"AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A" source ABT link inside

[at80eighty]

keys should be permitted to back up the thread & intent, imo. clearly its inflammatory enough to merit some response; assuming he has interest to.

that said, at a social level, it's amazing how gpus sit nicely along with religion & country. baffling.

 

[bryanW1995]

The folks over at 3dfx aren't going to be happy once I tell them I've been discovered.

You missed the activiation signal. Back in 2001.

 

[bryanW1995]

I’d love to see the list of names, along with an explanation about how IP addresses were obtained from ATF forums.

What is this "list of IP addresses" that everybody's talking about? Crap, looks like I need to go read the entire thread over at ABT now... see you guys tomorrow...

 

[WelshBloke]

What is this "list of IP addresses" that everybody's talking about? Crap, looks like I need to go read the entire thread over at ABT now... see you guys tomorrow...

Apparently apoppin said that he'd matched up a users ip address with a user name here and on ABT, which would suggest he's either got access to ip address here or he's lying. I'll go with option 2 given everything else.

I suppose some one could go ask him but I'm dubious that you'd get a straight answer.

 

[bryanW1995]

Couldn't he have just looked at somebody's IP address over there (since he's the site admin) and that user has the same userid over there as here?

BTW, I've been pm'ing apoppin over at ABT. I'm not as familiar with the ABT im system, and I accidentally clicked on a group of pm's that we sent back and forth about 18 months ago. He asked me not to post the contents so I won't, but suffice to say that things were just as bad btwn ABT and nvidia 18 months ago as they are today with ABT and AMD. He did send me a link to a thread where the gtx 470 issues were discussed at length, however, and that thread probably does a pretty good job of showing just how bad things were btwn ABT and nvidia at that time. Here's the link:

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21560

The more I look at this crap, the more I think that apoppin isn't crazy at all. At least, he wasn't crazy when he outed Rollo and he wasn't crazy when he outed AEG, so why is he crazy now when he accuses AMD of copying those (somewhat) successful tactics? And the more I think about it, the more I think that NV marketing is being smart about how they now manage relationships on the up-and-up instead of skulking around in the shadows like they used to. AMD marketing has generally looked much more competent to me in recent years, and honestly they don't need to skulk around in the shadows any more, anyway. They don't need to apologize for anything they've launched since 5870, and right now they have by far the best gpu lineup from top to bottom. I'm still not 100% convinced that there is some sort of vast conspiracy out here, but apoppin has been right many times in the past regarding these issues and I'm not willing to dismiss his claims just because his antagonistic posting style has ruffled a few feathers.

 

[WelshBloke]

Couldn't he have just looked at somebody's IP address over there (since he's the site admin) and that user has the same userid over there as here?

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Different userid, he might have recognised the posting style but he specifically mentioned ip addresses.

 

[3DVagabond]

I asked him not to. I told him that I wanted this thread to sink or swim based solely on forum interest in the subject matter.

If the community could not care less about ABT and Apoppin, or talking about it here versus on ABT, then the thread would sink off the front page provided it wasn't kept alive for sake of thread-crapping/personal attacks.

Hence the mod fair-warning on that.

Keysplayr honored his side of the agreement. And the thread stayed alive mostly because were, more often than not, interested in discussing the relevance of the topic material itself.

The other side of the coin is he was let off of the hook to even state his opinion or purpose. The fact that this thread even needed a fair warning before there was a single response tells me it was known it was going to be flame bait.

No longer or shorter than the Chiphell thread. This decision was also made at time-zero when these threads showed up.

The drama in this thread may be elevated because of the OP, but that has nothing to do with the decision on keeping it open (or when to close it).

We don't censor individuals, we censor content. Right now the content on which the premise of both threads are founded is arguably comparable, (unproven unverified claims of viral marketing shenanigans going on by either AMD or Nvidia) and hence both threads have remained open.

It really is no more complicated than that.

So this thread was posted to be able to close the thread about nVidia and claim some sort of fair play? Or, is that just how it's by pure coincidence ended up as?

As others have stated, you follow the links and what you get has absolutely nothing in common except you can reference them both to viral marketing. One is about disciplinary actions taken on a site, a very large well known site, and the other is the ranting of a person who's PO'd he didn't get a review sample and is going to teach AMD a lesson. He also doesn't care who else he hurts or falsely accuses outside of his little circle.

 

[Pantalaimon]

apoppin has been right many times in the past regarding these issues and I'm not willing to dismiss his claims just because his antagonistic posting style has ruffled a few feathers.

I don't care about his posting style, but I wonder about his timing. Like I wondred before, if he was approached 5 years ago, and if he really is so against viral marketing, why did he wait until now to write about it.

I also don't remember that it was him who outed AEG and Rollo back then, but if it really was him, that again makes me wonder about his motives. I mean on one hand he outed AEG, but waited 5 years to out AMD's equivalent? Did he lose his moral stance against viral marketing after the outing of AEG and Rollo, and just now regained it again?

 

[Dribble]

This thread and the Chiphell NVIDIA thread are about equal in their lack of substance. Probably should leave these two open just so there is a place for baseless GPU vendor rants.

Perhaps, but one Appopin has a proven record for outing shills on this forum (Rollo) and has had a bumpy relationship with nvidia too (so clearly not an NV fanboy). The other CH has a mod who has no record as far as we know, and has been discredited even by traditional nvidia haters (charlie).

 

[96Firebird]

Different userid, he might have recognised the posting style but he specifically mentioned ip addresses.

1. Looks up IP address
2. Find out where it is located
3. Looks at locations of posters
4. ??
5. Profit.

 

[Idontcare]

The other side of the coin is he was let off of the hook to even state his opinion or purpose. The fact that this thread even needed a fair warning before there was a single response tells me it was known it was going to be flame bait.

Actually the fair-warning was because we knew a small number of vocal individuals would not be able to get past who the OP was, and instead of debating the topic matter itself the thread would be at high risk of getting derailed by more thread-crapping about Keysplayr than anything else.

That the thread even needed a fair-warning is a sad indication of just how immature a segment of our population is. Then again, so too is the fact that this subforum needs 3 active mods plus 2 on reserve...a number higher than other subforum at ATF.

So this thread was posted to be able to close the thread about nVidia and claim some sort of fair play? Or, is that just how it's by pure coincidence ended up as?

Don't be so cynical. We don't have the time or the desire to play those games.

As others have stated, you follow the links and what you get has absolutely nothing in common except you can reference them both to viral marketing. One is about disciplinary actions taken on a site, a very large well known site, and the other is the ranting of a person who's PO'd he didn't get a review sample and is going to teach AMD a lesson. He also doesn't care who else he hurts or falsely accuses outside of his little circle.

I challenge you to find anything concrete or proof-positive about this claim.

What you will find is a lot of people claiming this claim and not much beyond that.

Apoppin has at least put up names, we found "David Makin" had two seperate accounts here for example. Heck even Rollo outed himself an his unknown (to us mods) secondary account here as FredGamer. Those are concrete results from Apoppin's efforts.

What is actually known about the Chiphell incident versus what have you been told, led to believe, and taken on faith about it? Think about it.

 

[NIGELG]

Actually the fair-warning was because we knew a small number of vocal individuals would not be able to get past who the OP was, and instead of debating the topic matter itself the thread would be at high risk of getting derailed by more thread-crapping about Keysplayr than anything else.

That the thread even needed a fair-warning is a sad indication of just how immature a segment of our population is. Then again, so too is the fact that this subforum needs 3 active mods plus 2 on reserve...a number higher than other subforum at ATF.

Don't be so cynical. We don't have the time or the desire to play those games.

I challenge you to find anything concrete or proof-positive about this claim.

What you will find is a lot of people claiming this claim and not much beyond that.

Apoppin has at least put up names, we found "David Makin" had two seperate accounts here for example. Heck even Rollo outed himself an his unknown (to us mods) secondary account here as FredGamer. Those are concrete results from Apoppin's efforts.

What is actually known about the Chiphell incident versus what have you been told, led to believe, and taken on faith about it? Think about it.

So since you are being quoted as confirming there are AMD viral shills here on this forum I ask you ''Are there known viral shills on this forum?''

 

[dmcowen674]

I don't think computer gaming is dying- I think the forums as a community of enthusiasts who actually cared about each other are.

We used to take up collections for people who lost their jobs or had sick relatives, we gave people parts or gave them deals on parts if they were down on their luck.

Actually this part is true.

I am still here much to the chagrin of many on here now and thanks to some of the very same folks that hate me now otherwise I would be either still rotting or already died in a Georgia prison.

I can't say for certain but I doubt if that situation happened today if that same effort to free me from nefarious Politicians would occur today.

Instead of squashing a Witch Hunt I believe you would hear burn the witch at the stake now.

 

[dmcowen674]

I'm not willing to dismiss his claims just because his antagonistic posting style has ruffled a few feathers.

Hey hey hey, I thought I was the only one with such a hated posting style?

 

[Idontcare]

So since you are being quoted as confirming there are AMD viral shills here on this forum I ask you ''Are there known viral shills on this forum?''

I thoroughly answered this question the last time you asked it.

edit: Correction, I thoroughly answered it the last 3 times you asked about it.

Here

Here

Here

 

[Grooveriding]

Nice to see how the OP of this thread, the thread's contents and those that have sanctioned it have had it blow up in their face leaving them with hollow attempts at justification that are not ringing true.


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[NIGELG]

I thoroughly answered this question the last time you asked it.

edit: Correction, I thoroughly answered it the last 3 times you asked about it.

Here

Here

Here

I just like 'yes' or 'no' answers.

 

[Idontcare]

I just like 'yes' or 'no' answers.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Yes or no answer only please.

 

[96Firebird]

I just like 'yes' or 'no' answers.

Not everyone is as simple as you.

 

[Janooo]

Nice to see how the OP of this thread, the thread's contents and those that have sanctioned it have had it blow up in their face leaving them with hollow attempts at justification that are not ringing true.


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Administrator Idontcare

It's a shame what mods do here.

Mod challenges and baiting are not acceptable.

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13) Baiting moderators will not be tolerated nor will Mod Call Outs. Any action that reasonably can be considered baiting a moderator, or multiple consecutive actions that heavily push the boundaries of any of these guidelines will result in an instant short term vacation. Repeated violation of this rule may result in a permaban.

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[NIGELG]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Yes or no answer only please.

Good one...but I don't have a wife.

 

[NIGELG]

Not everyone is as simple as you.

Not everyone is as idiotic as you.

 

[Creig]

I don't like shills. In fact, apoppin and I were two of the main people involved in getting rid of Rollo. And while Mark and I used to get along quite well, he became more and more erratic over time. He is now very excitable and writes in a very disjointed manner that is hard to follow. He seems to quickly jump to conclusions and quite often posts without any reservation. He definitely has a grudge against ATF, its staff and some of the people here. Me included, for some reason.

To be honest, I expected to see some sort of concrete proof in apoppin's ABT thread that AMD has viral agents here at ATF. Instead, apoppin seems to have strung a few old facts together with a whole lot of hints, sly winks and innuendo and came up with a huge conspiracy theory.

Seems like whole lot of not much to me.

 

[Idontcare]

Good one...but I don't have a wife.

That's the point. The question cannot be answered in a yes or no fashion as asked. There are clarifiers to be made (just as you did above), questions on the intentions and meanings of the words themselves (the word shill means something different to different people, as does the word viral).

Which is why I have been compelled to methodically and thoroughly answer your question to the best of my abilities every time you have asked it.

If I could answer your question in a yes or no fashion then I would.

How could I state unequivocally that there are no "AMD viral shills" here when I have no idea if they are here or not?

And I have stated in no uncertain terms that if there were "AMD viral shills" here in these forums that we knew of then they would be banned already.

You ask me a poorly formed question to which no simply response is possible.

 

[KCfromNC]

Could someone sum up what's going on in say 20 words or less?

nVidia focus group member creates several threads pointing to another site's baseless conspiracy theories about AMD viral marketing. Everyone else sees through them as paranoid ranting / sour grapes.

Don't have a word count, but that's all that's going on here (aside from a member banned due to shilling returning to stick up for the OP).