AMD's GPU Q3 2012 marketshare - 14% declines across the board to NVIDIA

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ShadowOfMyself

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Hilarious

Keys drops the usual troll about Physx, whole forum takes the bait, another AMD thread derailed by Nvidia fanboys

Good job
 

NIGELG

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Doom and Gloom! While one waits for this tremendous day of advanced physics for all -- one may enjoy some levels of this now!
That's called settling.It's like settling for being with a ugly girl because one cannot have a pretty one because she doesn't exist yet.I would rather do without.

Give me good stuff when it's ready.If others want to be guinea pigs for half baked,shoddy,questionable looking,resource hogging technology then let them.
 

tviceman

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That's called settling.It's like settling for being with a ugly girl because one cannot have a pretty one because she doesn't exist yet.I would rather do without.

Give me good stuff when it's ready.If others want to be guinea pigs for half baked,shoddy,questionable looking,resource hogging technology then let them.

Turn it off, never have to worry about your frame rate dropping from 99 fps to 65 fps. PROBLEM SOLVED. ALL UR RESORSES R NOT HOGD. Everyone is happy.
 

NIGELG

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Turn it off, never have to worry about your frame rate dropping from 99 fps to 65 fps. PROBLEM SOLVED. ALL UR RESORSES R NOT HOGD. Everyone is happy.
Resource hogging is only part of the problem...the major part being it just looks goddamn ugly,distracting and unrealistic.


But if it was that good GPU pHYSx would appear or feature in many many more games because it can be turned off if one does not like it or own an AMD card.The CPU part is good though because it's not exaggerated and distracting.
 
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MrK6

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That's called settling.It's like settling for being with a ugly girl because one cannot have a pretty one because she doesn't exist yet.I would rather do without.

Give me good stuff when it's ready.If others want to be guinea pigs for half baked,shoddy,questionable looking,resource hogging technology then let them.
I'm of the same mindset, probably why I don't participate in game betas. However what I disagree with is people making things out to be more than they are, either through misplaced excitement or disingenuousness. PhysX is a marketing gimmick like many others. It doesn't change gameplay, it's just flamboyant, unrealistic fluff. It's the same with misuse of bloom or any other rendering technique out there. There are much better physics engines out there (ever play Ghostbusters?) that run on CPU's alone, but there's no money in making an accessible and free physics engine.

Without getting too meta because there's a concept that really applies to our whole civilization: things are picking up. Everything. And as progress moves faster, the range over which people operate becomes greater as those on the edge of progress move further away from those just barely escaping being snuffed from existence. This is further compounded by the fact that our capacity to support those that would otherwise be snuffed out is enlarged by our every increasing efficiency due to progress. However, no business is going to "snuff out" someone that can give them a dollar. That's why the current console era has lasted 7+ years, and the reason things are stagnating. Better graphics doesn't really sell games, neither does better physics. "Feel good," social interactions, word of mouth, and being told to buy it (literally), are what sell games. As gaming has become more popular over the last 20 years, we're seeing marketing take it over and attempt to milk it for every penny it's worth, much like what's been done to movies (how many sequels/series came out this year?).

However, there is hope, just as the digital age, with digital distribution, accessibility, etc. somewhat "saved" music (which is entirely up for debate, but that's a whole different thread), so can it save PC gaming. Look at Kickstarter, look at all the new indie developers and some of the amazing games they've created. Don't think for a second that EA and some of the other fat cats aren't nervous. Even Activision is worriedly watching it's WoW population fall every month. Things are changing, and in many ways for the better.

How does this apply to AMD? Simple - everything is changing, and changing more quickly, and companies must be more adaptable and aggressive than ever. AMD wasn't, and so it's in trouble.
 
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SirPauly

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That's called settling.It's like settling for being with a ugly girl because one cannot have a pretty one because she doesn't exist yet.I would rather do without.

Give me good stuff when it's ready.If others want to be guinea pigs for half baked,shoddy,questionable looking,resource hogging technology then let them.

Hehe, what can ya do?:) Thankfully one can disable it!
 

NIGELG

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Hehe, what can ya do?:) Thankfully one can disable it!
Yeah.The marketing strategy of GPU physX is to make people feel like they don't have something.When you own an AMD card and you see a feature greyed out you might get curious to know what you are missing.

This might be enough to push someone to switch to Nvidia.That's why it's proprietary.Nvidia does not care about having Gpu physX for the masses.They care about selling their cards,about getting users to switch who feel they are missing something.
 
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SirPauly

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Sure they did when they worked with HavokFX to bring GPU Physics originally -- both ATI and nVidia were working with Havok.
 

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I have been enjoying hardware accelrated physics since 2006.

If you were enjoying accelerated physics since 2006 you must have bought a dedicated Ageia physics card. Nvidia purchased Ageia in 2008 and very quickly dropped support for non Nvidia GPU hardware. So you must have had your physx card rendered worthless by Nvidia. That didn't piss you off at all?

Back then people (ATi and nVIDIA fans) screamed that it would die....much more than now.

I don't remember anyone claiming it would die. In fact I remember many thought PhysX could be an amazing feature if done right, myself included. Then Nvidia bought Ageia in 2008 and quickly dropped support for anyone who had purchased a dedicated Ageia PhysX card. That stunt alone pissed off a lot of people. Your £100 dedicated physics card has been rendered useless because Nvidia wanted PhysX locked down for their GPUs only.

6 years later and PhysX is the most used physics API in gaming, ATi failed and AMD go tripped up by Intel getting Havok...yeah...it's dying :whiste:

PhysX might be well used but that is mainly the CPU compliant version. The GPU accelerated version is a very, very rare thing. Don't lump them both into the same category and hail GPU PhysX a success.
 

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This might be enough to push someone to switch to Nvidia.That's why it's proprietary.Nvidia does not care about having Gpu physX for the masses.They care about selling their cards,about getting users to switch who feel they are missing something.

And when nVidia cares about having Tessellation for the masses, you are the first one who is complaining, too. :hmm:
 

NIGELG

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And when nVidia cares about having Tessellation for the masses, you are the first one who is complaining, too. :hmm:
I do not recall complaining about tessellation.Maybe useless Tessellation but not tess in general.
 

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Is that why AMD is doing poorly? People who dont't care about "eye candy" don't need a video card and people who do want the best looking games buy a card from NVIDIA? I prefer having features like cuda and physx. Otherwise you could just play with a $20 card or integrated graphics.
 

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Is that why AMD is doing poorly?

They are doing "poorly" because of their CPU division...the GPU division is actually putting out competitive products...which is what you need to do to get people to buy...and is exactly what the CPU division is NOT doing unfortunately, and hurts more because their CPU division is much larger than the GPU division.
 

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They are doing "poorly" because of their CPU division...the GPU division is actually putting out competitive products...which is what you need to do to get people to buy...and is exactly what the CPU division is NOT doing unfortunately, and hurts more because their CPU division is much larger than the GPU division.

I didn't read his post (I never do) but obviously your repsonse indicates he claimed AMD GPUs are crap because AMD are in financial trouble. Anyone who has a bit of sense knows it is a non sequitor. He has been told this many times but he is a typical fanboy, no brains and refuses to accept facts that don't suit his agenda. No matter how many times you tell a moron he's being a moron he will just not get it. In the end you have wasted your time trying to talk sense to a moron but he's still a moron and you are frustrated.

The fanboy's natrual built in fact deflectors don't allow any information that contradicts their very biased opinion through.

Do what I do as soon as you see Siberian's (or Sontin's) name as the poster, ignore him, scroll down to the next post and pretend he doesn't exist. It would be a full-time job if you decided to respond to every idiot on the internet.

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SirPauly

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They are doing "poorly" because of their CPU division...the GPU division is actually putting out competitive products...which is what you need to do to get people to buy...and is exactly what the CPU division is NOT doing unfortunately, and hurts more because their CPU division is much larger than the GPU division.

The aspect that is troubling to me are the APU's:

Jon Peddie said:
APUs dropped 30% from Q2 and 4.7% in notebooks

AMD said:
to an inventory write-down of approximately $100 million due to lower than anticipated future demand for certain products. The write-down was comprised mainly of first generation A-Series APU products (“Llano”)

Considering how vital the APU may be now and for their future for AMD -- very surprising.

Discrete Desktop GPU's are very competitive - many strengths.
 

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The aspect that is troubling to me are the APU's:





Considering how vital the APU may be now and for their future for AMD -- very surprising.

Discrete Desktop GPU's are very competitive - many strengths.

Absolutely, AMD really dropped the ball on this one. in previous years they had a lot of design wins around their APUs. It seems to be a worrying trend that when AMD make design wins they lose them very quickly. It is almost like they rest on their laurels and stop trying to improve. Same thing happened when AMD CPU's were king, they assumed their superioroty was a gimme and stagnated.

At least that is my perception, which cold be wrong :)
 

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They are doing "poorly" because of their CPU division...the GPU division is actually putting out competitive products...which is what you need to do to get people to buy...and is exactly what the CPU division is NOT doing unfortunately, and hurts more because their CPU division is much larger than the GPU division.

While I do in general agree with you that's not what the title of the thread would suggest. I suspect that yes desktop gpu's are doing ok but they've lost out on laptops in a big way.
 
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Its hard to find a good laptop and especially ultra book with AMD APU in it, its all Intel ULV and some with NV crap entry discrete.

AMD really failed to promote APU, considering its the PERFECT platform for ultrabooks, really.. 17W CPU & good GPU combined? That should not be contestable.. yet they fail hard with next to no design wins.
 

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Do You know that nVidia's ""crap entry discrete" is twice as fast as the "PERFECT platform for ultrabook"?
 

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Its hard to find a good laptop and especially ultra book with AMD APU in it, its all Intel ULV and some with NV crap entry discrete.

AMD really failed to promote APU, considering its the PERFECT platform for ultrabooks, really.. 17W CPU & good GPU combined? That should not be contestable.. yet they fail hard with next to no design wins.

wut? Nvidia's crappiest GPU in ultrabooks is still significantly faster than A10 in any and every game. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6 Those tests are all at the lowest in game settings and at low resolutions. Up the settings and/or resolutions, decreasing CPU dependency, and the gap grows. I'd much rather have the Intel ULV + crap Nvidia option over the A10. Best of both worlds by a substantial amount.
 
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wut? Nvidia's crappiest GPU in ultrabooks is still significantly faster than A10 in any and every game. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6 Those tests are all at the lowest in game settings and at low resolutions. Up the settings and/or resolutions, decreasing CPU dependency, and the gap grows. I'd much rather have the Intel ULV + crap Nvidia option over the A10. Best of both worlds by a substantial amount.

17W TOTAL. You missed the point.

Also, many ultrabooks dont even have discrete gpus, just the really bad intel one that in the ULV cannot even game at all, whilst even the E-450 (slower than trinity APUs) i had could manage ~30 fps at 720p+ in many games i tried.

AMD has one advantage in their APU and couldn't even win designs. That is the problem.
 
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