America: Yeah, we've screwed some stuff up

[manowar821]

Because the bastards didn't make any "mistakes", everything that's happened was supposed to.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Who cares? Who hasnt done things that dont end up being the correct corse of action?


Its the idiots that keep harping on the past that are worse than anything.


You must be one of those reparations guys?

How would you feel if you were raped/beaten/robbed repeatedly, told it was for your own good, and then made fun of or told to "get over it" when you complained about it?

"It's just your trust in representative government, your freedoms, and your money that you lost, get the fuck over it you whiny bitch!"

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

This might have been interesting if you'd have given some examples (with support).

Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Fern

I've never denied Clinton's hand. Do you deny Reagen being the primary instigator in removing the rigorous regulations that would have prevented this fiasco from germinating? From planting the culture of greed? You'd be retarded for not accepting that truth. Do you deny Bush 1's involvement?

...and WTF does Obama bowing to the Saudis have anything to do with anything?

oh yeah, NVM, you said "leftists" and went on to assume that a certain polarizing group of people accept some brainwashed belief that you impose on them. smells like a troll...

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

This might have been interesting if you'd have given some examples (with support).

Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Fern

I've never denied Clinton's hand. Do you deny Reagen being the primary instigator in removing the rigorous regulations that would have prevented this fiasco from germinating? From planting the culture of greed? You'd be retarded for not accepting that truth. Do you deny Bush 1's involvement?

...and WTF does Obama bowing to the Saudis have anything to do with anything?

oh yeah, NVM, you said "leftists" and went on to assume that a certain polarizing group of people accept some brainwashed belief that you impose on them. smells like a troll...

Reagan as the guy who "planted" the "culture of greed"? Yeah, greed is a very new phenomenon, I'm sure it didn't exist before Reagan. :roll: Where do you find this drivel??

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

This might have been interesting if you'd have given some examples (with support).

Plus, get back to me when the lefties here can admit the CDS and other financial mistakes were from bills signed by Clinton and pushed by his Treas Secretary (along with some Repubs). Then toss in Barney Frank et al (no probs here etc).

H3ll, they can't even admit Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Did you not watch Chris Dodd and Geithner play 'hot potato' over the whole AIG bonus scandel?

Yeah, luckily it's only a phenomenon we see from the "right" :roll:

Fern

I've never denied Clinton's hand. Do you deny Reagen being the primary instigator in removing the rigorous regulations that would have prevented this fiasco from germinating? From planting the culture of greed? You'd be retarded for not accepting that truth. Do you deny Bush 1's involvement?

...and WTF does Obama bowing to the Saudis have anything to do with anything?

oh yeah, NVM, you said "leftists" and went on to assume that a certain polarizing group of people accept some brainwashed belief that you impose on them. smells like a troll...

Reagan as the guy who "planted" the "culture of greed"? Yeah, greed is a very new phenomenon, I'm sure it didn't exist before Reagan. :roll: Where do you find this drivel??

The actual de-regulation is what I'm talking about, which is what he started. This "drivel" is called facts, and it is the foundation of supply-side economics.

of course this spawns greed. get your head out of your ass and read the content, for once.

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...20080805/ai_n27981257/

a article.

sorry, most of them are indeed kook sources despite the accuracy of the info, I still don't like to post kook sources.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

I've never denied Clinton's hand. Do you deny Reagen being the primary instigator in removing the rigorous regulations that would have prevented this fiasco from germinating? From planting the culture of greed? You'd be retarded for not accepting that truth. Do you deny Bush 1's involvement?

...and WTF does Obama bowing to the Saudis have anything to do with anything?

oh yeah, NVM, you said "leftists" and went on to assume that a certain polarizing group of people accept some brainwashed belief that you impose on them. smells like a troll...

Reagan removed regulations that lead to this problem?

Honestly, I've not heard anything about that. What did Reagan remove?

I've read it was from a bill Clinton signed. Dick Army was the Repub involved (finally remembered his name).

LMK what you think Reagan did.

TIA

Fern

 

[Hacp]

I'll be the first to acknowledge that Obama screwed the economy up.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

I've never denied Clinton's hand. Do you deny Reagen being the primary instigator in removing the rigorous regulations that would have prevented this fiasco from germinating? From planting the culture of greed? You'd be retarded for not accepting that truth. Do you deny Bush 1's involvement?

...and WTF does Obama bowing to the Saudis have anything to do with anything?

oh yeah, NVM, you said "leftists" and went on to assume that a certain polarizing group of people accept some brainwashed belief that you impose on them. smells like a troll...

Reagan removed regulations that lead to this problem?

Honestly, I've not heard anything about that. What did Reagan remove?

I've read it was from a bill Clinton signed. Dick Army was the Repub involved (finally remembered his name).

LMK what you think Reagan did.

TIA

Fern

Without researching the details of Reagan plans, Reagan was a change agent for deregulation in general. His constant rhetoric that government is the problem, that the private sector shoudl not have their hands tied by government regulation, his affiliation with the Milton Friedman type deregulatory approach and such, made deregulation even more of a core belief in the modern Republican party.

The bill you mention was sponsored by three Republicans, and signed by Clinton.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Mani
Don't you know that if you are not 100% supportive of every single thing America has ever done, you're a subversive terrorist who hates America and wants to see it fail?

You're either with us or you're against us! :laugh:

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Bill Clinton couldn't even admit he was having sex with interns after he had been caught either..

Interns?

How many interns do you think he had sex with?

He got caught with only one, who knows how many? When dealing about the truth with Bill it's worse than pulling teeth without Novocaine!

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

Because America has done more good than harm. I believe other nations are more intent on demonizing our mistakes then recognizing our contributions.

Any criticism of America's failures should take into account the results of its successes. That's only fair.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: OCguy
Who cares? Who hasnt done things that dont end up being the correct corse of action?


Its the idiots that keep harping on the past that are worse than anything.


You must be one of those reparations guys?

How would you feel if you were raped/beaten/robbed repeatedly, told it was for your own good, and then made fun of or told to "get over it" when you complained about it?

"It's just your trust in representative government, your freedoms, and your money that you lost, get the fuck over it you whiny bitch!"

The sad thing is that the repeated raping, beating and robbing "for our own good" just keeps happening. The only thing that really changes is which group are the "whiny bitches" and which group is telling us to get over it.

As long as we stay divided into two parties, the party in power can continue to tell us that the beating we're getting really is good for us. The other party just has to wait until enough of us grow weary of the current beating and offer us a new form of punishment.

Neither party seems to be really interested in working together so pick your punishment, choose a side, and rally against the other guys!

 

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

EDIT: Before someone jumps in and says:

"UHATEAMERICA! DEYTOOKRJERBS!"

No, I don't. I just don't think there's anything wrong with owning up to past mistakes.

Because America has done more good than harm. I believe other nations are more intent on demonizing our mistakes then recognizing our contributions.

Any criticism of America's failures should take into account the results of its successes. That's only fair.

Countries around the world are very forgetful.... Sure we kicked Hitler's ass, gave billions to the poor, spread democracy around the world. But in the recent past couple of years we've also tanked the world financial system, caused a global recession, and invaded a sovereign nation for dubious reasons. People tend to remember the bad more than they do the good, and I think that's what we're seeing here.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

it's not just the right that's up in arms.

some - maybe most - Americans are TERRIFIED of history books.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: wwswimming

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Seriously. We HAVE screwed some things up in the past. Recently as well. What's the big problem with coming out and saying,

"Yeah, we've made some mistakes, we're human."

Why is the right up in arms about this?

it's not just the right that's up in arms.

some - maybe most - Americans are TERRIFIED of history books.

*cue youtube of crazy glenn beck fan screaming for books to be burned*