AMD's "great IGP advantage"?

[Vesku]

The point is most computers sold contain an IGP not a discrete graphics card. IGP isn't going to go away, so the more powerful they are the better. This has nothing to do with custom built rigs. Although an IGP solution that works for HTPC means that ultra - low profile builds become possible.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Irse
Going a little off topic but would this chip be good for a nongamer? Think about pairing it with a x2 6400 on a ATX board.

I think it would be a good chip for a non-gamer, but I don't know about pairing a 6400+ with it. Many of the motherboards based on the 780G cannot handle 125w TDP processors reliably.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3279

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
I hope this is kinda sorta related. Anyone see any problems in having a AMD AM2 5000+ X2 at stock speed of 2.6 GHz, with something like a 8600 GT for HTPC use, maybe some gaming? Would Blu Ray or other HD formats be too much? Thanks

Should be smooth as silk. Does your 8600GT have HDMI out?

No, it has the breakout box. I have been reading that some people find that component video cables work just fine for HDTV. Interesting argument over that

I've never used a breakout box, so as long as it will allow the blu-ray's protected content to play on your TV, certainly there will be no issue with framerate/smoothness.

 

[imported_Irse]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: Irse
Going a little off topic but would this chip be good for a nongamer? Think about pairing it with a x2 6400 on a ATX board.

I think it would be a good chip for a non-gamer, but I don't know about pairing a 6400+ with it. Many of the motherboards based on the 780G cannot handle 125w TDP processors reliably.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3279

But is that with the full size ATX board or just the microATX boards?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: bradley
If Intel wanted they could easily crush AMD on the low end. That being said, the E2xxx series isn't even a valiant attempt. Obviously a E7200 for under $150 is getting really close. We're talking about an architecture that relies heavily on cache. I don't care what benches say about a crippled C2D. Under real world general usage there's no comparison to an X2.

Speaking of real world comparisons, I've often been met with confusion for preferring an integrated memory controller and Hypertransport or anything non-FSB. I feel it has lots to do with making AMD systems feel much snappier. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. In the way I often use my computer, yes, this also makes AMD a superior choice to me. Often with the Core Two it feels like you're waiting around to go really fast. In fact, I would love to see useless benches like Superpi be replaced with more real world comparisons like this one.

Intel Q6600 VS AMD 6400+ X2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXJKwdN2h8

Strange, I'm only running an e6300 and it doesn't lag like the Intel system in that video.

 

[demiurge3141]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: bradley
If Intel wanted they could easily crush AMD on the low end. That being said, the E2xxx series isn't even a valiant attempt. Obviously a E7200 for under $150 is getting really close. We're talking about an architecture that relies heavily on cache. I don't care what benches say about a crippled C2D. Under real world general usage there's no comparison to an X2.

Speaking of real world comparisons, I've often been met with confusion for preferring an integrated memory controller and Hypertransport or anything non-FSB. I feel it has lots to do with making AMD systems feel much snappier. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. In the way I often use my computer, yes, this also makes AMD a superior choice to me. Often with the Core Two it feels like you're waiting around to go really fast. In fact, I would love to see useless benches like Superpi be replaced with more real world comparisons like this one.

Intel Q6600 VS AMD 6400+ X2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXJKwdN2h8

Strange, I'm only running an e6300 and it doesn't lag like the Intel system in that video.

me neither, but then again my quad is running at 3.6 and folding like a beast.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: bradley
In fact, I would love to see useless benches like Superpi be replaced with more real world comparisons like this one.

Intel Q6600 VS AMD 6400+ X2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXJKwdN2h8

if that isn't a textbook case of guerilla benchmarking, i don't know what is.

ill take experiments performed under controlled environments instead of some dude with a webcam.

 

[demiurge3141]

Originally posted by: Zap
The ECS 945GC chipset board is a pretty terrible overclocker. I've had a chance to play around with it (friend got in on a Fry's deal) and IMO it is worse than some other 945G and 945GC chipset boards out there (I've tried a couple others). About the only thing you can do with it is to do a BSEL mod.

actually i quite enjoy the ecs boards for pure ghettoness. if you get the newer boards/bios with 1333 support then you bsel and volt mod all your 800 chips for a free 66% oc, not bad for free fry's boards.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
1. Umm, I used a standard 10/100 Ethernet card for years. The NIC on my nForce2 mobo died, so I just grabbed a cheap $15 PCI one - no problems whatsoever. You're not going to use such a low end PC as a server anyway.
2. I don't think someone spending less than $200 on a platform is going to be getting 7.1 speakers mate... get some perspective of the target market. A budget gamer will most likely use headphones or 2.1 speakers, at most cheap 5.1 speakers.
3. Fair enough, my mistake.
4. And you need those during gaming?!

As for Newegg rebates, IIRC you're from Australia, so you're not exactly qualified to comment on how reliable their service is... why don't you leave that to the US people who actually have experience dealing with them?

Let me just ask you viditor, from a gaming perspective, would you rather a more feature rich mobo, or 400% more graphical horsepower? Honestly, it appears you are just clutching at straws, you can complain about the featureset all you'd like, but I take comfort in configuring a PC that would totally dominate the one you suggested in one main facet -gaming.

With such a low budget you have to compromise one way or another - in this case I'm choosing performance over features.

these kinds of discussion get so tiresome. you clearly made up your mind well before this discussion began and are now just trying to justify your own opinion. I'd put an x2 4200+ in an htpc up against an e2180, they are pretty close in gaming performance. amd's igp is so much better that it cancels out the intel benefit, plus as mentioned earlier you actually have an upgrade path if your cpu ends up being inadequate.

 

[demiurge3141]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: harpoon84
1. Umm, I used a standard 10/100 Ethernet card for years. The NIC on my nForce2 mobo died, so I just grabbed a cheap $15 PCI one - no problems whatsoever. You're not going to use such a low end PC as a server anyway.
2. I don't think someone spending less than $200 on a platform is going to be getting 7.1 speakers mate... get some perspective of the target market. A budget gamer will most likely use headphones or 2.1 speakers, at most cheap 5.1 speakers.
3. Fair enough, my mistake.
4. And you need those during gaming?!

As for Newegg rebates, IIRC you're from Australia, so you're not exactly qualified to comment on how reliable their service is... why don't you leave that to the US people who actually have experience dealing with them?

Let me just ask you viditor, from a gaming perspective, would you rather a more feature rich mobo, or 400% more graphical horsepower? Honestly, it appears you are just clutching at straws, you can complain about the featureset all you'd like, but I take comfort in configuring a PC that would totally dominate the one you suggested in one main facet -gaming.

With such a low budget you have to compromise one way or another - in this case I'm choosing performance over features.

these kinds of discussion get so tiresome. you clearly made up your mind well before this discussion began and are now just trying to justify your own opinion. I'd put an x2 4200+ in an htpc up against an e2180, they are pretty close in gaming performance. amd's igp is so much better that it cancels out the intel benefit, plus as mentioned earlier you actually have an upgrade path if your cpu ends up being inadequate.

i think both have upgrade paths.

 

[bradley]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Strange, I'm only running an e6300 and it doesn't lag like the Intel system in that video.

The differences are usually imperceptible until running them head-to-head. I've done something similar on XP. Obviously this is just an example of the type of testing I would like to see, whether on YouTube or not. There's a possibility that he's running into a Vista limitation itself, depending on installed RAM of each system.

For instance, here's another real world example 512MB vs. 1GB on Vista. I've definitely experienced a slowdown on Vista between 1GB and 2GB. The average consumer doesn't realize how much memory it takes to run this OS properly. This video illustrates the need fairly well.

Windows Vista PC: 512MB vs. 1GB Memory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awfX-40OaGA

I believe a similar comparison would prove Readyboost's effectiveness to be more dependant on amount of system RAM. In other words, I probably wouldn't bother with Readyboost unless you have a fast USB drive lying around and less than 2GB RAM installed.

Windows Vista with and without ReadyBoost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHd53do0A3A

 

[Cookie Monster]

The 945 chipset looks pretty bleak when it comes to upgrading. Unless you were referring to the G35 (im not sure when the LGA775 will die since the low end will still be filled with core 2 variants while the high end will slowly be changed to nehalem variants later this year or the next) but i wouldn't even bring the G35 into the equation seeing as it falls short against its competitors in numerous fields.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The 945 chipset looks pretty bleak when it comes to upgrading. Unless you were referring to the G35 (im not sure when the LGA775 will die since the low end will still be filled with core 2 variants while the high end will slowly be changed to nehalem variants later this year or the next) but i wouldn't even bring the G35 into the equation seeing as it falls short against its competitors in numerous fields.

+1

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: bradley

Originally posted by: Fox5

Strange, I'm only running an e6300 and it doesn't lag like the Intel system in that video.

Obviously this is just an example of the type of testing I would like to see, whether on YouTube or not. There's a possibility that he's running into a Vista limitation itself, depending on installed RAM of each system.

Obviously, it was just a bullshit video, from start to fish.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Irse

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: Irse
Going a little off topic but would this chip be good for a nongamer? Think about pairing it with a x2 6400 on a ATX board.

I think it would be a good chip for a non-gamer, but I don't know about pairing a 6400+ with it. Many of the motherboards based on the 780G cannot handle 125w TDP processors reliably.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3279

But is that with the full size ATX board or just the microATX boards?

AFAIK, 780G is only mATX right now.

 

[bradley]

The ECS A780GM-A, GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H, and ASUS M3A-H/HDMI are all full ATX. The Asus appears to be the highest quality board. From the smallish Newegg picture it appears to have a five phase design, with two mosfets per phase, and solid caps populated throughout. Eventually mobo manufacturers will be forced to digital pwms, make more efficient use of power and size, reduce costs and increase reliability. Maybe make all of the talk about compatibility less of an issue. Can't wait for that day to arrive.

 

[bfdd]

Bradley, that's a pretty sketchy video, but either way the 6400 is 3.2ghz right? so 3.2ghz Dual vs 2.4ghz quad in things that don't require multithreading like just booting up an OS? The Intels are higher clock to clock but not by an 800mhz difference.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
these kinds of discussion get so tiresome. you clearly made up your mind well before this discussion began and are now just trying to justify your own opinion. I'd put an x2 4200+ in an htpc up against an e2180, they are pretty close in gaming performance. amd's igp is so much better that it cancels out the intel benefit, plus as mentioned earlier you actually have an upgrade path if your cpu ends up being inadequate.

The board is upgradeable to a 45nm Wolfdale with a BIOS update. Again, I'll remind you a $40 HD3650 is 400% more powerful in terms of gaming performance than 780G. For gaming, I know what I'd prefer. For a HTPC, the 780G would be sufficient, but not for gaming.

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
these kinds of discussion get so tiresome. you clearly made up your mind well before this discussion began and are now just trying to justify your own opinion.

.. said the pot to the kettle.

 

[DeepThought86]

One thing with IGP's is that you can add another graphics card and get 4 monitor support. I use a 690G board (Asus M2A-VM) and am thinking of adding a PCIe card to add support for another 2 monitors. I considered the Intel G33 solutions but they only had 2 DIMM slots vs the 4 in my board (3 populated, with 6GB of mem). But I'm not a gamer, just a multi-monitor freak. If the 780G had been out a month earlier I would have gone for that for sure. If I gamed I'd be an Intel platform