American auto makers dont care about emissions

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
^^I think you've misinterpreted the results.

Toyota has a full lineup of vehicles. Their mix of global sales of SUVs (typical/luxury) is greater than Ford and likely comparable to GM. Yet Toyota still manages to have substantially lower global warming and smog scores.

I think you generally misinterpreted what I was saying. While the big 3 are not significant leaders in low emissions, most of their entrants are not excessively dirty and are for the most part competitive. I also think it was a big wrong of the paper to compare the then midsize tundra to the full size pickups from the big 3. Given the volume of trucks the big 3 sales, it would have greatly increased the 3-4% that ford/gm got in the class leader category.

I will say this, the new tundra is still probably cleaner than the big 3 truck offerings, however it is probably much closer now as their weight is more closely matched.

For some reason you are choosing to substitute your opinion for 'excessively dirty'. By your logic, no vehicle is excessively dirty as long as it still fits on a graph. As I noted previously, they did not report standard deviations but that's merely statistical significance. A vehicle that generates 10% more pollution (particular say ground level ozone) is significantly more dirty unless it's being compared to a vehicle that is ultra clean.

10% is not significant at least not in my book. It is a difference worth noting, but it does not make the vehicle significantly more dirty. But this is where the document was lacking because it only reported on the leader and not the group. Looking at the data I am willing to bet most vehicles are within 1 std dev and only a few that fall outside of 2 std dev. The only way to determine what is significant is too look at the group and not just the leader. Cost, weight and size would also have been interesting bits to look at as well in such a study.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Performance is very important to short men with inferior dicks. The auto is the modern equivalent of a mojo bag carried by a Neanderthal to show his sexual powers. And so the chimpanzee unconscious of imbeciles day by day destroys our world.

I was wonderingf about that...then expalin a tall man with a long dick driving a lambourgini..lol

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
2006 Silverado was 15 city/19hwy and probably didn't sniff within 15% of those numbers.
The 2007 claims 16/22 for the 5.3L v8. Fueleconomy.gov has NOT revised it upwards. In fact they expect 2008 rating to be 13 city and 18 hwy.

2007 Ridgeline 3.5L 15city/20hwy; 17 combined. More than 10% higher than the Silverado and a smaller drop by changing to the new EPA #s.
Having said that . . . Honda shouldn't brag about the Ridgeline. It's not exactly cutting edge. But it's much better than a Silverado.


2007 6L v8 Corvette 16 city/26hwy but only 19 combined.
2007 s2000 2.2L 18 city/24hwy; 20 combined.
2007 rx8 1.3L 16city 22hwy; 18combined

A little bit of apples and oranges action in this comparison. Technically, you could give Ford partial credit for the crappy rotary. Few would compare the handling of the Vette to an s2000. But paying an extra 300lbs to get another 160hp and more than 150% more torque for a push on the mileage . . . yeah, I think I would take the Vette, too.

The general theme doesn't change though. Honda's foul products are niches. GM's foul products are most of its bread and butter.

corvette z06 gets whacked with GAS GUZZLER tax due to new EPA

Although you are correct in this, you are..well...wrong about the bolded part. Ford has NEVER had a part in the rotary, or the wankle. If anyone should be givin credit for large scale production, it's Rolls Royce in the 50's.

Also, as far as crappy...you are well misinformed 🙂 Among other things, rotaries are ADORED in racing, airplanes due mostly to 1. the fact that they a full block only weighs 205 pounds, 2. there are only 8 moving parts in a rotary thus simple to maintain, and 3. they cant seize due to heat.

Another piece of trivia: RX7's have won more IMSA races than any other car in history. Also, won IMSA 24 hours of Daytona 10 years in a row. A feat no other car has ever done. There's lots more, but anyway. Crappy they arent 🙂

(sorry didnt mean to derail hehe)

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: ayabe
Yeah but your RX-7 also gets absolutely terrible gas mileage and probably belches more fumes than a Corvette or Mustang GT.

Not trying to by a hypocrite, I drive a WRX and get horrible gas mileage as well, but don't point to rotaries as a beacon on a hill with regards to gas mileage or emissions.

Well... Now your treading into deep waters... I guess you didn't know that Ford owns most of Mazda and well, naturally, if Ford says build this gas guzzler ... Well, Mazda is gonna build .... There you have it...

eh...Although Ford owns Mazda now, there isnt ONE ford developer on the Renesis team (current rotary in RX8). Not to mention Ford didnt have anything to do with rotaries when Mazda put out their first rotary, the Cosmo, in 1967. And the Renesis aint no gas guzzler 😉

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
2006 Silverado was 15 city/19hwy and probably didn't sniff within 15% of those numbers.
The 2007 claims 16/22 for the 5.3L v8. Fueleconomy.gov has NOT revised it upwards. In fact they expect 2008 rating to be 13 city and 18 hwy.

2007 Ridgeline 3.5L 15city/20hwy; 17 combined. More than 10% higher than the Silverado and a smaller drop by changing to the new EPA #s.
Having said that . . . Honda shouldn't brag about the Ridgeline. It's not exactly cutting edge. But it's much better than a Silverado.


2007 6L v8 Corvette 16 city/26hwy but only 19 combined.
2007 s2000 2.2L 18 city/24hwy; 20 combined.
2007 rx8 1.3L 16city 22hwy; 18combined

A little bit of apples and oranges action in this comparison. Technically, you could give Ford partial credit for the crappy rotary. Few would compare the handling of the Vette to an s2000. But paying an extra 300lbs to get another 160hp and more than 150% more torque for a push on the mileage . . . yeah, I think I would take the Vette, too.

The general theme doesn't change though. Honda's foul products are niches. GM's foul products are most of its bread and butter.

corvette z06 gets whacked with GAS GUZZLER tax due to new EPA

Oh please, tell my Silverado it doesn't come withing 15% of 15city/19hwy.

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I remember some guy on Off Topic posting a pic of his z06 getting 29mpg highway.

The EPA means jack sh!t to me. I know how to drive my truck to maximum efficiency. The EPA had to revise it's numbers because of all the jackass drivers who don't know how to ease of the petal, and instead of taking the blame, they go and blame the manufacturers and EPA.

BTW, can you please provide proof for what I've bolded. I have not heard about this at all.

I just checked the revised EPA estimates for the '07 Ridgeline and Silverado and they're both at 15/20. Sounds like you're full of sh!t.