AMDs 6990M, fastest mobile GPU there is!!?

OCGuy

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"Unlike the desktop 6990, we’re also not talking about a dual-GPU in a single card solution. Instead, the HD 6990M will be a full Barts core, with all 1120 shaders enabled"

It doesnt seem like the card is what you think it is, but will still be a powerful mobile solution.
 
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Nvidia is just waiting for amd to show it's hand then bam just like the 5Xx series crushed amd's cards nvidia will release a faster mobile solution and crush Amd again.
 

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Update: Alienware now has both the GTX 580M SLI and HD 6990M CrossFire configurations available on their web site; at present, the SLI setup costs $700 more than the CrossFire configuration, which makes the 6990 an easy recommendation.
Update on the webite.. Why so much cost difference?

Just check the website; Each 580M costs $600 whereas a 6990M costs $250.
 
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Mopetar

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Is there a reason that Nvidia is charging so much for the 580M or AMD so little for the 6990M, especially if the performance will be about the same?
 

OCGuy

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Is there a reason that Nvidia is charging so much for the 580M or AMD so little for the 6990M, especially if the performance will be about the same?

Probably because of the lack of competition before. If 6990M is now competetive, nV will lower prices.
 

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This is another case by the way, where they both claim, they are the fastest.
Nvidia released first, so their claim was true at the time, and now AMD is releasing this part, and according to the slide shown ,in those games/settings they claim the fastest.

The naming from a dual-gpu desktop card to a single mobile gpu part is fail IMO.
But criticism for all mobile naming is probably the norm.
 

Gikaseixas

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the GTX485M was just a little faster than the 6970M and it cost almost double. NV had competition there. They just charge more for their mobile parts.
The 5870M before that was fast and the 4870M gave NV a run for their money
 

DeathReborn

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Anyone have accurate TDP info on them as it seems a little off from what i've read across the web. 580M ~100W, 6970M ~100W, 6990M ~100-125W
 

RussianSensation

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Is there a reason that Nvidia is charging so much for the 580M or AMD so little for the 6990M, especially if the performance will be about the same?

If you can sell your product for $xx rather than $yy, then sell at the price the market is willing to pay and just rake in all the extra profits. It seems NV customers are much more price inelastic and are willing to pay $350 extra for 5-10% performance increase. :p NV's marketing team should get bonuses every quarter.
 

badb0y

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"On paper and using our previous 6970M and GTX 485M results, it looks like the 6990M should come out on top, but with various driver updates in the past several months we’re not ready to declare an official winner."

Probably.
 

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NV puts a huge price on top teir performance, but if the 6990M is indeed faster, then possibly we will see them lower prices. However, NVIDIA is usually priced higher than the equivalently performing AMD chip.
 

Arkadrel

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Update on the webite.. Why so much cost difference?

Just check the website; Each 580M costs $600 whereas a 6990M costs $250.


o_O

wait a secound... the 6990M is 15-25% FASTER than the 580M... but it costs less than HALF the price of the 580M?

Holycow... thats worse than the desktop parts, nvidia really rakeing in the beans with these chips. Nvidia always charge more lmao.
 

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o_O

wait a secound... the 6990M is 15-25% FASTER than the 580M... but it costs less than HALF the price of the 580M?

Holycow... thats worse than the desktop parts, nvidia really rakeing in the beans with these chips. Nvidia always charge more lmao.

Where did you get that figure from? looks like they might be tied.

AMD really is pumping money into marketing lately.
 

AtenRa

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Since HD6990M is the same chip as HD6870 and GTX580M is the same chip as GTX560Ti, in order to see what card is the fastest we only have to test AMDs HD6870 at HD6990M settings vs GTX560Ti at GTX580M settings, its simple as that.

So i'm asking Ryan Smith to test both GPUs and tell us the outcome ;)

I would prefer if he could test with a Core i3 2120 to simulate the mobile equivalent Core i5-2540M and Core i7 2600/K to simulate Core i7-2820QM.

Edit: I also would like to see three resolutions, 1366x768, 1440x900 and 1920x1080 thx ;)
 
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StrangerGuy

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Will Furmarking the 580M or 6990M make the laptop catch fire? Or trip the power supply? Or fan noises as loud as a jet engine?
 

Madcatatlas

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It doesnt seem like the card is what you think it is, but will still be a powerful mobile solution.
Its exactly the card I think it is. Its the 6990M. You think I would miss the very clear "a full barts core" bit? What are you?


Nvidia is just waiting for amd to show it's hand then bam just like the 5Xx series crushed amd's cards nvidia will release a faster mobile solution and crush Amd again
You are wrong on this one imo. Nvidia did this with the 485m ->580m when AMD released the 6970m.

Nvidia has very likely NO answer for the 6990m. This generations top mobile gpu is very likely AMDs. We will have to await reviews to be sure. Bombastic statements such as yours are really going to look funny in a few months time.

[The 580M was released at the end of June and uses the full gtx 560 TI gpu (384 cores), so performance comes down to shipping clocks.
http://pcper.com/news/Mobile/NVIDIA-...Gaming-Laptops

Crysis 2 DX11 on GeForce GTX 580M SLI
is this some shameless product plug? The article states exactly how a 580m is clocked relative to a 560ti. 37% slower is the number.

Looking at the charts, again linked trough the article, but provided by AMD, there is as much as 25% difference in performance depending on tests. (AMD numbers etc, disclaimers etc, im not selling (nvidia)cards unlike some other posters on this forum)

This is another case by the way, where they both claim, they are the fastest.
Nvidia released first, so their claim was true at the time, and now AMD is releasing this part, and according to the slide shown ,in those games/settings they claim the fastest.

The naming from a dual-gpu desktop card to a single mobile gpu part is fail IMO.
But criticism for all mobile naming is probably the norm.
AMD marketting is doing great imo. Calling this generations mobile gpu king, the same as this generations dualgpu king, is just win and should help sales and thus provide competition across the board.

People like us know that basicly all mobile parts are not what they are called, but variations of the mid-to-high end gpu solutions found in desktop computers, i.e. 68xx series and 460/560 series.

Any argument about the average joe is basicly wasted in a marketting landscape. Look at the outrageous prices Nvidia has charged and is still charging for a slight lead in the single gpu desktop graphics market... I mean, it must feel pretty silly to have someone buy hardware for half the price you did and yet it competes and even beats your more expensive setup.


Generally speaking, mobile gpu naming from Nvidia and AMD is really horrible imo.


[If you can sell your product for $xx rather than $yy, then sell at the price the market is willing to pay and just rake in all the extra profits. It seems NV customers are much more price inelastic and are willing to pay $350 extra for 5-10% performance increase. :p NV's marketing team should get bonuses every quarter.
This is very true. Dont forget there are people and forum posters on hardware forums like these, that help Nvidias marketting by maintaining a false and repeated image of superior products by this firm.

AMD is catching up in marketting. Calling the likely new king of mobile GPUs, the 6990M, is great marketting. They know they have the superior Dual GPU card on the market and are capitalizing on that fact with this mobile card. People will buy into that, especially if they get a better product at a lower cost. As a side effect, it really makes Nvidias greedy nature stand out.


Re: "im not selling (nvidia)cards unlike some other posters on this forum"


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Madcatatlas

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Since HD6990M is the same chip as HD6870 and GTX580M is the same chip as GTX560Ti, in order to see what card is the fastest we only have to test AMDs HD6870 at HD6990M settings vs GTX560Ti at GTX580M settings, its simple as that.

So i'm asking Ryan Smith to test both GPUs and tell us the outcome ;)

I would prefer if he could test with a Core i3 2120 to simulate the mobile equivalent Core i5-2540M and Core i7 2600/K to simulate Core i7-2820QM.

Edit: I also would like to see three resolutions, 1366x768, 1440x900 and 1920x1080 thx ;)

Its not really as simple as that at all.

The best thing would be to get two identical setups from Alienware or some other such laptop producer with the only difference being the GPU or GPUs. This is the only way to do it imo.
 

OCGuy

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Sorry, AMD's naming scheme and marketing has been terrible. Between the 6850/6870 being slower than the 5 series counterparts, and now using a dual-gpu name on a single-gpu mobile card.....awful. Also I believe there was a recent re-badge/re-name that people usually get onto nV about.

Between them and Intel's processor naming right now, how the heck do you know what is going on unless you are a tech nerd like we are???
 

Kenmitch

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Its not really as simple as that at all. The best thing would be to get two identical setups from Alienware or some other such laptop producer with the only difference being the GPU or GPUs. This is the only way to do it imo.

The best thing would be for alienware to do it themselves. Wouldn't need to be much more than 3dmark 11 and maybe a nuetral game or two....Oh wait I doubt they'd get too many people willing to make that $700 jump to the 580's then....Ratz!
 

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Sorry, AMD's naming scheme and marketing has been terrible. Between the 6850/6870 being slower than the 5 series counterparts, and now using a dual-gpu name on a single-gpu mobile card.....awful. Also I believe there was a recent re-badge/re-name that people usually get onto nV about.

Weird but I remember some other company that has been noted for doing this many times in the past....The name is just slipping my tounge currently!

Between them and Intel's processor naming right now, how the heck do you know what is going on unless you are a tech nerd like we are???

You just ask the guy/gal at bestbuy which one is better :)
 

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Sorry, AMD's naming scheme and marketing has been terrible. Between the 6850/6870 being slower than the 5 series counterparts, and now using a dual-gpu name on a single-gpu mobile card.....awful. Also I believe there was a recent re-badge/re-name that people usually get onto nV about.

Between them and Intel's processor naming right now, how the heck do you know what is going on unless you are a tech nerd like we are???
Marketing 101 confuse the customer.
 

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Sorry, AMD's naming scheme and marketing has been terrible. Between the 6850/6870 being slower than the 5 series counterparts, and now using a dual-gpu name on a single-gpu mobile card.....awful. Also I believe there was a recent re-badge/re-name that people usually get onto nV about.

Between them and Intel's processor naming right now, how the heck do you know what is going on unless you are a tech nerd like we are???

It is marketing's job to get you to buy their product, not educate you. *As long as they aren't lying, purposely skewing the comparisons, or misrepresenting theirs or the competitor's product, no fowl.



*All of which is actually lying. Just some people use a far to narrow definition of lying.
 

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