AMD's real biggest issue, The DX9 Artifacts

[Final8ty]

What a thoughtful contribution tell us more.

Seems to see things in black and white, if your not fully agreeing without question[there is an issue but why ?, debate] then your denying.

If you say that you would not do a thing like sleeping with my girl friend behind my back then your implying that's she is ugly.

I say don't waste your time.

 

[Phynaz]

Dosn't matter if AMD says there is a problem...some people will still deny it...sad but true.

Give it a rest.

 

[badb0y]

And here come the red damage control ^^

Do you always make baseless accusations?

OT: I am running 12.11 beta drivers(Whatever the Never Settle drivers were).
Windows 7 64-bit

My system is in my sig. I don't think my setup is more exotic then other people's.

Also most of the videos I see on the issue seem to be OC problems. Even if the card came OCed from the vendor doesn't mean it was thoroughly tested for stability. I have seen these flickers and artifacts before when I pushed my card too far when I was OCing.

Someone mentioned they were having the problem with Dishonored, I just beat the game like a month ago and I didn't have any flickering issues or artifacts. If there are other games people want me to test please let me know.

I don't own GTA IV or Arma II so right off the bat I wouldn't know how my system would react in those games.

 

[fixbsod]

Ok slightly OT but seeing how this thread has slightly deteriorated into an AMD rant / pro nVidia I thought I'd ask something....

I've noticed some games have this issue where like faarrrrr off items will sometimes shimmer or error, Dishonored gave me this after I tweaked the settings up a bit. The items should be static but they slightly move and give off a weird shimmer. It's almost like pop-in to some extent and usually only farther off / background buildings/ stuff will exhibit it. I'm assuming this is normal but was wondering what to tweak to improve this? GeForce 580 w/latest WHQL.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Ok slightly OT but seeing how this thread has slightly deteriorated into an AMD rant / pro nVidia I thought I'd ask something....

I've noticed some games have this issue where like faarrrrr off items will sometimes shimmer or error, Dishonored gave me this after I tweaked the settings up a bit. The items should be static but they slightly move and give off a weird shimmer. It's almost like pop-in to some extent and usually only farther off / background buildings/ stuff will exhibit it. I'm assuming this is normal but was wondering what to tweak to improve this? GeForce 580 w/latest WHQL.

Unreal engine 3 is notorious for the behavior you are describing. Its the engine nothing on you computer.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

@fixbsod, It sounds like you are describing zfighting. I don't think that is normally caused by drivers. I've never noticed it more or less with amd or nvidia.

What a thoughtful contribution tell us more.

He is right though.

Also most of the videos I see on the issue seem to be OC problems.

They aren't, if you think that is the case then you're just turning a blind eye to the issue. I don't understand why some people refuse to believe this despite AMD acknowledging the problem.

 

[thilanliyan]

But believe us when we say, the 7xxx series drivers for AMD have easily had the most issues.

This is just one person's anecdotal evidence, but I have not had ANY issues with my 7950 which I got in about April last year. I am still using the 12.6 drivers though and tend to play mostly older on-sale games lol, so that may be different to most. For example, I have not played BF3, or Skyrim yet (and probably never will actually). And the newest game I think I have is Sleeping Dogs and/or Max Payne 3, both of which I have not played yet haha (slowly going through my Steam backlog).

 

[Final8ty]

He is right though.



They aren't, if you think that is the case then you're just turning a blind eye to the issue. I don't understand why some people refuse to believe this despite AMD acknowledging the problem.

There are people who are not experiencing the issue, but the people here saying that there is no issue and that it does not exist are ?

And the only thing i see being debated is it a hardware issue or a driver issue, i don't see anyone saying the the issue does not exist, so no he is not right.

But that tends to happen a lot here, try to debated the causes and you gets slapped with your denying the issue exists.

 

[badb0y]

They aren't, if you think that is the case then you're just turning a blind eye to the issue. I don't understand why some people refuse to believe this despite AMD acknowledging the problem.

I was going by the title of the videos that said "7950 OCed."

It's not that I don't believe there is a problem I just think some people are too stubborn to think something they are doing is causing the problem. I would absolutely exhaust all possible fixes before I blamed it on the drivers including RMAing the card.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I was going by the title of the videos that said "7950 OCed."

It's not that I don't believe there is a problem I just think some people are too stubborn to think something they are doing is causing the problem. I would absolutely exhaust all possible fixes before I blamed it on the drivers including RMAing the card.

You do understand that AMD has acknowledged this exact issue? Its a driver issue. Those flashing black artifacts in COD BO, that has nothing to do with an overclock.

Did you even look at the four month old thread on Guru3d that I liked to? It'll answer a ton of your questions.

There are people who are not experiencing the issue, but the people here saying that there is no issue and that it does not exist are ?

Read the post right below you. I linked to a large thread on guru 3d so that people could at least attempt to educate themselves on the subject before commenting.

I also have my doubts that people don't experience the issue. I didn't notice it for a long time either but that was because I was playing games at the time that didn't have any problems. Then again maybe some people don't see it. Not everyone saw the kepler vsync stutter.

This issue isn't uncommon and quite frankly its been going on for too long.

 

[MrX8503]

I'm glad I stumbled on this thread. Was looking to upgrade and it looks like I'll be going nvidia this round.

It's a shame that some fellow enthusiasts can't answer truthfully about these artifacts. I've jumped between red/green over the years and it makes no difference to me just as long as the card performs.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

Even with this issue, I'm still having a smoother experience than I had with Kepler. I had a lot of performance issues with GTX670. Although, my issues didn't seem to be as common as the issues that AMD is having.

Also, alot of people see artifacts at desktop. People refer to it as a desktop flicker. I actually sent in a card for an rma over it and have seen it on two different systems now. I don't think that one is as common as these DX9 artifacts though.

 

[Final8ty]

Read the post right below you.

That's called after the fact.

It's not that I don't believe there is a problem I just think some people are too stubborn to think something they are doing is causing the problem. I would absolutely exhaust all possible fixes before I blamed it on the drivers including RMAing the card.

Which means that he is saying while there is a problem some people may be getting it for other reasons also.

I was getting flickering in Borderlands 2 but only after i was messing with TRIXX and pushed things hard and even after resetting TRIXX, the flickering continued, only after removing TRIXX and reinstalling the driver did the flickering stop.

 

[Dankk]

It's not that I don't believe there is a problem I just think some people are too stubborn to think something they are doing is causing the problem. I would absolutely exhaust all possible fixes before I blamed it on the drivers including RMAing the card.

I have experienced the problem on two different 7870s, on two entirely different PCs. Neither cards were overclocked.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Just wait...even if AMD has confirmed this issue...more people will show up and claim "insufficient data", "it must be your system" or "I don't see it"...just wait ^^

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I was getting flickering in Borderlands 2 but only after i was messing with TRIXX and pushed things hard and even after resetting TRIXX, the flickering continued, only after removing TRIXX and reinstalling the driver did the flickering stop.

Then your issue is unrelated. Do you not agree with Thracks that this is a known issue that needs to be resolved?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Just wait...even if AMD has confirmed this issue...more people will show up and claim "insufficient data", "it must be your system" or "I don't see it"...just wait ^^

Rofl, do you have your account at ABT warmed up? Your posts make me think you may be more active there soon.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Rofl, do you have your account at ABT warmed up? Your posts make me think you may be more active there soon.

Sorry if you don't like facts....but this is not about me.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train.mp3

"I'm going off the rails on a CRAZY TRAIN!!!!"

 

[Lonbjerg]

Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train.mp3

"I'm going off the rails on a CRAZY TRAIN!!!!"

Funny thing...I could add:
And some people will post "red herrings"....trying to muddy the issue.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

The ONLY reason i even mention Thracks, is that he is good at his job and doesn't rely on bullsh*t to defend AMD.

He has been honest and will honestly tell you simply "we made changes to the drivers to fix a certain issue, which ended up causing anther issue that should in no way be related to the driver changes we made, so we have no idea why the flickering occurred with those changes".

Finally an AMD marketing rep that understands their consumer. They should have had someone on the forums years ago.

Quite frankly I think that they should be active on their own forum like Nvidia. It would keep complaints mostly confined to one forum and might help with bug tracking.

Still, actively communicating with the consumer is a huge step in the right direction.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Dosn't matter if AMD says there is a problem...some people will still deny it...sad but true.

Just wait...even if AMD has confirmed this issue...more people will show up and claim "insufficient data", "it must be your system" or "I don't see it"...just wait ^^

Funny thing...I could add:
And some people will post "red herrings"....trying to muddy the issue.

I agree, but why call yourself out like that?

Anyways, I'm done because I actually do enjoy trying to contribute in a constructive manner around the forums and I won't want a vacation.

 

[Final8ty]

Then your issue is unrelated. Do you not agree with Thracks that this is a known issue that needs to be resolved?

Yes i agree with Thracks, i have not said anything to imply otherwise.
Yes my issue is unrelated but if i had just said that i have started getting flickering issues in borderlands2 without the resolve i wonder how long until some thought oh its seems the new drivers are giving the same DX9 issues on some 5 series cards.

 

[BFG10K]

You do understand that AMD has acknowledged this exact issue? Its a driver issue. Those flashing black artifacts in COD BO, that has nothing to do with an overclock.

So just to set the recon straight, are you overclocking anything in your system?

 

[Rikard]

It's a shame that some fellow enthusiasts can't answer truthfully about these artifacts.

Pardon? Is saying that I only get these artifacts when I overclock memory beyond 1500 MHz somehow untruthful? Or is there some other post you think is a lie?