of a job I once had. Walked in the first day to find I was the only white guy among a whole crew of Blacks and Hispanics. They treated me like pure sh!t for months. Calling me names, harrassing me, trying to get me to do more work than was my job. Nice impression they left on me. I didn't cave in to their crap so finally they accepted me...but it is obvious they were a bunch of prejudicial racist jerks, huh?

What happened to you sucks dude. Honestly. But how do you know those other people didn't face the same racism from us (whites) and just prejudged you because of your skin color and previous experience. The fact is we had a whole Manifest Destiny thing going on that was a lot different than just plain prejudice. We believed the world was ours by word of God. That has left a sour taste in many peoples mouths. But w/e racism you experience in regular life - just remember we still control this country and we always have. We've never been disenfranchised, pushed to the side etc. So we don't really know how it feels.

Ever been poor Proletariat?

 

[EKKC]

i should post a banner that says:

"Americans. Owned."

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I really think my post wasn't out there though. Hes obviously taking the redneck point of view with "Real men carry guns", but would he abide by that statement? No. He wouldn't, if a brown dude with a turban down the street has a gun hes prob gonna report him.

You have no way whatsoever of knowing that. The only basis you have for making that claim is a stereotype and even if you're right (which you may very well _not_ be), you're still stereotyping and relying upon the same logic as a racist.

ZV

Racism against minorities is much more complex and problematic than me stereotyping a redneck whose only addition to this conversation was "get a gun". I think you need to get your priorities straight bud. Or maybe you are supporting this guy for other reasons...?

No, it's not any worse when it's against minorities. It's _exactly_ the same faulty logic both ways. My priority is the elimination of faulty logic, regardless of which direction the fault points.

Thanks for the poorly-veiled ad-hom attack suggesting that I'm racist as well. If you had any legitimate reason on which to base it, I'd be ashamed. But since you're simply basing it on your own pre-existing prejudices, I'm simply offended.

ZV

 

[Amused]

COOL!!

I'm part of the "American Race!!!"

The idea that a sign denoting national origin would be considered "racist" is simply absurd and shows just how abused the race card has become.

"American" is not a "race." It is a nationality. There are Americans of all races.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
COOL!!

I'm part of the "American Race!!!"

The idea that a sign denoting national origin would be considered "racist" is simply absurd and shows just how abused the race card has become.

"American" is not a "race." It is a nationality. There are Americans of all races.

Shhhh! Quiet! Logic has no place in this thread, as Proletariat illustrates.

ZV

 

[FoBoT]

maybe this is a thinly veiled anti-american thread. the OP probably hates america and all amerians of all races

 

[Amused]

Guys, ignore Proletariat the troll.

He likes to wallow in his white liberal guilt and will do anything to ignore reality. He's a disillusioned little college kid who wears Che shirts and preaches Marxism as if it were something good.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Amused
Guys, ignore Proletariat the troll.

He likes to wallow in his white liberal guilt and will do anything to ignore reality. He's a disillusioned little college kid who wears Che shirts and preaches Marxism as if it were something good.

Hey, don't lump him with some of us. I consider myself to be moderate but around where I live I'm considered to be liberal. Just because he's trolling this thread much like the OP doesn't mean we all are. I think this thread is a total fvcking joke.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Amused
COOL!!

I'm part of the "American Race!!!"

The idea that a sign denoting national origin would be considered "racist" is simply absurd and shows just how abused the race card has become.

"American" is not a "race." It is a nationality. There are Americans of all races.

*ding* *ding* *ding*

We have a winner!

I am of French-Canadian decent. But God dammit, I AM AMERICAN!!!!

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
[What happened to you sucks dude. Honestly. But how do you know those other people didn't face the same racism from us (whites) and just prejudged you because of your skin color and previous experience. The fact is we had a whole Manifest Destiny thing going on that was a lot different than just plain prejudice. We believed the world was ours by word of God. That has left a sour taste in many peoples mouths. But w/e racism you experience in regular life - just remember we still control this country and we always have. We've never been disenfranchised, pushed to the side etc. So we don't really know how it feels.

Excuse me , but the Irish and Scots that came during the Potato Famine were most certainly disenfranchised and pushed aside. Apperently you've never seen the photos from that era saying "No Irish need apply!", or read any of the Anti Catholic propaganda tracts that still exist in museums.
ALL Imigrants to a country undergo an era of prejudice and discrimination, then gradual acceptance as they assimilate into the existing culture and ultimately move off of the bottom rung as the next wave of immigrants arrive.
Read and refelct on our recent history (recent = +/- 200 years) and see the truth behind what I'm saying. It is our nature to do so doesn't matter what race you claim.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: Amused
Guys, ignore Proletariat the troll.

He likes to wallow in his white liberal guilt and will do anything to ignore reality. He's a disillusioned little college kid who wears Che shirts and preaches Marxism as if it were something good.

Hey, don't lump him with some of us. I consider myself to be moderate but around where I live I'm considered to be liberal. Just because he's trolling this thread much like the OP doesn't mean we all are. I think this thread is a total fvcking joke.

There are liberals (I'm even liberal on many issues) and there is white liberal guilt. Do not confuse the two.

 

[stars]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Please tell me where I have specifically been racist against my own ethnic group in this thread?

Yea and if Mr. Punjabi down the street carried a gun you'd haul him off to jail

Pretty clear implication that all of us white guys want to put anyone different from us in jail while reserving rights for ourselves.

ZV

Ok point taken.

But did you read the guys post before that? For some reason you chose to take that out of context. The previous poster said:

Originally posted by: stars
Racism is only endured by children and the weak. Real men carry guns.

How ridiculous is the above statement? If anything I think it was pretty decent of me not to take it ALL the way down to his level. I really think my post wasn't out there though. Hes obviously taking the redneck point of view with "Real men carry guns", but would he abide by that statement? No. He wouldn't, if a brown dude with a turban down the street has a gun hes prob gonna report him.

The comment by me above that you quoted was a joke and an attempt for you to see the comedy of this thread and relax. In hope that you would remove the stick from your ass. Apparently that failed.

The title ""American Owned" Banner: Racist?" alone is foolish enough. Much less having a challenged person such as yourself come along to actually feel the need to debate about the subject. If you would like to debate subjects that actually matter make a new thread with logical content. Then, maybe the weak attempts that you have displayed in this thread might convice us mere mortals of our wrong doings.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: EyeMNathan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: NickelTitanium
Having that sign in a Big City vs. a Small Town would be quite different? Have you folx gone into a restaurant and have everyone stare just because you are the wrong color?
I wish that I would give everyone the benefit of the doubt but history does not dictate.

Don't answer based on a "We" mentality but an "I" mentality. Mob mentality is a very dangerous thing. (KKK)

Yes, I have. I've gone into places that are predominantly black, and been stared at like I didn't belong there.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant is it. You're trying to prove that racism only goes in one direction. My bad.

Didn't you get the memo? Racism only exists when it is white people judging ANYONE else, regardless of whether they are actually a race or not. Your story reminds me of a job I once had. Walked in the first day to find I was the only white guy among a whole crew of Blacks and Hispanics. They treated me like pure sh!t for months. Calling me names, harrassing me, trying to get me to do more work than was my job. Nice impression they left on me. I didn't cave in to their crap so finally they accepted me...but it is obvious they were a bunch of prejudicial racist jerks, huh?

What happened to you sucks dude. Honestly. But how do you know those other people didn't face the same racism from us (whites) and just prejudged you because of your skin color and previous experience. The fact is we had a whole Manifest Destiny thing going on that was a lot different than just plain prejudice. We believed the world was ours by word of God. That has left a sour taste in many peoples mouths. But w/e racism you experience in regular life - just remember we still control this country and we always have. We've never been disenfranchised, pushed to the side etc. So we don't really know how it feels.

Ever been poor Proletariat?

Give it up....he is obvioulsly what I call a guilty elitest. He fails to see that prejudice and racism, regardless of origin are all the same. Where does it end? So Blacks and Hispanics are somehow allowed to be prejudiced because they were themselves the victims of prejudice? Where is that argument going to take you? Nowhere is the answer. You cannot absolve the guilt of a behavior by using the origin as an excuse. The buck has to stop somewhere, doesn't it? Or is it the responsibility of all the white people in the world to continue to bend over backwards doing everthing the minorities want as some sort of payback? Remeber that prejudice and racism is ALWAYS a two way street. You have to treat everyone the same and see how THEY act to determine where the real truth lies.

I have never in my life treated anyone of any race other than my own differently than I would treat the average white guy on the street. I treat everyone the same. I give everyone the same rope to hang themselves with. What I have found is that the majority of Blacks are definitely racist as are quite a few Hispanics. Asians and Indians (dot) are quite often condescending and elitest...no different than being racist since they feel that way because they think their race is superior (is Indian even a race? I do not know). I simply laugh at them all and go about my life. It doesn't affect me because I do not let it. I don't care about the origin of the racist feelings...it has been 40 years since the Civil Rights Act....get over it people, most white people have as most simply don't put much thought into it. At least most of the ones I know as they treat everyone the same.

What is truly sad is that racism today is a lot different than it was 50 years ago. 50 years ago it was about ignorance and fear, the Civil Rights Act took care of that one and made most see they were just being stupid and that people of all races COULD live together. Today alot of racism is based on experience which means it cannot be legislated away and it will stay with a person forever most likely....and it is valid from their point of view. So be careful what you say and do because you are shaping the world with your actions. Pulling the race card at every turn simply validates any ill will the average guy has towards a minority based on his experience so I fear the world is getting worse, not better.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Amused
COOL!!

I'm part of the "American Race!!!"

The idea that a sign denoting national origin would be considered "racist" is simply absurd and shows just how abused the race card has become.

"American" is not a "race." It is a nationality. There are Americans of all races.

Do you speak Americanese? 😉